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Pediatric Point-of-Care Ultrasound: Soft Tissue

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<p begin="00:00:01.420" end="00:00:05.590">- Hello, and welcome to this<br />webinar by Fujifilm Sonosite.</p>
<p begin="00:00:05.590" end="00:00:07.050">My name is Stephanie Doniger,</p>
<p begin="00:00:07.050" end="00:00:10.360">and I'm a pediatric<br />emergency medicine physician.</p>
<p begin="00:00:10.360" end="00:00:11.960">I'll be speaking with you today</p>
<p begin="00:00:11.960" end="00:00:15.030">about pediatric point-of-care ultrasound,</p>
<p begin="00:00:15.030" end="00:00:17.920">and the use for soft tissue applications.</p>
<p begin="00:00:17.920" end="00:00:20.460">This is actually one of the<br />most common applications</p>
<p begin="00:00:20.460" end="00:00:22.743">that we use in the pediatric population.</p>
<p begin="00:00:24.790" end="00:00:26.850">Our objectives for this webinar,</p>
<p begin="00:00:26.850" end="00:00:29.080">I'll give you a brief overview,</p>
<p begin="00:00:29.080" end="00:00:32.200">and discuss the applications<br />for soft tissue.</p>
<p begin="00:00:32.200" end="00:00:34.190">We'll go through case presentations</p>
<p begin="00:00:34.190" end="00:00:36.233">for each of these applications.</p>
<p begin="00:00:37.310" end="00:00:40.310">I'll describe the techniques<br />for each of these applications,</p>
<p begin="00:00:40.310" end="00:00:42.750">and within each application,</p>
<p begin="00:00:42.750" end="00:00:44.893">the limitations and scanning tips.</p>
<p begin="00:00:47.260" end="00:00:49.920">So we often have pediatric<br />patients coming in</p>
<p begin="00:00:49.920" end="00:00:52.560">with cellulitis and abscesses.</p>
<p begin="00:00:52.560" end="00:00:54.380">It's often difficult to distinguish</p>
<p begin="00:00:54.380" end="00:00:57.050">whether it's just cellulitis or abscess,</p>
<p begin="00:00:57.050" end="00:00:59.390">which ultrasound can help us for that.</p>
<p begin="00:00:59.390" end="00:01:01.540">But also, foreign bodies.</p>
<p begin="00:01:01.540" end="00:01:04.240">So foreign bodies can be<br />particularly challenging,</p>
<p begin="00:01:04.240" end="00:01:06.040">and ultrasound can help us determine</p>
<p begin="00:01:06.040" end="00:01:08.120">whether a foreign body is present.</p>
<p begin="00:01:08.120" end="00:01:10.160">And if there is, it can actually help us</p>
<p begin="00:01:10.160" end="00:01:12.893">prior to incision and drainage.</p>
<p begin="00:01:14.620" end="00:01:16.300">For imaging of soft tissue,</p>
<p begin="00:01:16.300" end="00:01:20.520">it's preferable to use a linear<br />high frequency transducer.</p>
<p begin="00:01:20.520" end="00:01:22.980">And this is because the<br />majority of the structures</p>
<p begin="00:01:22.980" end="00:01:25.040">are very superficial in nature,</p>
<p begin="00:01:25.040" end="00:01:28.300">especially in pediatric patients.</p>
<p begin="00:01:28.300" end="00:01:31.750">Now here, you can see a<br />variety of transducers</p>
<p begin="00:01:31.750" end="00:01:33.680">that are high frequency.</p>
<p begin="00:01:33.680" end="00:01:36.860">The one in the front is the<br />hockey stick transducer,</p>
<p begin="00:01:36.860" end="00:01:39.010">and that is actually a higher frequency</p>
<p begin="00:01:39.010" end="00:01:40.170">which can be utilized,</p>
<p begin="00:01:40.170" end="00:01:42.380">but generally, all of<br />these can be utilized</p>
<p begin="00:01:42.380" end="00:01:44.350">for these applications.</p>
<p begin="00:01:44.350" end="00:01:46.740">Now, it is important<br />in pediatric patients,</p>
<p begin="00:01:46.740" end="00:01:48.660">and with superficial structures</p>
<p begin="00:01:48.660" end="00:01:51.933">to adjust the depth accordingly,<br />and to use adjuncts.</p>
<p begin="00:01:53.360" end="00:01:55.300">Here's an example of depth.</p>
<p begin="00:01:55.300" end="00:01:58.110">So now, here's a patient<br />with a chin abscess,</p>
<p begin="00:01:58.110" end="00:02:01.620">and you can see here on top,<br />that here is the abscess,</p>
<p begin="00:02:01.620" end="00:02:04.140">but we have all of this wasted space.</p>
<p begin="00:02:04.140" end="00:02:06.240">Now, when you have the<br />structure way up here</p>
<p begin="00:02:06.240" end="00:02:08.120">and you don't adjust<br />the depth accordingly,</p>
<p begin="00:02:08.120" end="00:02:12.120">it's very difficult to see<br />the details of that abscess.</p>
<p begin="00:02:12.120" end="00:02:15.130">Now, when we actually decrease<br />the depth on the right,</p>
<p begin="00:02:15.130" end="00:02:18.170">now you can see that<br />there's much more detail,</p>
<p begin="00:02:18.170" end="00:02:20.620">and you can see the extent of that abscess</p>
<p begin="00:02:20.620" end="00:02:23.097">much better, with again, better detail.</p>
<p begin="00:02:25.530" end="00:02:26.960">We can use adjuncts,</p>
<p begin="00:02:26.960" end="00:02:29.970">especially with the<br />superficial structures,</p>
<p begin="00:02:29.970" end="00:02:31.460">to help the imaging.</p>
<p begin="00:02:31.460" end="00:02:32.550">Now, if there's a patient</p>
<p begin="00:02:32.550" end="00:02:35.620">who has either an abscess or<br />a foreign body in the hand,</p>
<p begin="00:02:35.620" end="00:02:38.290">a water bath is actually quite helpful.</p>
<p begin="00:02:38.290" end="00:02:40.280">This can be used in the feet as well,</p>
<p begin="00:02:40.280" end="00:02:43.840">but it's technically quite<br />limited and difficult.</p>
<p begin="00:02:43.840" end="00:02:45.460">Now, note that you don't actually</p>
<p begin="00:02:45.460" end="00:02:48.550">have to touch the probe<br />to the patient's hand,</p>
<p begin="00:02:48.550" end="00:02:51.190">which actually helps with<br />pain control as well,</p>
<p begin="00:02:51.190" end="00:02:52.510">since you don't have to directly</p>
<p begin="00:02:52.510" end="00:02:55.330">touch the region of interest.</p>
<p begin="00:02:55.330" end="00:02:59.250">Alternatives to help you image<br />these superficial structures</p>
<p begin="00:02:59.250" end="00:03:01.210">are standoff pads.</p>
<p begin="00:03:01.210" end="00:03:03.780">Now, there are commercially<br />available standoff pads</p>
<p begin="00:03:03.780" end="00:03:06.760">that you can see here,<br />that are rather costly,</p>
<p begin="00:03:06.760" end="00:03:09.490">but we can actually<br />make our own very easily</p>
<p begin="00:03:09.490" end="00:03:12.330">with a saline or tap water-filled glove.</p>
<p begin="00:03:12.330" end="00:03:14.490">Just make sure that you actually put gel</p>
<p begin="00:03:14.490" end="00:03:16.760">in-between the probe and the glove,</p>
<p begin="00:03:16.760" end="00:03:20.750">and then also between the<br />glove and the patient's hand</p>
<p begin="00:03:20.750" end="00:03:23.000">to improve imaging.</p>
<p begin="00:03:23.000" end="00:03:25.610">The reason why these<br />adjuncts are important</p>
<p begin="00:03:25.610" end="00:03:28.490">is that we want to actually</p>
<p begin="00:03:28.490" end="00:03:31.350">image at the focal point.</p>
<p begin="00:03:31.350" end="00:03:34.180">So when we increase that depth</p>
<p begin="00:03:34.180" end="00:03:38.090">between the transducer and<br />the structure of interest,</p>
<p begin="00:03:38.090" end="00:03:39.180">our structure of interest</p>
<p begin="00:03:39.180" end="00:03:41.290">will now actually be in the focal zone,</p>
<p begin="00:03:41.290" end="00:03:44.733">and we'll have better<br />imaging of that structure.</p>
<p begin="00:03:45.810" end="00:03:47.410">This is what it looks like.</p>
<p begin="00:03:47.410" end="00:03:49.260">It's important to be familiar</p>
<p begin="00:03:49.260" end="00:03:52.090">with the structures that<br />you'll see on ultrasound.</p>
<p begin="00:03:52.090" end="00:03:54.280">Now, it's not as important<br />to tell the difference</p>
<p begin="00:03:54.280" end="00:03:56.420">between all of the different layers,</p>
<p begin="00:03:56.420" end="00:03:59.560">but it is important to recognize<br />that this dark, on top,</p>
<p begin="00:03:59.560" end="00:04:02.800">this is the fluid, this is<br />the in-between the probe</p>
<p begin="00:04:02.800" end="00:04:04.420">and actually the skin itself.</p>
<p begin="00:04:04.420" end="00:04:07.320">This hyperechoic line is the epidermis.</p>
<p begin="00:04:07.320" end="00:04:10.560">We can see hypodermis,<br />and we can see muscle.</p>
<p begin="00:04:10.560" end="00:04:12.370">And bone will appear hyperechoic</p>
<p begin="00:04:12.370" end="00:04:15.800">of the anterior cortex and<br />have posterior shadowing.</p>
<p begin="00:04:15.800" end="00:04:16.870">And this is what it looks like</p>
<p begin="00:04:16.870" end="00:04:18.770">side by side with a water bath.</p>
<p begin="00:04:18.770" end="00:04:21.393">And we have a patient's hand here.</p>
<p begin="00:04:21.393" end="00:04:25.010">Now, you can see, prior to the water bath,</p>
<p begin="00:04:25.010" end="00:04:27.010">you can barely see this<br />little structure here.</p>
<p begin="00:04:27.010" end="00:04:28.730">You can kind of see a line.</p>
<p begin="00:04:28.730" end="00:04:30.760">It's quite difficult to image.</p>
<p begin="00:04:30.760" end="00:04:33.050">I have put a fair amount of gel</p>
<p begin="00:04:33.050" end="00:04:34.640">in-between the probe and the skin</p>
<p begin="00:04:34.640" end="00:04:38.230">in attempts to image this<br />structure appropriately.</p>
<p begin="00:04:38.230" end="00:04:40.210">However, what we can see here,</p>
<p begin="00:04:40.210" end="00:04:42.700">is that once we have the<br />hand in the water bath,</p>
<p begin="00:04:42.700" end="00:04:44.670">here's the water of the water bath,</p>
<p begin="00:04:44.670" end="00:04:47.160">you can see this foreign body very easily,</p>
<p begin="00:04:47.160" end="00:04:48.133">and you can see the detail</p>
<p begin="00:04:48.133" end="00:04:52.060">and the extension into the<br />subcutaneous layer much better.</p>
<p begin="00:04:52.060" end="00:04:53.570">So you can have a lot better detail</p>
<p begin="00:04:53.570" end="00:04:55.683">with the use of a water bath and a hand.</p>
<p begin="00:04:57.840" end="00:05:01.510">So when we're dealing<br />with sterile procedures,</p>
<p begin="00:05:01.510" end="00:05:04.070">this is the case for<br />any sterile procedures,</p>
<p begin="00:05:04.070" end="00:05:07.530">it's important to prepare the<br />probe in a sterile fashion.</p>
<p begin="00:05:07.530" end="00:05:09.600">Now, you also have to remember</p>
<p begin="00:05:09.600" end="00:05:12.400">that in order to create<br />an image on the screen,</p>
<p begin="00:05:12.400" end="00:05:15.830">the ultrasound probe<br />needs to have gel on top.</p>
<p begin="00:05:15.830" end="00:05:19.370">So we can start with our regular gel.</p>
<p begin="00:05:19.370" end="00:05:22.470">That comes in the bottle<br />that we're all used to.</p>
<p begin="00:05:22.470" end="00:05:24.870">But then, you actually<br />don't wanna put that</p>
<p begin="00:05:24.870" end="00:05:28.780">onto a sterile field,<br />because it is not sterile.</p>
<p begin="00:05:28.780" end="00:05:31.610">You'll have to now cover<br />it with a sterile sheath.</p>
<p begin="00:05:31.610" end="00:05:34.460">There are commercially<br />available probe covers</p>
<p begin="00:05:34.460" end="00:05:37.350">that have a kit that have<br />everything you need inside.</p>
<p begin="00:05:37.350" end="00:05:41.110">It has a cover that goes<br />over the transducer itself,</p>
<p begin="00:05:41.110" end="00:05:43.990">and extends over the cord, which is ideal.</p>
<p begin="00:05:43.990" end="00:05:47.040">Therefore, this will not<br />contaminate your sterile field.</p>
<p begin="00:05:47.040" end="00:05:48.420">It also has rubber bands,</p>
<p begin="00:05:48.420" end="00:05:50.870">and sterile lubricant to put on top.</p>
<p begin="00:05:50.870" end="00:05:52.320">Now, if you don't have the luxury</p>
<p begin="00:05:52.320" end="00:05:54.650">of having these probe covers,</p>
<p begin="00:05:54.650" end="00:05:58.140">you can actually put the probe<br />inside of a sterile glove,</p>
<p begin="00:05:58.140" end="00:06:00.730">but be careful, because<br />this area of the probe</p>
<p begin="00:06:00.730" end="00:06:04.270">is not covered, and that can<br />contaminate your sterile field.</p>
<p begin="00:06:04.270" end="00:06:05.780">Now, once we've put the sheath on top,</p>
<p begin="00:06:05.780" end="00:06:08.130">we need another layer of gel,</p>
<p begin="00:06:08.130" end="00:06:11.010">but we need to use sterile gel.</p>
<p begin="00:06:11.010" end="00:06:14.120">Now, you can use those<br />sterile lubricant packets.</p>
<p begin="00:06:14.120" end="00:06:17.380">Those do come within the probe cover kit.</p>
<p begin="00:06:17.380" end="00:06:19.340">But also, you can use<br />the traditional packets</p>
<p begin="00:06:19.340" end="00:06:21.290">that we use to perform rectal exams</p>
<p begin="00:06:21.290" end="00:06:24.653">which we're not doing as<br />many in pediatric patients.</p>
<p begin="00:06:25.910" end="00:06:28.290">So now onto the actual applications</p>
<p begin="00:06:28.290" end="00:06:30.630">of soft tissue ultrasound.</p>
<p begin="00:06:30.630" end="00:06:32.670">This is actually quite common.</p>
<p begin="00:06:32.670" end="00:06:35.360">We have an 18-month-old female coming in</p>
<p begin="00:06:35.360" end="00:06:39.060">with what mom reports as a<br />spider bite to her left buttock.</p>
<p begin="00:06:39.060" end="00:06:43.440">It has become progressively<br />larger, more painful,</p>
<p begin="00:06:43.440" end="00:06:45.590">and the child now has a fever.</p>
<p begin="00:06:45.590" end="00:06:47.120">Examination is very difficult,</p>
<p begin="00:06:47.120" end="00:06:49.640">as it often is with children this age,</p>
<p begin="00:06:49.640" end="00:06:51.520">but what you can tell<br />is that there's a region</p>
<p begin="00:06:51.520" end="00:06:54.610">of about four by four<br />centimeters of erythema,</p>
<p begin="00:06:54.610" end="00:06:57.017">there's some induration,<br />and central papule.</p>
<p begin="00:06:58.730" end="00:07:01.790">So we can probably tell<br />that there's an abscess</p>
<p begin="00:07:01.790" end="00:07:03.270">based on that exam.</p>
<p begin="00:07:03.270" end="00:07:06.360">We're probably pretty suspicious<br />that there's an abscess,</p>
<p begin="00:07:06.360" end="00:07:09.250">but oftentimes, what<br />happens is we're not sure</p>
<p begin="00:07:09.250" end="00:07:12.100">if we actually can perform an incision</p>
<p begin="00:07:12.100" end="00:07:13.830">and drainage at that time,</p>
<p begin="00:07:13.830" end="00:07:16.140">whether that abscess is ready</p>
<p begin="00:07:16.140" end="00:07:18.050">to have an incision and drainage.</p>
<p begin="00:07:18.050" end="00:07:19.730">Now, the most frustrating thing,</p>
<p begin="00:07:19.730" end="00:07:22.570">and the most resource-costly thing</p>
<p begin="00:07:22.570" end="00:07:25.220">is to actually perform<br />an incision and drainage</p>
<p begin="00:07:25.220" end="00:07:27.450">when there is no abscess present.</p>
<p begin="00:07:27.450" end="00:07:31.460">So particularly in this age<br />group, in an 18-month-old,</p>
<p begin="00:07:31.460" end="00:07:34.220">you would have to actually<br />have the patient sedated</p>
<p begin="00:07:34.220" end="00:07:36.490">in order to perform the<br />incision and drainage.</p>
<p begin="00:07:36.490" end="00:07:38.410">So ultrasound can help us identify</p>
<p begin="00:07:38.410" end="00:07:40.840">whether an abscess is present.</p>
<p begin="00:07:40.840" end="00:07:42.270">So we can see here.</p>
<p begin="00:07:42.270" end="00:07:45.390">We immediately see this<br />structure in the center.</p>
<p begin="00:07:45.390" end="00:07:49.470">That is anechoic, so that<br />represents some fluid,</p>
<p begin="00:07:49.470" end="00:07:53.570">but it's actually not as<br />large as we were expecting.</p>
<p begin="00:07:53.570" end="00:07:55.870">So that is a very small abscess</p>
<p begin="00:07:55.870" end="00:07:57.850">with some surrounding cellulitis</p>
<p begin="00:07:57.850" end="00:08:00.410">that actually I would not<br />perform an incision and drainage</p>
<p begin="00:08:00.410" end="00:08:01.393">at that point.</p>
<p begin="00:08:02.620" end="00:08:05.380">So cellulitis, we all are very familiar</p>
<p begin="00:08:05.380" end="00:08:07.110">with diagnosing cellulitis.</p>
<p begin="00:08:07.110" end="00:08:09.350">It's a clinical diagnosis.</p>
<p begin="00:08:09.350" end="00:08:13.000">You don't actually need<br />ultrasound to diagnose cellulitis.</p>
<p begin="00:08:13.000" end="00:08:16.380">But ultrasound is needed<br />when you're not sure</p>
<p begin="00:08:16.380" end="00:08:18.563">whether there's an abscess present or not.</p>
<p begin="00:08:20.380" end="00:08:22.810">The technique, we're<br />going to use the linear</p>
<p begin="00:08:22.810" end="00:08:24.450">high frequency transducer,</p>
<p begin="00:08:24.450" end="00:08:27.810">as we do with all of these<br />soft tissue applications.</p>
<p begin="00:08:27.810" end="00:08:29.130">What I usually recommend is</p>
<p begin="00:08:29.130" end="00:08:33.400">starting at the region that's<br />unaffected of normal skin,</p>
<p begin="00:08:33.400" end="00:08:35.350">orienting to the normal skin,</p>
<p begin="00:08:35.350" end="00:08:39.410">and then scanning over the<br />entire affected region.</p>
<p begin="00:08:39.410" end="00:08:41.390">Then once you've performed this scan,</p>
<p begin="00:08:41.390" end="00:08:44.450">you're going to rotate<br />your probe 90 degrees,</p>
<p begin="00:08:44.450" end="00:08:46.490">and scan in the other plane again,</p>
<p begin="00:08:46.490" end="00:08:49.360">beginning where there's<br />an unaffected region,</p>
<p begin="00:08:49.360" end="00:08:52.100">scanning over the affected region.</p>
<p begin="00:08:52.100" end="00:08:54.630">Now, if there's a region in the center</p>
<p begin="00:08:54.630" end="00:08:57.830">that's a papule, or is<br />particularly indurated,</p>
<p begin="00:08:57.830" end="00:08:59.870">I tend to focus on that area,</p>
<p begin="00:08:59.870" end="00:09:02.010">really looking to see<br />if there's an abscess</p>
<p begin="00:09:02.010" end="00:09:03.183">that's present there.</p>
<p begin="00:09:04.530" end="00:09:07.690">Now, what we're see on<br />ultrasound, what I can show you,</p>
<p begin="00:09:07.690" end="00:09:10.360">on this side, with normal skin anatomy,</p>
<p begin="00:09:10.360" end="00:09:12.410">it's not important, as I mentioned before,</p>
<p begin="00:09:12.410" end="00:09:13.770">to know the different layers.</p>
<p begin="00:09:13.770" end="00:09:16.910">It's interesting to see,<br />but it's not important</p>
<p begin="00:09:16.910" end="00:09:19.560">other than to know that<br />normal skin anatomy</p>
<p begin="00:09:19.560" end="00:09:21.620">has nice, clean layers.</p>
<p begin="00:09:21.620" end="00:09:24.430">Now, this is in contrast to cobblestoning,</p>
<p begin="00:09:24.430" end="00:09:28.510">where you see here, this<br />does not have clean lines,</p>
<p begin="00:09:28.510" end="00:09:31.850">you have globules, and you have edema</p>
<p begin="00:09:31.850" end="00:09:33.850">surrounding those globules.</p>
<p begin="00:09:33.850" end="00:09:36.370">It's referred to as cobblestoning,</p>
<p begin="00:09:36.370" end="00:09:39.480">which you can see here below,<br />these are cobblestones.</p>
<p begin="00:09:39.480" end="00:09:42.563">This is pathognomonic for cellulitis.</p>
<p begin="00:09:44.710" end="00:09:47.510">Now, early on, you may not see</p>
<p begin="00:09:47.510" end="00:09:49.500">the very apparently cobblestone</p>
<p begin="00:09:49.500" end="00:09:52.040">that we saw in the last example.</p>
<p begin="00:09:52.040" end="00:09:56.120">Early on, you can see, this<br />area's just quite hazy,</p>
<p begin="00:09:56.120" end="00:10:00.120">and you can see stranding, vertical lines.</p>
<p begin="00:10:00.120" end="00:10:02.730">These are called hypoechoic stranding,</p>
<p begin="00:10:02.730" end="00:10:06.330">and that is an early sign of cellulitis.</p>
<p begin="00:10:06.330" end="00:10:08.740">Now, as we progress through cellulitis,</p>
<p begin="00:10:08.740" end="00:10:11.250">you can see the development<br />of the globules,</p>
<p begin="00:10:11.250" end="00:10:15.870">or those cobblestones,<br />and surrounding edema.</p>
<p begin="00:10:15.870" end="00:10:19.720">Now, this anechoic fluid that<br />surrounds the cobblestones</p>
<p begin="00:10:19.720" end="00:10:20.940">is not an abscess,</p>
<p begin="00:10:20.940" end="00:10:24.023">and that can commonly be<br />confused for an abscess.</p>
<p begin="00:10:26.560" end="00:10:28.000">As cellulitis progresses,</p>
<p begin="00:10:28.000" end="00:10:29.970">you can see there's much more fluid,</p>
<p begin="00:10:29.970" end="00:10:32.053">and it's much more apparent here.</p>
<p begin="00:10:34.010" end="00:10:37.190">Now, it's important,<br />especially if we're not sure</p>
<p begin="00:10:37.190" end="00:10:40.780">whether our findings on<br />ultrasound are normal or abnormal.</p>
<p begin="00:10:40.780" end="00:10:43.720">It's important to compare<br />to the unaffected side.</p>
<p begin="00:10:43.720" end="00:10:47.210">So we luckily have two arms, two legs,</p>
<p begin="00:10:47.210" end="00:10:50.270">we can compare the affected<br />and the unaffected side.</p>
<p begin="00:10:50.270" end="00:10:52.900">In this example, this is<br />a side-by-side comparison</p>
<p begin="00:10:52.900" end="00:10:53.840">of a right calf.</p>
<p begin="00:10:53.840" end="00:10:57.060">This is normal, we can see<br />those nice clean lines,</p>
<p begin="00:10:57.060" end="00:10:59.430">and this is the left<br />calf that has cellulitis,</p>
<p begin="00:10:59.430" end="00:11:01.130">you can see the cobblestoning.</p>
<p begin="00:11:01.130" end="00:11:03.570">There's disruption of that architecture,</p>
<p begin="00:11:03.570" end="00:11:06.720">and it's also hyperechoic,<br />or bright white,</p>
<p begin="00:11:06.720" end="00:11:09.483">when compared with the<br />unaffected right side.</p>
<p begin="00:11:10.860" end="00:11:13.640">Now, this may not happen very often,</p>
<p begin="00:11:13.640" end="00:11:15.560">but it's important to recognize</p>
<p begin="00:11:15.560" end="00:11:19.130">that you may have a patient<br />with necrotizing fasciitis.</p>
<p begin="00:11:19.130" end="00:11:23.620">That is not the typical<br />pattern of cobblestoning,</p>
<p begin="00:11:23.620" end="00:11:25.370">but what you can see here</p>
<p begin="00:11:25.370" end="00:11:28.400">are very dirty, scattered shadows,</p>
<p begin="00:11:28.400" end="00:11:32.190">and that's air within<br />the subcutaneous tissues.</p>
<p begin="00:11:32.190" end="00:11:34.380">This is obviously a very time-sensitive</p>
<p begin="00:11:34.380" end="00:11:36.220">and dangerous diagnosis,</p>
<p begin="00:11:36.220" end="00:11:39.140">but if you see this on ultrasound,</p>
<p begin="00:11:39.140" end="00:11:41.353">then you need to take<br />action appropriately.</p>
<p begin="00:11:44.580" end="00:11:46.210">Now, as a I mentioned before,</p>
<p begin="00:11:46.210" end="00:11:49.850">it's often difficult to distinguish<br />cellulitis from abscess.</p>
<p begin="00:11:49.850" end="00:11:51.860">Ultrasound can help us with that,</p>
<p begin="00:11:51.860" end="00:11:54.450">but also, it has treatment implications.</p>
<p begin="00:11:54.450" end="00:11:57.220">So if we're to perform<br />an incision and drainage,</p>
<p begin="00:11:57.220" end="00:12:00.560">we can identify surrounding<br />vascular structures,</p>
<p begin="00:12:00.560" end="00:12:02.510">and neurovascular bundles,</p>
<p begin="00:12:02.510" end="00:12:05.173">to avoid those for incision and drainage.</p>
<p begin="00:12:07.220" end="00:12:09.420">The technique, as as I mentioned before,</p>
<p begin="00:12:09.420" end="00:12:12.220">it's the same for an abscess<br />as it is for cellulitis,</p>
<p begin="00:12:12.220" end="00:12:13.840">because really, we're looking to see</p>
<p begin="00:12:13.840" end="00:12:16.080">if there's a presence of abscess.</p>
<p begin="00:12:16.080" end="00:12:18.950">We're going to start in<br />the area that's unaffected.</p>
<p begin="00:12:18.950" end="00:12:21.350">We'll scan over the area, spend some time</p>
<p begin="00:12:21.350" end="00:12:23.480">over that area of greatest fluctuance,</p>
<p begin="00:12:23.480" end="00:12:25.720">and scan in two planes.</p>
<p begin="00:12:25.720" end="00:12:27.910">Now, once you find an abscess,</p>
<p begin="00:12:27.910" end="00:12:31.920">it's important to measure not<br />only the size, but the depth,</p>
<p begin="00:12:31.920" end="00:12:34.520">if you are to perform the<br />incision and drainage.</p>
<p begin="00:12:34.520" end="00:12:36.500">And as I mentioned, it's<br />important to identify</p>
<p begin="00:12:36.500" end="00:12:39.940">surrounding neurovascular<br />structures in order to avoid those</p>
<p begin="00:12:39.940" end="00:12:43.400">if you are to perform an<br />incision and drainage.</p>
<p begin="00:12:43.400" end="00:12:46.100">Now, what do abscesses<br />look like on ultrasound?</p>
<p begin="00:12:46.100" end="00:12:48.750">They can look like a<br />lot of different things.</p>
<p begin="00:12:48.750" end="00:12:51.880">They're not always<br />anechoic or perfectly dark.</p>
<p begin="00:12:51.880" end="00:12:55.120">They may be anechoic,<br />they may be hypoechoic,</p>
<p begin="00:12:55.120" end="00:12:57.330">there may be internal debris,</p>
<p begin="00:12:57.330" end="00:13:00.950">but because of fluid<br />inside of those abscesses,</p>
<p begin="00:13:00.950" end="00:13:03.760">there may be posterior<br />acoustic enhancement.</p>
<p begin="00:13:03.760" end="00:13:06.860">Now, in order to identify abscesses,</p>
<p begin="00:13:06.860" end="00:13:09.640">especially if they happen to be isoechoic</p>
<p begin="00:13:09.640" end="00:13:11.670">with the surrounding tissue,</p>
<p begin="00:13:11.670" end="00:13:13.460">oftentimes, you can use compression</p>
<p begin="00:13:13.460" end="00:13:16.660">to see if the pus moves,<br />or you can use doppler.</p>
<p begin="00:13:16.660" end="00:13:21.140">Here, we can see a small<br />abscess, a very tiny abscess,</p>
<p begin="00:13:21.140" end="00:13:23.150">that if I were to find this,</p>
<p begin="00:13:23.150" end="00:13:26.720">I probably would not perform<br />an incision and drainage.</p>
<p begin="00:13:26.720" end="00:13:29.550">All I would do is perhaps warm compresses</p>
<p begin="00:13:29.550" end="00:13:31.623">and topical antibiotics.</p>
<p begin="00:13:32.942" end="00:13:36.820">Now, as we progress, we<br />can find larger abscesses.</p>
<p begin="00:13:36.820" end="00:13:40.250">Here's a situation where you<br />have a quite large abscess.</p>
<p begin="00:13:40.250" end="00:13:42.350">You may be confused and think initially</p>
<p begin="00:13:42.350" end="00:13:43.790">this is only the abscess,</p>
<p begin="00:13:43.790" end="00:13:47.650">but you must look carefully<br />and see the entire region.</p>
<p begin="00:13:47.650" end="00:13:50.260">This is an example how you<br />can have different echos</p>
<p begin="00:13:50.260" end="00:13:51.913">within that abscess.</p>
<p begin="00:13:53.760" end="00:13:56.330">And as you progress to larger abscesses,</p>
<p begin="00:13:56.330" end="00:13:59.610">you can see here, this is the abscess,</p>
<p begin="00:13:59.610" end="00:14:03.163">and it's important to measure<br />both the depth and the width.</p>
<p begin="00:14:07.470" end="00:14:11.080">Here's another example of an<br />extremely large abscess here,</p>
<p begin="00:14:11.080" end="00:14:13.333">with posterior acoustic enhancement.</p>
<p begin="00:14:17.440" end="00:14:19.650">And once you find a very large abscess</p>
<p begin="00:14:19.650" end="00:14:21.440">that you're gonna perform<br />an incision and drainage,</p>
<p begin="00:14:21.440" end="00:14:23.570">you can further measure the distance</p>
<p begin="00:14:23.570" end="00:14:26.810">from the skin down to the<br />entrance of the abscess.</p>
<p begin="00:14:26.810" end="00:14:30.090">You can either measure it this<br />way, or estimate the depth</p>
<p begin="00:14:30.090" end="00:14:32.490">based on the right side<br />of the ultrasound image.</p>
<p begin="00:14:34.160" end="00:14:37.070">Here's an example of an<br />extremely large buttock abscess.</p>
<p begin="00:14:37.070" end="00:14:40.290">As you fan through, you<br />can see anechoic fluid,</p>
<p begin="00:14:40.290" end="00:14:42.340">but then you can see this isoechoic</p>
<p begin="00:14:42.340" end="00:14:45.020">and slightly hypoechoic tissue.</p>
<p begin="00:14:45.020" end="00:14:46.820">This is still part of the abscess,</p>
<p begin="00:14:46.820" end="00:14:49.003">and you can see loculations inside.</p>
<p begin="00:14:51.300" end="00:14:55.130">Now, here's an example, one<br />that's actually quite common,</p>
<p begin="00:14:55.130" end="00:14:57.750">that you have a smaller<br />footprint transducer</p>
<p begin="00:14:57.750" end="00:15:02.530">that's a linear transducer,<br />and you see this large abscess.</p>
<p begin="00:15:02.530" end="00:15:04.980">Now, if I were using this transducer,</p>
<p begin="00:15:04.980" end="00:15:07.210">it would be extremely difficult to measure</p>
<p begin="00:15:07.210" end="00:15:10.440">and fit it, because you can't<br />fit it all on one screen.</p>
<p begin="00:15:10.440" end="00:15:12.080">So in this situation,</p>
<p begin="00:15:12.080" end="00:15:15.300">you would need to change to<br />the lower frequency transducer</p>
<p begin="00:15:15.300" end="00:15:17.640">in order to get an<br />appropriate measurement.</p>
<p begin="00:15:17.640" end="00:15:20.780">Of note, this is a pilonidal abscess.</p>
<p begin="00:15:20.780" end="00:15:22.240">What you can see here,</p>
<p begin="00:15:22.240" end="00:15:24.830">the depth of the abscess and the width,</p>
<p begin="00:15:24.830" end="00:15:27.433">it's quite large, almost six centimeters.</p>
<p begin="00:15:29.420" end="00:15:31.850">Obviously, if I found that on ultrasound,</p>
<p begin="00:15:31.850" end="00:15:34.480">that I would need to perform<br />an incision and drainage,</p>
<p begin="00:15:34.480" end="00:15:36.670">or call my surgical colleagues.</p>
<p begin="00:15:39.230" end="00:15:40.710">Here's another example,</p>
<p begin="00:15:40.710" end="00:15:43.390">and we have a very small abscess here.</p>
<p begin="00:15:43.390" end="00:15:46.623">Again, if I found this,<br />this is a very small abscess</p>
<p begin="00:15:46.623" end="00:15:49.620">that I would not perform<br />an incision and drainage.</p>
<p begin="00:15:49.620" end="00:15:50.840">If it were uncomfortable,</p>
<p begin="00:15:50.840" end="00:15:53.130">perhaps I would do a needle drainage,</p>
<p begin="00:15:53.130" end="00:15:56.593">but that's the most that I<br />would do in this situation.</p>
<p begin="00:15:58.700" end="00:16:00.100">Here's an abscess.</p>
<p begin="00:16:00.100" end="00:16:02.680">What you can do, as I mentioned before,</p>
<p begin="00:16:02.680" end="00:16:05.840">is use a technique called<br />graded compression with a probe.</p>
<p begin="00:16:05.840" end="00:16:07.860">That's actually performed here.</p>
<p begin="00:16:07.860" end="00:16:11.170">You can see movement<br />or swirling of the pus.</p>
<p begin="00:16:11.170" end="00:16:12.450">This is especially helpful</p>
<p begin="00:16:12.450" end="00:16:14.750">if you have an abscess that's isoechoic</p>
<p begin="00:16:14.750" end="00:16:16.380">with the surrounding tissue.</p>
<p begin="00:16:16.380" end="00:16:18.190">Once you see movement,</p>
<p begin="00:16:18.190" end="00:16:20.680">you're pretty confident<br />that that's an abscess,</p>
<p begin="00:16:20.680" end="00:16:23.650">and you can refer to that as pustalsis,</p>
<p begin="00:16:23.650" end="00:16:27.713">or movement of pus within<br />the actual abscess itself.</p>
<p begin="00:16:30.570" end="00:16:33.670">Here's a case that I had in<br />the emergency department.</p>
<p begin="00:16:33.670" end="00:16:36.120">This is a 14-year-old girl's sacrum.</p>
<p begin="00:16:36.120" end="00:16:38.360">She'd actually been in<br />the emergency department</p>
<p begin="00:16:38.360" end="00:16:41.440">the day before, and the<br />clinician had thought</p>
<p begin="00:16:41.440" end="00:16:44.640">that there was probably<br />an early abscess present,</p>
<p begin="00:16:44.640" end="00:16:48.280">but it wasn't ready for<br />incision and drainage quite yet.</p>
<p begin="00:16:48.280" end="00:16:51.690">The patient returned because<br />she had quite a bit of pain,</p>
<p begin="00:16:51.690" end="00:16:54.240">and you can see this<br />region here of erythema,</p>
<p begin="00:16:54.240" end="00:16:55.940">and just a little bit of swelling.</p>
<p begin="00:16:57.970" end="00:17:01.710">We immediately put the linear<br />transducer on the patient,</p>
<p begin="00:17:01.710" end="00:17:05.690">and you can see this large area of fluid.</p>
<p begin="00:17:05.690" end="00:17:07.723">You can see some<br />surrounding cobblestoning,</p>
<p begin="00:17:07.723" end="00:17:10.530">but this is a very large fluid collection.</p>
<p begin="00:17:10.530" end="00:17:11.740">Now, it is important to note</p>
<p begin="00:17:11.740" end="00:17:13.370">that this does look a little bit different</p>
<p begin="00:17:13.370" end="00:17:15.117">than the patterns that we saw before.</p>
<p begin="00:17:15.117" end="00:17:18.100">And you can see these dots swirling</p>
<p begin="00:17:18.100" end="00:17:20.240">within the cavity of the abscess.</p>
<p begin="00:17:20.240" end="00:17:23.500">This is cystic fluid that<br />represents those dots,</p>
<p begin="00:17:23.500" end="00:17:25.470">and that's super infected.</p>
<p begin="00:17:25.470" end="00:17:28.523">So it is pretty typical<br />for a super infected cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:17:30.680" end="00:17:32.670">Now, once we find an abscess</p>
<p begin="00:17:32.670" end="00:17:36.070">that needs to have incision<br />and drainage performed,</p>
<p begin="00:17:36.070" end="00:17:39.900">we can use ultrasound to<br />identify both the ideal location</p>
<p begin="00:17:39.900" end="00:17:41.850">for performing incision and drainage,</p>
<p begin="00:17:41.850" end="00:17:45.640">and also identify surrounding<br />neurovascular structures</p>
<p begin="00:17:45.640" end="00:17:48.710">that we don't actually want to cut into.</p>
<p begin="00:17:48.710" end="00:17:51.230">Now, generally for abscesses,</p>
<p begin="00:17:51.230" end="00:17:54.640">we use the technique called<br />ultrasound assistance,</p>
<p begin="00:17:54.640" end="00:17:56.010">and this is skin-marking</p>
<p begin="00:17:56.010" end="00:17:58.460">prior to performing incision and drainage.</p>
<p begin="00:17:58.460" end="00:18:00.510">We don't actually use ultrasound</p>
<p begin="00:18:00.510" end="00:18:03.310">during the incision and drainage itself.</p>
<p begin="00:18:03.310" end="00:18:05.660">You can also repeat the ultrasound</p>
<p begin="00:18:05.660" end="00:18:07.690">following incision and drainage</p>
<p begin="00:18:07.690" end="00:18:10.680">to make sure that you've<br />actually opened up</p>
<p begin="00:18:10.680" end="00:18:13.803">and obtained all the pus<br />within the cavity itself.</p>
<p begin="00:18:16.120" end="00:18:17.590">So here's an example</p>
<p begin="00:18:17.590" end="00:18:20.280">that one of the fellows presented to me.</p>
<p begin="00:18:20.280" end="00:18:23.530">This is a patient who had<br />axillary swelling and pain,</p>
<p begin="00:18:23.530" end="00:18:25.410">and I was a little bit hesitant</p>
<p begin="00:18:25.410" end="00:18:27.840">to perform incision and drainage.</p>
<p begin="00:18:27.840" end="00:18:30.660">We did the initial ultrasound here,</p>
<p begin="00:18:30.660" end="00:18:33.580">and you can see a<br />relatively large abscess.</p>
<p begin="00:18:33.580" end="00:18:35.730">So we didn't measure it,<br />but you can estimate,</p>
<p begin="00:18:35.730" end="00:18:39.000">based on the depth on the<br />right side of the screen,</p>
<p begin="00:18:39.000" end="00:18:43.060">this is at least about one<br />and a half centimeters deep.</p>
<p begin="00:18:43.060" end="00:18:46.703">So it's actually a quite sizeable abscess.</p>
<p begin="00:18:48.650" end="00:18:51.140">However, the reason why I was hesitant</p>
<p begin="00:18:51.140" end="00:18:53.550">to perform an incision and<br />drainage in this region</p>
<p begin="00:18:53.550" end="00:18:54.820">is that the axillary region</p>
<p begin="00:18:54.820" end="00:18:57.160">has a lot of neurovascular structures.</p>
<p begin="00:18:57.160" end="00:18:59.210">And here, you can use color doppler.</p>
<p begin="00:18:59.210" end="00:19:00.290">You can see the flow</p>
<p begin="00:19:00.290" end="00:19:02.860">right through the center of that abscess.</p>
<p begin="00:19:02.860" end="00:19:05.440">If we had actually performed<br />incision and drainage,</p>
<p begin="00:19:05.440" end="00:19:08.090">that patient would have<br />had significant bleeding</p>
<p begin="00:19:08.090" end="00:19:10.430">and complications as a result.</p>
<p begin="00:19:10.430" end="00:19:11.880">So therefore, we actually opted</p>
<p begin="00:19:11.880" end="00:19:14.010">not to perform an incision and drainage.</p>
<p begin="00:19:14.010" end="00:19:17.220">We decided to have conservative management</p>
<p begin="00:19:17.220" end="00:19:20.700">with warm compresses, topical antibiotics.</p>
<p begin="00:19:20.700" end="00:19:24.140">Because of the surrounding<br />cobblestoning and cellulitis,</p>
<p begin="00:19:24.140" end="00:19:26.513">we gave her oral clindamycin.</p>
<p begin="00:19:28.530" end="00:19:31.310">Here's another example<br />of a buttock abscess.</p>
<p begin="00:19:31.310" end="00:19:35.050">This was a patient that<br />had swelling, tenderness.</p>
<p begin="00:19:35.050" end="00:19:36.750">We can see the abscess here.</p>
<p begin="00:19:36.750" end="00:19:39.070">The patient's moving around a fair amount.</p>
<p begin="00:19:39.070" end="00:19:42.730">And you can see the swirling of the pus</p>
<p begin="00:19:42.730" end="00:19:45.390">with movement of the probe itself.</p>
<p begin="00:19:45.390" end="00:19:49.080">This actually was a communication</p>
<p begin="00:19:49.080" end="00:19:51.850">of the abscess with the rectum,</p>
<p begin="00:19:51.850" end="00:19:54.600">so there's a fistula, so we<br />needed to call a surgeon.</p>
<p begin="00:19:54.600" end="00:19:56.030">This was also another example</p>
<p begin="00:19:56.030" end="00:19:57.920">of an abscess that we would not perform</p>
<p begin="00:19:57.920" end="00:20:00.770">an incision and drainage based<br />on the ultrasound results.</p>
<p begin="00:20:05.000" end="00:20:08.090">So I'm obviously a fan of ultrasound,</p>
<p begin="00:20:08.090" end="00:20:10.970">and point-of-care ultrasound<br />in the emergency department.</p>
<p begin="00:20:10.970" end="00:20:13.030">But I'm not gonna use ultrasound</p>
<p begin="00:20:13.030" end="00:20:14.800">when it's not gonna help me clinically.</p>
<p begin="00:20:14.800" end="00:20:17.010">It's impossible to take the time</p>
<p begin="00:20:17.010" end="00:20:19.580">if it's not gonna actually<br />impact your patient care.</p>
<p begin="00:20:19.580" end="00:20:22.940">So if it's pretty obvious on exam</p>
<p begin="00:20:22.940" end="00:20:24.970">that a patient just has cellulitis,</p>
<p begin="00:20:24.970" end="00:20:27.180">or conversely, just has an abscess,</p>
<p begin="00:20:27.180" end="00:20:30.950">I actually don't use ultrasound,<br />it's those ones in-between.</p>
<p begin="00:20:30.950" end="00:20:33.640">So this is the algorithm that I employ.</p>
<p begin="00:20:33.640" end="00:20:36.260">If there's a very clear abscess on exam,</p>
<p begin="00:20:36.260" end="00:20:40.460">I put a needle in it, or I<br />perform incision and drainage.</p>
<p begin="00:20:40.460" end="00:20:43.460">If there's no abscess,<br />if it's just cellulitis,</p>
<p begin="00:20:43.460" end="00:20:45.140">then I treat with antibiotics.</p>
<p begin="00:20:45.140" end="00:20:46.410">And that's pretty easy.</p>
<p begin="00:20:46.410" end="00:20:48.590">But it's really those ones in the center,</p>
<p begin="00:20:48.590" end="00:20:49.940">those ones that we're not sure</p>
<p begin="00:20:49.940" end="00:20:51.280">if there's an abscess present,</p>
<p begin="00:20:51.280" end="00:20:53.310">or whether it's just cellulitis.</p>
<p begin="00:20:53.310" end="00:20:54.820">If we performed ultrasound,</p>
<p begin="00:20:54.820" end="00:20:56.340">and it's positive for an abscess,</p>
<p begin="00:20:56.340" end="00:20:58.080">then we can therefore go ahead</p>
<p begin="00:20:58.080" end="00:20:59.980">and perform incision and drainage,</p>
<p begin="00:20:59.980" end="00:21:02.913">and if it's negative, then we<br />would treat for cellulitis.</p>
<p begin="00:21:04.270" end="00:21:09.270">So we can also have abscesses<br />in unusual locations.</p>
<p begin="00:21:09.448" end="00:21:12.520">And now, this is a particularly<br />difficult case that I had.</p>
<p begin="00:21:12.520" end="00:21:15.490">Two separate cases of<br />swelling in the pinna,</p>
<p begin="00:21:15.490" end="00:21:19.770">which can be an emergency, as<br />far as the cartilage itself.</p>
<p begin="00:21:19.770" end="00:21:21.540">If there's an abscess present,</p>
<p begin="00:21:21.540" end="00:21:23.250">it needs to be promptly drained,</p>
<p begin="00:21:23.250" end="00:21:26.260">because it can cause a pressure<br />necrosis of the cartilage.</p>
<p begin="00:21:26.260" end="00:21:29.150">So when, obviously, these cases</p>
<p begin="00:21:29.150" end="00:21:30.960">always come in the middle of the night,</p>
<p begin="00:21:30.960" end="00:21:34.890">I needed to call my ear,<br />nose, and throat specialist,</p>
<p begin="00:21:34.890" end="00:21:36.580">and his first question to me</p>
<p begin="00:21:36.580" end="00:21:38.200">was whether there was an abscess present.</p>
<p begin="00:21:38.200" end="00:21:41.670">And clinically, especially<br />the patient on the left here,</p>
<p begin="00:21:41.670" end="00:21:42.780">it's really difficult to tell</p>
<p begin="00:21:42.780" end="00:21:44.660">whether there's a fluid<br />collection present,</p>
<p begin="00:21:44.660" end="00:21:46.990">whether I needed to actually<br />call him in from home</p>
<p begin="00:21:46.990" end="00:21:48.320">in the middle of the night.</p>
<p begin="00:21:48.320" end="00:21:50.880">So I performed an ultrasound.</p>
<p begin="00:21:50.880" end="00:21:54.410">Now, I had previously never<br />done ultrasound of the pinna,</p>
<p begin="00:21:54.410" end="00:21:56.620">and I didn't know what it<br />was supposed to look like.</p>
<p begin="00:21:56.620" end="00:21:58.280">So this is the affected side.</p>
<p begin="00:21:58.280" end="00:22:01.200">Well, we can compare it<br />to the unaffected side.</p>
<p begin="00:22:01.200" end="00:22:03.230">So you can see here in<br />the unaffected side,</p>
<p begin="00:22:03.230" end="00:22:05.210">we have hyperechoic cartilage,</p>
<p begin="00:22:05.210" end="00:22:07.520">you have nice, clean lines<br />around that cartilage,</p>
<p begin="00:22:07.520" end="00:22:09.920">and when you compare<br />it in the same patient,</p>
<p begin="00:22:09.920" end="00:22:13.070">here's the cartilage, and you<br />actually have a very thick,</p>
<p begin="00:22:13.070" end="00:22:15.470">thickened subcutaneous tissue,</p>
<p begin="00:22:15.470" end="00:22:18.890">and you can see this<br />anechoic fluid collection.</p>
<p begin="00:22:18.890" end="00:22:20.830">So this was indeed an abscess</p>
<p begin="00:22:20.830" end="00:22:23.830">that needed to be drained by<br />ENT in the middle of the night.</p>
<p begin="00:22:25.870" end="00:22:28.730">There are some things that can fool you,</p>
<p begin="00:22:28.730" end="00:22:31.590">and they're mimickers for an abscess.</p>
<p begin="00:22:31.590" end="00:22:34.130">The neck is particularly difficult.</p>
<p begin="00:22:34.130" end="00:22:36.170">This is a patient who had neck swelling.</p>
<p begin="00:22:36.170" end="00:22:38.240">You can notice here that<br />there's neck swelling</p>
<p begin="00:22:38.240" end="00:22:40.290">with overlying erythema,</p>
<p begin="00:22:40.290" end="00:22:41.610">and it's difficult to tell</p>
<p begin="00:22:41.610" end="00:22:43.900">whether that's an abscess or not.</p>
<p begin="00:22:43.900" end="00:22:46.560">When we actually perform the ultrasound,</p>
<p begin="00:22:46.560" end="00:22:49.310">we can see here that this is a lymph node.</p>
<p begin="00:22:49.310" end="00:22:51.070">In our patient, it's enlarged,</p>
<p begin="00:22:51.070" end="00:22:53.560">but you can see it's very regular.</p>
<p begin="00:22:53.560" end="00:22:55.160">There's a central hilum,</p>
<p begin="00:22:55.160" end="00:22:59.170">there are no anechoic,<br />irregular structures inside,</p>
<p begin="00:22:59.170" end="00:23:01.400">so this is just an enlarged lymph node.</p>
<p begin="00:23:01.400" end="00:23:02.800">So that could actually clinically</p>
<p begin="00:23:02.800" end="00:23:05.800">make you confused for an<br />abscess, but on ultrasound,</p>
<p begin="00:23:05.800" end="00:23:06.980">it's obviously not something</p>
<p begin="00:23:06.980" end="00:23:09.523">that we would perform an<br />incision and drainage on.</p>
<p begin="00:23:10.640" end="00:23:12.070">This one fooled me.</p>
<p begin="00:23:12.070" end="00:23:14.690">This was a patient with swelling.</p>
<p begin="00:23:14.690" end="00:23:18.360">And you perform ultrasound,<br />and you can see here,</p>
<p begin="00:23:18.360" end="00:23:20.280">that looks like cobblestoning.</p>
<p begin="00:23:20.280" end="00:23:23.600">That looks like here, that<br />that might be an irregular</p>
<p begin="00:23:23.600" end="00:23:25.740">fluid collection of an abscess.</p>
<p begin="00:23:25.740" end="00:23:27.100">When you actually,</p>
<p begin="00:23:27.100" end="00:23:29.970">when I actually performed<br />incision and drainage,</p>
<p begin="00:23:29.970" end="00:23:32.140">this was not an abscess,<br />but it was a hematoma.</p>
<p begin="00:23:32.140" end="00:23:34.570">So hematoma can look very similar</p>
<p begin="00:23:34.570" end="00:23:36.600">to cellulitis and abscess.</p>
<p begin="00:23:36.600" end="00:23:40.020">So be careful, and use<br />your clinical history</p>
<p begin="00:23:40.020" end="00:23:41.680">and psychical examination findings</p>
<p begin="00:23:41.680" end="00:23:43.730">in conjunction with your ultrasound.</p>
<p begin="00:23:43.730" end="00:23:47.480">This was another child who<br />came in with leg swelling.</p>
<p begin="00:23:47.480" end="00:23:49.200">You can see here</p>
<p begin="00:23:49.200" end="00:23:50.680">that there's some abnormalities</p>
<p begin="00:23:50.680" end="00:23:52.110">of the subcutaneous tissue,</p>
<p begin="00:23:52.110" end="00:23:54.560">you can see some of that<br />hypoechoic stranding,</p>
<p begin="00:23:54.560" end="00:23:57.000">and maybe some early cobblestoning.</p>
<p begin="00:23:58.420" end="00:24:02.473">That last patient was actually a bug bite.</p>
<p begin="00:24:05.660" end="00:24:07.850">This patient also with leg swelling,</p>
<p begin="00:24:07.850" end="00:24:09.700">you can see it looks a little bit hazy</p>
<p begin="00:24:09.700" end="00:24:12.310">in the subcutaneous tissues.</p>
<p begin="00:24:12.310" end="00:24:14.780">This was actually not cellulitis,</p>
<p begin="00:24:14.780" end="00:24:17.350">but it was a vaccine reaction.</p>
<p begin="00:24:17.350" end="00:24:19.440">So you can see reactions,</p>
<p begin="00:24:19.440" end="00:24:22.640">whether it's an allergic<br />reaction in the prior case,</p>
<p begin="00:24:22.640" end="00:24:26.900">or swelling after an<br />injection or vaccination.</p>
<p begin="00:24:26.900" end="00:24:29.813">Those should not be<br />confused with cellulitis.</p>
<p begin="00:24:34.490" end="00:24:37.360">So the findings of cellulitis<br />are pretty nonspecific.</p>
<p begin="00:24:37.360" end="00:24:41.000">As I mentioned, a hematoma<br />can look like cellulitis,</p>
<p begin="00:24:41.000" end="00:24:43.320">bug bites, vaccine reactions.</p>
<p begin="00:24:43.320" end="00:24:46.980">So really, cellulitis is<br />more of a clinical diagnosis.</p>
<p begin="00:24:46.980" end="00:24:48.610">And what we're using ultrasound for</p>
<p begin="00:24:48.610" end="00:24:51.950">is to identify the presence<br />or absence of an abscess.</p>
<p begin="00:24:51.950" end="00:24:54.540">It's really helpful to use compression.</p>
<p begin="00:24:54.540" end="00:24:57.840">Look for that pustalsis to<br />see if there's fluid inside.</p>
<p begin="00:24:57.840" end="00:24:59.340">Look for adjacent structures,</p>
<p begin="00:24:59.340" end="00:25:01.363">and compare to the unaffected side.</p>
<p begin="00:25:03.040" end="00:25:05.660">Now, this is actually one<br />of my favorite applications</p>
<p begin="00:25:05.660" end="00:25:08.700">because I absolutely hate foreign bodies.</p>
<p begin="00:25:08.700" end="00:25:10.650">I hate hunting for foreign bodies,</p>
<p begin="00:25:10.650" end="00:25:13.720">and I particularly hate<br />foreign bodies under the nail.</p>
<p begin="00:25:13.720" end="00:25:15.870">So this was actually a patient</p>
<p begin="00:25:15.870" end="00:25:17.580">with a suspected foreign body,</p>
<p begin="00:25:17.580" end="00:25:20.470">and I performed ultrasound<br />to prove to the mother</p>
<p begin="00:25:20.470" end="00:25:23.620">that there was not a foreign<br />body, and I was wrong.</p>
<p begin="00:25:23.620" end="00:25:26.390">So (laughing) be careful<br />when you're using ultrasound</p>
<p begin="00:25:26.390" end="00:25:27.670">to rule things out.</p>
<p begin="00:25:27.670" end="00:25:29.100">We really wanna rule it in,</p>
<p begin="00:25:29.100" end="00:25:31.920">and luckily, I actually did<br />rule it in for the patient.</p>
<p begin="00:25:31.920" end="00:25:35.590">So this particular patient<br />was a 13-year-old male</p>
<p begin="00:25:35.590" end="00:25:37.650">who fell against a wooden dresser.</p>
<p begin="00:25:37.650" end="00:25:39.070">He felt that part of the wood</p>
<p begin="00:25:39.070" end="00:25:40.530">actually went under his nail,</p>
<p begin="00:25:40.530" end="00:25:43.030">but given the fact that he was a teenager,</p>
<p begin="00:25:43.030" end="00:25:45.280">he wasn't really sure if the piece of wood</p>
<p begin="00:25:45.280" end="00:25:47.010">was still under his nail.</p>
<p begin="00:25:47.010" end="00:25:48.657">But it hurt, and it looked like this.</p>
<p begin="00:25:48.657" end="00:25:52.560">And so you can see, this<br />line underneath the nail,</p>
<p begin="00:25:52.560" end="00:25:53.680">and it was hard to tell</p>
<p begin="00:25:53.680" end="00:25:56.350">whether that was a foreign body or not.</p>
<p begin="00:25:56.350" end="00:25:58.080">So because it was in the hand,</p>
<p begin="00:25:58.080" end="00:26:00.140">we put his hand in a water bath,</p>
<p begin="00:26:00.140" end="00:26:02.720">and you can see here, we can see his nail.</p>
<p begin="00:26:02.720" end="00:26:04.640">This hyperechoic structure posterior,</p>
<p begin="00:26:04.640" end="00:26:06.890">this will loop through, is the phalanx,</p>
<p begin="00:26:06.890" end="00:26:09.250">but if you look just under the nail,</p>
<p begin="00:26:09.250" end="00:26:11.870">you can see this hyperechoic line</p>
<p begin="00:26:11.870" end="00:26:14.680">that extends past the eponychium here,</p>
<p begin="00:26:14.680" end="00:26:17.860">and that is the whole foreign body.</p>
<p begin="00:26:17.860" end="00:26:21.720">So we removed it, and it<br />was almost two centimeters.</p>
<p begin="00:26:21.720" end="00:26:24.050">So that was actually a really good example</p>
<p begin="00:26:24.050" end="00:26:27.300">of using a water bath to<br />identify a foreign body.</p>
<p begin="00:26:27.300" end="00:26:31.320">Now, foreign bodies can<br />be very easily identified.</p>
<p begin="00:26:31.320" end="00:26:33.050">The technique is very similar</p>
<p begin="00:26:33.050" end="00:26:36.260">to what I mentioned before<br />for cellulitis and abscess.</p>
<p begin="00:26:36.260" end="00:26:39.300">Use a high frequency linear probe.</p>
<p begin="00:26:39.300" end="00:26:41.810">If there is open skin, as there often is,</p>
<p begin="00:26:41.810" end="00:26:44.620">be careful, and make sure<br />that you prepare the probe</p>
<p begin="00:26:44.620" end="00:26:46.310">in a sterile fashion.</p>
<p begin="00:26:46.310" end="00:26:49.260">Patients will often have a puncture wound,</p>
<p begin="00:26:49.260" end="00:26:51.240">or an area where they feel</p>
<p begin="00:26:51.240" end="00:26:53.190">like there's a retained foreign body,</p>
<p begin="00:26:53.190" end="00:26:55.850">so you really wanna focus<br />your interest there.</p>
<p begin="00:26:55.850" end="00:26:57.720">Start in the unaffected area.</p>
<p begin="00:26:57.720" end="00:26:59.500">Scan over the affected area,</p>
<p begin="00:26:59.500" end="00:27:01.840">really focus on that affected area,</p>
<p begin="00:27:01.840" end="00:27:03.950">or whether there's a puncture mark.</p>
<p begin="00:27:03.950" end="00:27:06.190">Then rotate your probe 90 degrees,</p>
<p begin="00:27:06.190" end="00:27:10.513">and scan over that area of<br />interest in your second plane.</p>
<p begin="00:27:12.040" end="00:27:15.400">Now, foreign bodies are<br />often very difficult,</p>
<p begin="00:27:15.400" end="00:27:19.250">because we have relied, historically,</p>
<p begin="00:27:19.250" end="00:27:23.240">on using plain radiographs<br />to identify foreign bodies.</p>
<p begin="00:27:23.240" end="00:27:24.650">We all know that the only things</p>
<p begin="00:27:24.650" end="00:27:26.380">that will show up on radiographs</p>
<p begin="00:27:26.380" end="00:27:30.540">are glass and metal, and sometimes gravel,</p>
<p begin="00:27:30.540" end="00:27:32.880">but there are tons of other foreign bodies</p>
<p begin="00:27:32.880" end="00:27:34.860">like wood, thorns, plastic,</p>
<p begin="00:27:34.860" end="00:27:37.650">that will never show up<br />on plain radiographs.</p>
<p begin="00:27:37.650" end="00:27:40.460">In addition, radiographs include,</p>
<p begin="00:27:40.460" end="00:27:42.130">involve ionizing radiation,</p>
<p begin="00:27:42.130" end="00:27:44.650">and this is something we<br />obviously wanna decrease</p>
<p begin="00:27:44.650" end="00:27:46.720">the exposure of ionizing radiation</p>
<p begin="00:27:46.720" end="00:27:48.780">in our pediatric population.</p>
<p begin="00:27:48.780" end="00:27:52.280">So ultrasound is great in<br />identifying foreign bodies.</p>
<p begin="00:27:52.280" end="00:27:56.390">Almost every foreign body is<br />hyperechoic, or bright white.</p>
<p begin="00:27:56.390" end="00:27:59.600">So whether it's<br />radiopaque, or radiolucent,</p>
<p begin="00:27:59.600" end="00:28:02.190">they're almost all hyperechoic.</p>
<p begin="00:28:02.190" end="00:28:03.790">Now, there are certain artifacts</p>
<p begin="00:28:03.790" end="00:28:05.950">that can help you identify foreign bodies,</p>
<p begin="00:28:05.950" end="00:28:07.300">what types they are.</p>
<p begin="00:28:07.300" end="00:28:09.500">Metal will have a ring-down artifact,</p>
<p begin="00:28:09.500" end="00:28:11.760">and some of the more dense materials</p>
<p begin="00:28:11.760" end="00:28:14.160">will have posterior shadowing.</p>
<p begin="00:28:14.160" end="00:28:16.610">In situations of retained foreign bodies,</p>
<p begin="00:28:16.610" end="00:28:18.470">there can be a hypoechoic halo</p>
<p begin="00:28:18.470" end="00:28:20.573">surrounding that foreign body itself.</p>
<p begin="00:28:22.670" end="00:28:24.990">So here's an example of a foreign body.</p>
<p begin="00:28:24.990" end="00:28:27.690">As we scan through the<br />subcutaneous tissue,</p>
<p begin="00:28:27.690" end="00:28:30.413">we can see this tiny little dot here.</p>
<p begin="00:28:34.670" end="00:28:37.530">This shows the importance of scanning</p>
<p begin="00:28:37.530" end="00:28:40.370">in at least two perpendicular planes.</p>
<p begin="00:28:40.370" end="00:28:44.530">When you rotate the transducer<br />into the second plane,</p>
<p begin="00:28:44.530" end="00:28:47.350">you will now see the entire length</p>
<p begin="00:28:47.350" end="00:28:49.370">of this foreign body here,</p>
<p begin="00:28:49.370" end="00:28:51.440">with that ring-down artifact.</p>
<p begin="00:28:51.440" end="00:28:54.040">This is a situation of a needle.</p>
<p begin="00:28:54.040" end="00:28:56.580">Now, if you had only<br />obtained that first view,</p>
<p begin="00:28:56.580" end="00:28:58.290">you could easily miss it.</p>
<p begin="00:28:58.290" end="00:28:59.530">It is important to note</p>
<p begin="00:28:59.530" end="00:29:02.120">that very small diameter foreign bodies</p>
<p begin="00:29:02.120" end="00:29:04.173">may be missed by ultrasound.</p>
<p begin="00:29:06.650" end="00:29:09.440">Here's that hyperechoic foreign body,</p>
<p begin="00:29:09.440" end="00:29:12.830">with that ring-down artifact,<br />those parallel lines.</p>
<p begin="00:29:12.830" end="00:29:16.020">And that signifies a metallic object.</p>
<p begin="00:29:16.020" end="00:29:18.180">Of note, this is actually a needle</p>
<p begin="00:29:18.180" end="00:29:21.273">that's in the patellar<br />ligament that you can see here.</p>
<p begin="00:29:24.810" end="00:29:27.080">As I mentioned, there<br />are particular artifacts</p>
<p begin="00:29:27.080" end="00:29:28.300">that can help you.</p>
<p begin="00:29:28.300" end="00:29:31.750">The ring-down artifact of<br />metal, you can identify.</p>
<p begin="00:29:31.750" end="00:29:34.580">Now, sometimes you see the artifact first</p>
<p begin="00:29:34.580" end="00:29:36.850">before you actually see the foreign body.</p>
<p begin="00:29:36.850" end="00:29:38.380">Here's an example in the center</p>
<p begin="00:29:38.380" end="00:29:39.930">of a very small foreign body,</p>
<p begin="00:29:39.930" end="00:29:42.330">but you can see the posterior shadowing.</p>
<p begin="00:29:42.330" end="00:29:44.970">You can see posterior<br />shadowing with glass,</p>
<p begin="00:29:44.970" end="00:29:47.730">and less commonly, plastic and wood.</p>
<p begin="00:29:47.730" end="00:29:49.130">There are other things like wood</p>
<p begin="00:29:49.130" end="00:29:52.440">that will have a very<br />dense hyperechoic nature,</p>
<p begin="00:29:52.440" end="00:29:54.570">but you won't see that ring-down artifact,</p>
<p begin="00:29:54.570" end="00:29:56.550">or you won't see that dense shadowing.</p>
<p begin="00:29:56.550" end="00:29:57.830">So again, keep in mind</p>
<p begin="00:29:57.830" end="00:30:00.180">that almost all foreign<br />bodies are hyperechoic.</p>
<p begin="00:30:02.270" end="00:30:04.780">Here's an example of a glass foreign body.</p>
<p begin="00:30:04.780" end="00:30:07.830">You can see this line coming down here,</p>
<p begin="00:30:07.830" end="00:30:10.370">and perhaps this hyperechoic area.</p>
<p begin="00:30:10.370" end="00:30:13.430">Very important to obtain two views.</p>
<p begin="00:30:13.430" end="00:30:16.513">You can see the posterior<br />shadowing deep to that.</p>
<p begin="00:30:18.750" end="00:30:21.320">Here's an example of a splinter.</p>
<p begin="00:30:21.320" end="00:30:24.760">On exam, there was barely any<br />splinter that you could see.</p>
<p begin="00:30:24.760" end="00:30:26.940">Once you put the patient's<br />hand in a water bath,</p>
<p begin="00:30:26.940" end="00:30:28.830">you can not only see the splinter here,</p>
<p begin="00:30:28.830" end="00:30:33.466">but the extension deep, of<br />that very large foreign body.</p>
<p begin="00:30:33.466" end="00:30:35.420">And this foreign body was<br />more than a centimeter</p>
<p begin="00:30:35.420" end="00:30:36.543">that we retrieved.</p>
<p begin="00:30:39.560" end="00:30:40.930">Obviously, says it at the top,</p>
<p begin="00:30:40.930" end="00:30:41.870">and you have the picture here.</p>
<p begin="00:30:41.870" end="00:30:43.650">This is a very large splinter</p>
<p begin="00:30:43.650" end="00:30:45.940">that we retrieved from a patient's thigh.</p>
<p begin="00:30:45.940" end="00:30:47.430">And you probably wouldn't miss this,</p>
<p begin="00:30:47.430" end="00:30:49.100">but this is often really difficult</p>
<p begin="00:30:49.100" end="00:30:52.640">to tell where you should perform<br />your incision and drainage.</p>
<p begin="00:30:52.640" end="00:30:55.610">Now, in the transverse view,<br />as we're scanning through,</p>
<p begin="00:30:55.610" end="00:30:57.510">you can see the shadow marching up.</p>
<p begin="00:30:57.510" end="00:31:00.903">These are various cross-sections<br />of the splinter itself.</p>
<p begin="00:31:04.070" end="00:31:05.320">One other thing that you can do</p>
<p begin="00:31:05.320" end="00:31:07.870">to help identify a foreign body</p>
<p begin="00:31:07.870" end="00:31:11.810">is injecting lidocaine<br />surrounding that foreign body.</p>
<p begin="00:31:11.810" end="00:31:13.870">So if I have a foreign body</p>
<p begin="00:31:13.870" end="00:31:15.830">that I'm not exactly sure where it is,</p>
<p begin="00:31:15.830" end="00:31:18.970">I can identify it first on ultrasound,</p>
<p begin="00:31:18.970" end="00:31:22.340">with ultrasound guidance,<br />inject lidocaine surrounding it.</p>
<p begin="00:31:22.340" end="00:31:24.340">Anytime there's fluid that you introduce,</p>
<p begin="00:31:24.340" end="00:31:26.320">it acts as an acoustic window.</p>
<p begin="00:31:26.320" end="00:31:31.320">So what you can see here<br />is the foreign body,</p>
<p begin="00:31:32.380" end="00:31:35.730">and then this hypoechoic halo around it.</p>
<p begin="00:31:35.730" end="00:31:37.730">This appearance is also the same</p>
<p begin="00:31:37.730" end="00:31:39.683">if it were a retained foreign body.</p>
<p begin="00:31:42.000" end="00:31:44.380">So in order to remove a foreign body,</p>
<p begin="00:31:44.380" end="00:31:46.610">oftentimes, the easiest thing to do</p>
<p begin="00:31:46.610" end="00:31:48.380">is just ultrasound assistance.</p>
<p begin="00:31:48.380" end="00:31:53.130">So identify the structure on<br />ultrasound, mark the skin,</p>
<p begin="00:31:53.130" end="00:31:56.340">and remove the foreign body<br />without the use of ultrasound.</p>
<p begin="00:31:56.340" end="00:31:59.640">Alternatively, especially<br />if you have a foreign body</p>
<p begin="00:31:59.640" end="00:32:01.900">that's really difficult to remove,</p>
<p begin="00:32:01.900" end="00:32:03.990">or something round that is moving</p>
<p begin="00:32:03.990" end="00:32:05.690">as you're trying to remove it,</p>
<p begin="00:32:05.690" end="00:32:07.860">ultrasound guidance can be helpful.</p>
<p begin="00:32:07.860" end="00:32:09.640">So you can actually see the foreign body</p>
<p begin="00:32:09.640" end="00:32:11.470">moving in real time.</p>
<p begin="00:32:11.470" end="00:32:14.140">One of the tricks that you can<br />do for ultrasound guidance,</p>
<p begin="00:32:14.140" end="00:32:16.930">particularly if it's a<br />difficult foreign body,</p>
<p begin="00:32:16.930" end="00:32:20.100">is identify the foreign<br />body on ultrasound,</p>
<p begin="00:32:20.100" end="00:32:23.250">introduce a needle with<br />ultrasound guidance,</p>
<p begin="00:32:23.250" end="00:32:26.040">and have the needle extend<br />down to the foreign body,</p>
<p begin="00:32:26.040" end="00:32:28.430">down to below the foreign body,</p>
<p begin="00:32:28.430" end="00:32:31.120">keep the needle in<br />place, remove the probe,</p>
<p begin="00:32:31.120" end="00:32:33.400">and then you can incise<br />down to that needle</p>
<p begin="00:32:33.400" end="00:32:35.190">that you kept in place,</p>
<p begin="00:32:35.190" end="00:32:38.320">because your foreign<br />body will be just on top.</p>
<p begin="00:32:38.320" end="00:32:39.850">Additionally, you can use ultrasound</p>
<p begin="00:32:39.850" end="00:32:42.610">and look at forceps directly themselves.</p>
<p begin="00:32:42.610" end="00:32:44.740">So it is important to remember</p>
<p begin="00:32:44.740" end="00:32:46.370">that ultrasound is quite limited</p>
<p begin="00:32:46.370" end="00:32:48.720">in detecting small foreign bodies.</p>
<p begin="00:32:48.720" end="00:32:50.960">It depends on the orientation of the probe</p>
<p begin="00:32:50.960" end="00:32:52.690">to that foreign body.</p>
<p begin="00:32:52.690" end="00:32:54.200">Sometimes, especially in the foot,</p>
<p begin="00:32:54.200" end="00:32:56.150">if the patient steps directly</p>
<p begin="00:32:56.150" end="00:32:59.660">on a very small diameter,<br />toothpick, let's say,</p>
<p begin="00:32:59.660" end="00:33:03.180">if you scan in two planes<br />at the bottom of the foot,</p>
<p begin="00:33:03.180" end="00:33:05.900">you'll only see that very small diameter.</p>
<p begin="00:33:05.900" end="00:33:08.830">Now, if you do an additional<br />view on the side of the foot,</p>
<p begin="00:33:08.830" end="00:33:11.380">you can now see the<br />length of that toothpick,</p>
<p begin="00:33:11.380" end="00:33:13.770">and identify that foreign body.</p>
<p begin="00:33:13.770" end="00:33:16.210">One thing to note that<br />if you have a patient</p>
<p begin="00:33:16.210" end="00:33:19.330">with a foreign, a suspected<br />foreign body in their hand,</p>
<p begin="00:33:19.330" end="00:33:21.680">be very careful, because a<br />lot of the small hand bones</p>
<p begin="00:33:21.680" end="00:33:24.660">can be mistaken for foreign bodies.</p>
<p begin="00:33:24.660" end="00:33:25.910">I had mentioned different techniques</p>
<p begin="00:33:25.910" end="00:33:27.540">for removing foreign bodies.</p>
<p begin="00:33:27.540" end="00:33:29.810">This is the example of<br />needle localization.</p>
<p begin="00:33:29.810" end="00:33:31.720">You can see the foreign body here.</p>
<p begin="00:33:31.720" end="00:33:34.610">We extend the needle<br />down to the foreign body,</p>
<p begin="00:33:34.610" end="00:33:36.210">we leave that needle in place,</p>
<p begin="00:33:36.210" end="00:33:39.513">and we can incise down to<br />that foreign body itself.</p>
<p begin="00:33:41.610" end="00:33:43.110">Here's another example.</p>
<p begin="00:33:43.110" end="00:33:44.610">This is in real tissue.</p>
<p begin="00:33:44.610" end="00:33:47.030">We have a foreign body here.</p>
<p begin="00:33:47.030" end="00:33:48.730">We extend the needle down.</p>
<p begin="00:33:48.730" end="00:33:49.770">We'll leave that in place,</p>
<p begin="00:33:49.770" end="00:33:51.570">and we'll incise down to the needle.</p>
<p begin="00:33:53.940" end="00:33:55.660">We can use forceps.</p>
<p begin="00:33:55.660" end="00:33:57.120">We can look in real time guidance.</p>
<p begin="00:33:57.120" end="00:33:58.217">We can see the foreign body here,</p>
<p begin="00:33:58.217" end="00:34:00.410">and the forceps grabbing.</p>
<p begin="00:34:00.410" end="00:34:03.950">Now, remember, because<br />this is a metallic object</p>
<p begin="00:34:03.950" end="00:34:06.140">that not only will you<br />have ring-down artifact</p>
<p begin="00:34:06.140" end="00:34:10.250">from the metal, but you won't<br />see both sides of the forceps</p>
<p begin="00:34:10.250" end="00:34:11.720">because they're very dense.</p>
<p begin="00:34:11.720" end="00:34:15.290">So you will see the anterior<br />portion of the forceps,</p>
<p begin="00:34:15.290" end="00:34:18.240">and you can see the tip actually<br />grabbing the foreign body.</p>
<p begin="00:34:20.330" end="00:34:24.000">Here's an example of foreign<br />body, again, in the hand.</p>
<p begin="00:34:24.000" end="00:34:25.000">Here's that thorn.</p>
<p begin="00:34:25.000" end="00:34:26.090">This is the example</p>
<p begin="00:34:26.090" end="00:34:30.480">that you can just see barely<br />any of the thorn here.</p>
<p begin="00:34:30.480" end="00:34:33.720">When we use the water<br />bath, it extends here.</p>
<p begin="00:34:33.720" end="00:34:35.943">This is hyperechoic, extending deep.</p>
<p begin="00:34:37.220" end="00:34:38.290">And this was the foreign body</p>
<p begin="00:34:38.290" end="00:34:39.890">that was more than a centimeter.</p>
<p begin="00:34:41.800" end="00:34:43.687">This was an example of a pencil in a foot.</p>
<p begin="00:34:43.687" end="00:34:46.760">And so, we did use x-ray,<br />you can see it here.</p>
<p begin="00:34:46.760" end="00:34:48.760">But it's often difficult to identify</p>
<p begin="00:34:48.760" end="00:34:50.430">exactly where it is based on x-ray.</p>
<p begin="00:34:50.430" end="00:34:52.290">We can identify that it's there,</p>
<p begin="00:34:52.290" end="00:34:55.230">but not necessarily where the location is.</p>
<p begin="00:34:55.230" end="00:34:58.330">So here, we can see the<br />hyperechoic foreign body</p>
<p begin="00:34:58.330" end="00:35:00.033">with posterior shadowing.</p>
<p begin="00:35:00.980" end="00:35:03.350">And this is the large pencil tip</p>
<p begin="00:35:03.350" end="00:35:05.153">that we extracted from the foot.</p>
<p begin="00:35:07.890" end="00:35:10.350">So I encourage people to practice</p>
<p begin="00:35:10.350" end="00:35:11.870">identifying foreign bodies.</p>
<p begin="00:35:11.870" end="00:35:14.440">It's actually quite easy<br />to make phantom models</p>
<p begin="00:35:14.440" end="00:35:16.160">and practice this technique.</p>
<p begin="00:35:16.160" end="00:35:18.060">Here, we have a few different types.</p>
<p begin="00:35:18.060" end="00:35:20.530">We have chickens that we put phantoms,</p>
<p begin="00:35:20.530" end="00:35:23.300">different materials of wood, metal,</p>
<p begin="00:35:23.300" end="00:35:25.720">there's a safety pin,<br />and then some plastic.</p>
<p begin="00:35:25.720" end="00:35:28.780">It is helpful to have a map<br />of what you put in there,</p>
<p begin="00:35:28.780" end="00:35:30.110">so people can identify.</p>
<p begin="00:35:30.110" end="00:35:35.110">Polenta is a good alternative,<br />or gelatin Metamucil models.</p>
<p begin="00:35:37.190" end="00:35:38.023">So here we are,</p>
<p begin="00:35:38.023" end="00:35:40.590">and we had a few courses with WINFOCUS,</p>
<p begin="00:35:40.590" end="00:35:44.150">where we had various<br />gelatin and chicken models.</p>
<p begin="00:35:44.150" end="00:35:45.900">And here are those gelatin models.</p>
<p begin="00:35:45.900" end="00:35:47.380">It's helpful to practice,</p>
<p begin="00:35:47.380" end="00:35:50.490">to identify what these<br />abnormal patterns are</p>
<p begin="00:35:50.490" end="00:35:53.673">on ultrasound before actually<br />scanning on real patients.</p>
<p begin="00:35:54.580" end="00:35:57.740">So in summary, for the<br />soft tissue applications,</p>
<p begin="00:35:57.740" end="00:36:00.930">which are extremely helpful<br />in pediatric populations,</p>
<p begin="00:36:00.930" end="00:36:04.150">we're going to use the high<br />frequency linear transducer.</p>
<p begin="00:36:04.150" end="00:36:07.660">For cellulitis, we're<br />actually not using ultrasound</p>
<p begin="00:36:07.660" end="00:36:10.020">to diagnose cellulitis,<br />but we're looking to see</p>
<p begin="00:36:10.020" end="00:36:12.500">if there's a fluid collection or abscess.</p>
<p begin="00:36:12.500" end="00:36:14.670">We're also looking for foreign bodies.</p>
<p begin="00:36:14.670" end="00:36:15.900">All of these techniques,</p>
<p begin="00:36:15.900" end="00:36:18.920">you wanna make sure that you<br />scan in at least two planes,</p>
<p begin="00:36:18.920" end="00:36:21.940">look for surrounding<br />neurovascular structures,</p>
<p begin="00:36:21.940" end="00:36:23.670">and you can really extend these principles</p>
<p begin="00:36:23.670" end="00:36:24.910">to other applications.</p>
<p begin="00:36:24.910" end="00:36:27.200">As I showed the example in the neck,</p>
<p begin="00:36:27.200" end="00:36:32.010">you can identify abscesses in<br />the neck, and other locations</p>
<p begin="00:36:32.010" end="00:36:34.470">that you may not necessarily<br />be familiar with.</p>
<p begin="00:36:34.470" end="00:36:37.580">And the other example is<br />the cartilage in the pinna,</p>
<p begin="00:36:37.580" end="00:36:39.510">that the same principles of an abscess</p>
<p begin="00:36:39.510" end="00:36:41.780">will extend to those other locations.</p>
<p begin="00:36:41.780" end="00:36:46.710">As you practice these exams,<br />as you look in phantom models,</p>
<p begin="00:36:46.710" end="00:36:49.390">as you practice on patients,<br />you'll find that actually,</p>
<p begin="00:36:49.390" end="00:36:52.950">these are amongst the<br />easiest of ultrasound exams.</p>
<p begin="00:36:52.950" end="00:36:55.020">They're also the most helpful</p>
<p begin="00:36:55.020" end="00:36:57.293">in your management of pediatric patients.</p>
<p begin="00:36:59.170" end="00:37:02.190">Thank you so much for<br />watching this webinar.</p>
<p begin="00:37:02.190" end="00:37:04.040">If you have any questions or comments,</p>
<p begin="00:37:04.040" end="00:37:07.200">you can contact me, and<br />my Twitter handle is here.</p>
<p begin="00:37:07.200" end="00:37:08.980">And also, if you'd like to learn</p>
<p begin="00:37:08.980" end="00:37:13.210">about other pediatric<br />point-of-care ultrasound topics,</p>
<p begin="00:37:13.210" end="00:37:15.700">you can refer to the<br />textbook, Pediatric Emergency</p>
<p begin="00:37:15.700" end="00:37:17.470">and Critical Care Ultrasound.</p>
<p begin="00:37:17.470" end="00:37:18.603">Thank you very much.</p>
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<p begin="00:00:01.260" end="00:00:03.850">- Welcome to our AEN Webinar.</p>
<p begin="00:00:03.850" end="00:00:05.910">My name is Wolf Armbruster.</p>
<p begin="00:00:05.910" end="00:00:07.680">- My name is Rudiger Eichholz.</p>
<p begin="00:00:07.680" end="00:00:09.464">- And I am Thomas Notheisen.</p>
<p begin="00:00:09.464" end="00:00:11.520">- And our subject today is</p>
<p begin="00:00:11.520" end="00:00:14.490">- Needle tip control in ultrasound-guided</p>
<p begin="00:00:14.490" end="00:00:18.670">interventions and procedures,<br />so mainly we're talking about</p>
<p begin="00:00:18.670" end="00:00:22.470">ultrasound-guided nerve<br />blocks and vascular axis.</p>
<p begin="00:00:22.470" end="00:00:24.910">- You see three speakers<br />here because we are doing</p>
<p begin="00:00:24.910" end="00:00:27.423">a lot of ultrasound courses together.</p>
<p begin="00:00:29.990" end="00:00:32.320">- Why do we recommend to use</p>
<p begin="00:00:32.320" end="00:00:34.800">ultrasound in invasive procedures?</p>
<p begin="00:00:34.800" end="00:00:38.930">We all know the cases with<br />landmark vascular axis</p>
<p begin="00:00:38.930" end="00:00:42.000">with difficult situations where we have</p>
<p begin="00:00:42.000" end="00:00:45.020">displacement of catheters<br />that's shown here,</p>
<p begin="00:00:45.020" end="00:00:49.120">or in this photo you<br />see a lot of catheters</p>
<p begin="00:00:49.120" end="00:00:52.020">and the one in the<br />middle with the red tags</p>
<p begin="00:00:52.020" end="00:00:56.720">obviously has a little<br />bit of an unusual position</p>
<p begin="00:00:56.720" end="00:00:58.760">on the lateral side of the clavicle.</p>
<p begin="00:00:58.760" end="00:01:00.290">If you look at this</p>
<p begin="00:01:00.290" end="00:01:03.840">on the ***, you will find the ultrasound</p>
<p begin="00:01:03.840" end="00:01:07.590">guided placements of two<br />catheters; the blue ones,</p>
<p begin="00:01:07.590" end="00:01:12.030">and the displacement of<br />the red one which was</p>
<p begin="00:01:12.030" end="00:01:17.030">placed in the subclavian artery<br />in an emergency situation.</p>
<p begin="00:01:17.470" end="00:01:21.540">So, nobody touts that using ultrasound</p>
<p begin="00:01:21.540" end="00:01:25.110">reduces complications as such, so we need</p>
<p begin="00:01:25.110" end="00:01:30.110">to have some ideas how to really</p>
<p begin="00:01:30.320" end="00:01:33.710">master this method professionally.</p>
<p begin="00:01:33.710" end="00:01:35.100">What do we need?</p>
<p begin="00:01:35.100" end="00:01:39.830">We normally talk about three<br />pillars as pre-conditions</p>
<p begin="00:01:39.830" end="00:01:44.330">for safe and successful<br />ultrasound guided procedures.</p>
<p begin="00:01:44.330" end="00:01:47.800">The first one is<br />basically probe maneuvers.</p>
<p begin="00:01:47.800" end="00:01:51.420">We need to know, and to practice,<br />how to handle the probe,</p>
<p begin="00:01:51.420" end="00:01:56.140">how to get what we want<br />on the ultrasound screen,</p>
<p begin="00:01:56.140" end="00:01:59.120">so, how to get the target structure.</p>
<p begin="00:01:59.120" end="00:02:04.040">And the second pillar is<br />sonoanatomy, so we need</p>
<p begin="00:02:04.040" end="00:02:07.910">to have a deep knowledge<br />of what we are looking at,</p>
<p begin="00:02:07.910" end="00:02:10.873">and the third thing, and this<br />is going to be the major thing</p>
<p begin="00:02:10.873" end="00:02:15.873">we are talking about today,<br />this is needle tip control.</p>
<p begin="00:02:17.630" end="00:02:22.610">To start with, we go over<br />some basic information so that</p>
<p begin="00:02:22.610" end="00:02:25.000">we know what we are talking about</p>
<p begin="00:02:25.000" end="00:02:27.523">within the rest of this webinar.</p>
<p begin="00:02:28.699" end="00:02:32.370">We look at the lateral neck<br />on these two videos here</p>
<p begin="00:02:32.370" end="00:02:37.130">and the anatomical<br />structures are shown in a</p>
<p begin="00:02:37.130" end="00:02:41.873">transverse cut which is<br />also known as short axis.</p>
<p begin="00:02:42.830" end="00:02:45.660">The other term we need is obviously the</p>
<p begin="00:02:45.660" end="00:02:47.720">longitudinal cut or long axis,</p>
<p begin="00:02:47.720" end="00:02:52.243">which is shown here on the<br />radial artery on the mid forearm.</p>
<p begin="00:02:54.290" end="00:02:56.790">In contrast to this, what we call</p>
<p begin="00:02:56.790" end="00:03:01.250">axis terminology, we talk about planes.</p>
<p begin="00:03:01.250" end="00:03:05.170">Planes refer to the needle<br />guidance in relation</p>
<p begin="00:03:05.170" end="00:03:08.820">to the scanning plane and not to anatomy.</p>
<p begin="00:03:08.820" end="00:03:13.820">The axis terminology<br />refers to anatomy only</p>
<p begin="00:03:13.940" end="00:03:17.730">and plane terminology refers to how to</p>
<p begin="00:03:17.730" end="00:03:20.430">guide the needle into the scanning plane.</p>
<p begin="00:03:20.430" end="00:03:25.430">This shows out-of-plane<br />procedure here, so with only</p>
<p begin="00:03:25.750" end="00:03:29.040">one little point where the<br />needle cuts the scanning plane</p>
<p begin="00:03:29.040" end="00:03:33.490">where as here in an in-plane<br />procedure we ideally see</p>
<p begin="00:03:33.490" end="00:03:36.023">the whole needle in the scanning plane.</p>
<p begin="00:03:37.370" end="00:03:39.430">What else is important before we start?</p>
<p begin="00:03:39.430" end="00:03:41.987">We need to know how to<br />orientate the marker</p>
<p begin="00:03:41.987" end="00:03:45.200">and the probe, so how to<br />put the probe on the patient</p>
<p begin="00:03:45.200" end="00:03:50.160">to have a good orientation<br />with a needle in the patient</p>
<p begin="00:03:50.160" end="00:03:51.790">and on the ultrasound screen.</p>
<p begin="00:03:51.790" end="00:03:55.914">So as a basic rule, we<br />recommend to orientate</p>
<p begin="00:03:55.914" end="00:04:00.000">the probe marker to our own left eye.</p>
<p begin="00:04:00.000" end="00:04:03.240">This results in a good<br />orientation so that the</p>
<p begin="00:04:03.240" end="00:04:06.700">left side on the screen is<br />in fact also the left side</p>
<p begin="00:04:06.700" end="00:04:08.760">of the probe on the patient.</p>
<p begin="00:04:08.760" end="00:04:12.210">This is a general rule of<br />course in some procedures</p>
<p begin="00:04:12.210" end="00:04:14.230">we have exceptions from this.</p>
<p begin="00:04:14.230" end="00:04:18.343">Okay, so marker to the<br />left eye of the examiner.</p>
<p begin="00:04:19.440" end="00:04:23.430">Let's look on some<br />ultrasound-guided interventions.</p>
<p begin="00:04:23.430" end="00:04:28.157">We put the probe on the<br />patient, take a needle, and</p>
<p begin="00:04:29.190" end="00:04:33.710">puncture the skin, and<br />as it happens to be,</p>
<p begin="00:04:33.710" end="00:04:36.360">the needle gets behind the scanning plane</p>
<p begin="00:04:36.360" end="00:04:38.063">and so we create a hematoma.</p>
<p begin="00:04:39.614" end="00:04:41.630">With our other needle,<br />get a second hematoma,</p>
<p begin="00:04:41.630" end="00:04:44.113">try again, get a third hematoma.</p>
<p begin="00:04:45.770" end="00:04:48.420">This is the situation that, to be honest,</p>
<p begin="00:04:48.420" end="00:04:51.883">happens again and again,<br />so, what was wrong here?</p>
<p begin="00:04:52.880" end="00:04:56.810">Ultrasound as such, doesn't<br />really improve anything,</p>
<p begin="00:04:56.810" end="00:05:01.093">so in this case, there<br />was no needle tip control.</p>
<p begin="00:05:01.960" end="00:05:05.120">Remember, never lose your needle tip.</p>
<p begin="00:05:05.120" end="00:05:10.120">For this, we need methods<br />how to actually achieve this.</p>
<p begin="00:05:11.510" end="00:05:15.760">Let's go over some basic<br />probe handling methods.</p>
<p begin="00:05:15.760" end="00:05:19.770">First of all, in another<br />plane procedure, we recommend</p>
<p begin="00:05:19.770" end="00:05:23.610">to direct the bevel of the<br />needle towards the probe.</p>
<p begin="00:05:23.610" end="00:05:28.610">The reason is, once the needle<br />gets into the scanning plane,</p>
<p begin="00:05:29.200" end="00:05:33.470">the bevel of the needle<br />creates a good reflection</p>
<p begin="00:05:33.470" end="00:05:35.540">of the sound waves back to the probe,</p>
<p begin="00:05:35.540" end="00:05:39.030">whereas when you direct<br />the bevel downwards</p>
<p begin="00:05:39.030" end="00:05:44.030">or if you insert the needle too deeply,</p>
<p begin="00:05:44.350" end="00:05:47.710">then you will have the same conditions for</p>
<p begin="00:05:47.710" end="00:05:49.820">the sound reflection, so part of the sound</p>
<p begin="00:05:49.820" end="00:05:52.510">is being reflected away from the probe</p>
<p begin="00:05:52.510" end="00:05:56.513">so you won't have a good ultrasound image.</p>
<p begin="00:05:57.560" end="00:05:59.780">Bevel up is important in ultrasound</p>
<p begin="00:06:00.650" end="00:06:02.053">out-of-plane procedures.</p>
<p begin="00:06:03.570" end="00:06:06.690">Let's look at in-plane procedures.</p>
<p begin="00:06:06.690" end="00:06:10.550">Whenever it is possible<br />we try to have a parallel</p>
<p begin="00:06:10.550" end="00:06:14.250">needle path in relation to the footprint.</p>
<p begin="00:06:14.250" end="00:06:18.440">This creates good reflections of</p>
<p begin="00:06:18.440" end="00:06:21.010">the sound waves back to the probe.</p>
<p begin="00:06:21.010" end="00:06:23.180">Of course, in this case, the bevel</p>
<p begin="00:06:23.180" end="00:06:26.330">is directly towards the probe, too.</p>
<p begin="00:06:26.330" end="00:06:29.560">This is possible, let's say, in distal</p>
<p begin="00:06:29.560" end="00:06:34.560">sciatic nerve blocks<br />or in temp blocks, too.</p>
<p begin="00:06:35.050" end="00:06:38.913">But we may have anatomic<br />situations where this is difficult.</p>
<p begin="00:06:40.194" end="00:06:42.444">The angle of the needle<br />is a littler steeper.</p>
<p begin="00:06:43.590" end="00:06:46.383">In vascular axis in a subclavian axis,</p>
<p begin="00:06:47.300" end="00:06:51.350">there's no option to have<br />this parallel needle path</p>
<p begin="00:06:51.350" end="00:06:54.480">in relation to the footprint,<br />so what would we do?</p>
<p begin="00:06:54.480" end="00:06:59.480">As a very simple method, we<br />can try to work with our probe.</p>
<p begin="00:06:59.530" end="00:07:03.350">This is probe handling<br />again, this is the situation.</p>
<p begin="00:07:03.350" end="00:07:06.230">Most of the sound energy<br />is being reflected</p>
<p begin="00:07:06.230" end="00:07:10.000">away from the probe, so what we try to do,</p>
<p begin="00:07:10.000" end="00:07:12.950">whenever it is possible anatomically,</p>
<p begin="00:07:12.950" end="00:07:17.950">we slightly put emphasis<br />on one corner of the probe</p>
<p begin="00:07:17.960" end="00:07:20.370">to have a more parallel<br />course of the needle</p>
<p begin="00:07:20.370" end="00:07:22.730">in relation to the footprint, and hence</p>
<p begin="00:07:22.730" end="00:07:25.243">we get better sound reflection.</p>
<p begin="00:07:28.030" end="00:07:33.030">This method is also available<br />as a software solution</p>
<p begin="00:07:34.730" end="00:07:39.563">of some manufacturers which we see here.</p>
<p begin="00:07:41.410" end="00:07:46.120">Normally we believe that the<br />sound wave actually travels</p>
<p begin="00:07:46.120" end="00:07:48.910">in a perpendicular<br />direction from the footprint</p>
<p begin="00:07:50.120" end="00:07:52.940">into the tissue, but we can actually tell</p>
<p begin="00:07:52.940" end="00:07:57.820">the piezo crystals to angulate and to send</p>
<p begin="00:07:57.820" end="00:08:01.810">the sound wave in a specific angle</p>
<p begin="00:08:01.810" end="00:08:03.110">in relation to the footprint.</p>
<p begin="00:08:03.110" end="00:08:06.250">This is shown here so you see this line</p>
<p begin="00:08:06.250" end="00:08:08.490">with the little points<br />and this is actually</p>
<p begin="00:08:08.490" end="00:08:10.840">the direction of the sound waves</p>
<p begin="00:08:10.840" end="00:08:13.770">which are directed toward<br />the target structure.</p>
<p begin="00:08:13.770" end="00:08:18.210">So we have the probe sitting<br />on top of the ultrasound</p>
<p begin="00:08:18.210" end="00:08:22.220">image here and now the sound<br />travels onto this catheter</p>
<p begin="00:08:22.220" end="00:08:25.440">and therefore creates excellent sound</p>
<p begin="00:08:25.440" end="00:08:28.160">reflections back to the probe.</p>
<p begin="00:08:28.160" end="00:08:32.503">This is shown here in a pleural catheter,</p>
<p begin="00:08:33.640" end="00:08:36.050">but there is one thing<br />you gotta keep in mind</p>
<p begin="00:08:36.050" end="00:08:40.620">because beyond this line<br />with the little dots,</p>
<p begin="00:08:40.620" end="00:08:44.510">the image isn't as good<br />as inside this field.</p>
<p begin="00:08:44.510" end="00:08:49.510">The reason is that not many piezos</p>
<p begin="00:08:50.230" end="00:08:54.320">create the beam out image in this area.</p>
<p begin="00:08:54.320" end="00:08:59.210">Whenever you use this software solution,</p>
<p begin="00:08:59.210" end="00:09:03.320">you gotta keep in mind not<br />to have your target structure</p>
<p begin="00:09:03.320" end="00:09:06.670">outside of this field<br />so just don't go here</p>
<p begin="00:09:06.670" end="00:09:10.260">because the visibility of<br />your needle will be worse</p>
<p begin="00:09:10.260" end="00:09:12.823">than not having this mode on.</p>
<p begin="00:09:15.510" end="00:09:17.050">Let's talk about hardware solutions.</p>
<p begin="00:09:17.050" end="00:09:19.470">Of course we all know echogenic needles</p>
<p begin="00:09:19.470" end="00:09:21.610">and they have got these little</p>
<p begin="00:09:21.610" end="00:09:24.690">corner stones inside that create a</p>
<p begin="00:09:24.690" end="00:09:29.080">better reflection despite<br />very steep angles.</p>
<p begin="00:09:29.080" end="00:09:30.310">This is what we can see here.</p>
<p begin="00:09:30.310" end="00:09:34.480">You see a normal needle<br />which actually goes in in a</p>
<p begin="00:09:34.480" end="00:09:37.430">quite shallow angle and<br />the ultrasound needle is</p>
<p begin="00:09:37.430" end="00:09:42.090">inserted much steeper and<br />creates a much brighter signal.</p>
<p begin="00:09:42.090" end="00:09:44.083">On the second image, you see<br />a very steep angle on the</p>
<p begin="00:09:44.083" end="00:09:47.670">ultrasound needle side and on the</p>
<p begin="00:09:47.670" end="00:09:51.560">other side you only see a slight shadow,</p>
<p begin="00:09:51.560" end="00:09:54.530">so there are no reflections<br />of the needle shaft</p>
<p begin="00:09:54.530" end="00:09:57.290">back to the probe, but because the needle</p>
<p begin="00:09:57.290" end="00:10:01.890">is perfectly placed in the<br />center of the scanning plane,</p>
<p begin="00:10:01.890" end="00:10:05.300">it creates a shadow below the needle</p>
<p begin="00:10:05.300" end="00:10:09.740">so you only have an indirect<br />vision of this needle.</p>
<p begin="00:10:09.740" end="00:10:13.890">Whenever you have very<br />steep puncture angles</p>
<p begin="00:10:13.890" end="00:10:18.030">or you work very close<br />to vulnerable structures</p>
<p begin="00:10:18.030" end="00:10:21.483">like the pleural, you wind<br />up using an echogenic needle.</p>
<p begin="00:10:22.750" end="00:10:26.720">As an example, we present a vascular axis</p>
<p begin="00:10:26.720" end="00:10:30.393">of the axillary vein<br />on the subclavian vein.</p>
<p begin="00:10:31.589" end="00:10:35.730">What you see here is the<br />normal sonar anatomy.</p>
<p begin="00:10:35.730" end="00:10:40.540">On the medial side, we<br />look at the vein with</p>
<p begin="00:10:40.540" end="00:10:44.540">the typical double<br />pulsation and and lateral</p>
<p begin="00:10:44.540" end="00:10:47.940">from this we have the subclavian artery</p>
<p begin="00:10:47.940" end="00:10:52.940">Again, lateral, we see structures<br />more echogenic structures</p>
<p begin="00:10:54.300" end="00:10:58.320">which represent the brachial plexus.</p>
<p begin="00:10:58.320" end="00:11:01.120">On the other side, you<br />see the pleural with some</p>
<p begin="00:11:01.120" end="00:11:05.170">lung sliding under the<br />plexus structures you see</p>
<p begin="00:11:05.170" end="00:11:08.703">a little bit of a bone<br />shadow; this is the rib.</p>
<p begin="00:11:09.920" end="00:11:13.170">We only use this ultrasound image as</p>
<p begin="00:11:13.170" end="00:11:16.530">a general anatomical<br />orientation so we want</p>
<p begin="00:11:16.530" end="00:11:19.170">to do the puncture in long axis.</p>
<p begin="00:11:19.170" end="00:11:21.230">So for this we rotate the probe,</p>
<p begin="00:11:21.230" end="00:11:26.230">we deliberately place<br />the clavicle on the image</p>
<p begin="00:11:26.630" end="00:11:31.070">so it's just under the<br />pictogram under the body marker.</p>
<p begin="00:11:31.070" end="00:11:34.320">Now we've got the subclavian<br />vein in long axis,</p>
<p begin="00:11:34.320" end="00:11:37.840">and under the vein<br />we've got the first rib,</p>
<p begin="00:11:37.840" end="00:11:41.410">and then we've got pleurae<br />and the second rib.</p>
<p begin="00:11:41.410" end="00:11:44.410">As we know that the artery<br />is lateral to the vein,</p>
<p begin="00:11:44.410" end="00:11:47.210">we just check it to be certain,</p>
<p begin="00:11:47.210" end="00:11:49.480">to be also safe for the patient.</p>
<p begin="00:11:49.480" end="00:11:54.440">We check the artery and in best conditions</p>
<p begin="00:11:54.440" end="00:11:56.610">we also might place<br />the pulsed wave Doppler</p>
<p begin="00:11:56.610" end="00:12:00.430">inside here and go back to the vein.</p>
<p begin="00:12:00.430" end="00:12:04.270">We take an ultrasound needle<br />because it's a steep angle</p>
<p begin="00:12:04.270" end="00:12:08.649">and the direction of the<br />needle is towards the first rib</p>
<p begin="00:12:08.649" end="00:12:13.649">as an additional safety feature<br />not to cause a pneumothorax.</p>
<p begin="00:12:16.380" end="00:12:20.690">Here, again, you can see how the</p>
<p begin="00:12:20.690" end="00:12:25.613">guidewire is placed<br />directly into the vessel.</p>
<p begin="00:12:26.640" end="00:12:30.520">Some experienced users,<br />they do not use syringes</p>
<p begin="00:12:30.520" end="00:12:33.690">anymore on the needle,<br />so they pre-position</p>
<p begin="00:12:33.690" end="00:12:37.140">the guidewire inside the needle and then</p>
<p begin="00:12:37.140" end="00:12:39.930">place the needle tip<br />inside the vessel under</p>
<p begin="00:12:39.930" end="00:12:43.593">direct vision and then insert<br />the guidewire directly.</p>
<p begin="00:12:44.510" end="00:12:49.423">This is quite smart, but<br />only for experienced users.</p>
<p begin="00:12:50.660" end="00:12:54.620">What else is available<br />on the hardware side?</p>
<p begin="00:12:54.620" end="00:12:59.620">We have options to have an</p>
<p begin="00:13:00.060" end="00:13:03.400">in-plane guidance for probes.</p>
<p begin="00:13:03.400" end="00:13:06.030">There is a little plastic clip which we</p>
<p begin="00:13:06.030" end="00:13:09.873">connect to the probe, then<br />we have a sterile cover.</p>
<p begin="00:13:10.820" end="00:13:12.480">On the lateral side of<br />the probe, we've got</p>
<p begin="00:13:12.480" end="00:13:15.150">this little device that keeps the needle</p>
<p begin="00:13:15.150" end="00:13:19.840">inside the scanning plane<br />only for in-plane procedures.</p>
<p begin="00:13:19.840" end="00:13:21.735">This is the result.</p>
<p begin="00:13:21.735" end="00:13:25.620">It kind of prevents on<br />the one hand the lateral</p>
<p begin="00:13:25.620" end="00:13:27.990">displacement of the<br />needle in relation to the</p>
<p begin="00:13:27.990" end="00:13:31.330">scanning plane and also prevents the</p>
<p begin="00:13:31.330" end="00:13:35.210">rotation error so that the needle is</p>
<p begin="00:13:35.210" end="00:13:38.363">not in the same direction<br />as the scanning plane.</p>
<p begin="00:13:39.730" end="00:13:43.980">So we show this device again</p>
<p begin="00:13:43.980" end="00:13:48.230">on a subclavian vein puncture here.</p>
<p begin="00:13:48.230" end="00:13:50.280">The needle is inserted, and you see here</p>
<p begin="00:13:50.280" end="00:13:52.050">that the needle is just slightly too short</p>
<p begin="00:13:52.050" end="00:13:56.240">so we move the probe<br />away a tiny little bit</p>
<p begin="00:13:56.240" end="00:13:59.220">until we safely get into the vessel</p>
<p begin="00:13:59.220" end="00:14:01.477">and here we see the<br />technique how to pre-position</p>
<p begin="00:14:01.477" end="00:14:04.150">the guidewire and very cautiously</p>
<p begin="00:14:05.160" end="00:14:07.783">insert it into the vessel.</p>
<p begin="00:14:08.650" end="00:14:11.430">This is something we would<br />really recommend you to do.</p>
<p begin="00:14:11.430" end="00:14:13.743">This is a guidewire control.</p>
<p begin="00:14:15.610" end="00:14:18.970">Because of the material of the guidewire,</p>
<p begin="00:14:18.970" end="00:14:23.660">we have very good<br />reflections, so it takes only</p>
<p begin="00:14:23.660" end="00:14:27.940">a few seconds and you are certain<br />where the guidewire is in.</p>
<p begin="00:14:27.940" end="00:14:32.690">You can do this in short<br />axis as just shown and also</p>
<p begin="00:14:32.690" end="00:14:35.843">you can rotate the probe<br />and see it in long axis.</p>
<p begin="00:14:38.560" end="00:14:42.610">Now we've presented some<br />probe handling techniques</p>
<p begin="00:14:42.610" end="00:14:45.630">on how to improve needle tip control.</p>
<p begin="00:14:45.630" end="00:14:47.620">We have presented some software solutions,</p>
<p begin="00:14:47.620" end="00:14:49.750">some hardware solutions, but now</p>
<p begin="00:14:49.750" end="00:14:53.550">we're coming to the most important thing,</p>
<p begin="00:14:53.550" end="00:14:55.210">the needle navigation techniques</p>
<p begin="00:14:55.210" end="00:14:58.470">which you can use in any case,</p>
<p begin="00:14:58.470" end="00:15:03.470">whether you have any hardware<br />or software assistance or not.</p>
<p begin="00:15:03.610" end="00:15:08.040">We have divided these method into</p>
<p begin="00:15:08.040" end="00:15:11.720">those for beginners, so we<br />talk about angle navigation</p>
<p begin="00:15:11.720" end="00:15:15.610">and a walk-down technique<br />with angle adjustment.</p>
<p begin="00:15:15.610" end="00:15:18.070">For more advanced users, we talk about</p>
<p begin="00:15:18.070" end="00:15:20.930">the walk-down technique<br />with probe alignment</p>
<p begin="00:15:20.930" end="00:15:25.577">and at the end, the<br />smartest and, as we believe,</p>
<p begin="00:15:25.577" end="00:15:29.070">the safest technique<br />is walk-down technique</p>
<p begin="00:15:29.070" end="00:15:32.640">with probe alignment and probe rotation,</p>
<p begin="00:15:32.640" end="00:15:34.640">so let's go over this.</p>
<p begin="00:15:34.640" end="00:15:39.640">Angle navigation is a<br />rough orientation on how to</p>
<p begin="00:15:40.010" end="00:15:42.910">navigate the needle in the patient.</p>
<p begin="00:15:42.910" end="00:15:44.850">Let's go over it in an example.</p>
<p begin="00:15:44.850" end="00:15:47.180">We place the probe on the patient,</p>
<p begin="00:15:47.180" end="00:15:49.440">and the probe sits on the patient</p>
<p begin="00:15:49.440" end="00:15:52.793">in a perpendicular angle on the skin.</p>
<p begin="00:15:54.270" end="00:15:57.773">We try to find out how deep<br />is our target structure.</p>
<p begin="00:15:58.920" end="00:16:01.450">We look on the ultrasound<br />image and we see it here.</p>
<p begin="00:16:01.450" end="00:16:04.180">We aim for the 12 o' clock position</p>
<p begin="00:16:04.180" end="00:16:07.670">of the target structure<br />and we reach the depth</p>
<p begin="00:16:07.670" end="00:16:11.140">on the lateral side of<br />the ultrasound image.</p>
<p begin="00:16:11.140" end="00:16:13.810">We take this depth, which is roughly</p>
<p begin="00:16:13.810" end="00:16:17.110">one centimeter in this case, and we take</p>
<p begin="00:16:17.110" end="00:16:20.260">the same distance away from the probe,</p>
<p begin="00:16:20.260" end="00:16:22.710">so we don't talk about distance from the</p>
<p begin="00:16:22.710" end="00:16:25.090">plastic cover of the probe, we talk about</p>
<p begin="00:16:25.090" end="00:16:27.190">the distance where the scanning plane</p>
<p begin="00:16:27.190" end="00:16:30.950">actually sits on the footprint.</p>
<p begin="00:16:30.950" end="00:16:34.200">By this, we create a rectangle,</p>
<p begin="00:16:34.200" end="00:16:35.710">and then we penetrate the skin.</p>
<p begin="00:16:35.710" end="00:16:38.610">Use 45 degrees, and then you can</p>
<p begin="00:16:38.610" end="00:16:41.010">puncture your target structure.</p>
<p begin="00:16:41.010" end="00:16:45.840">However, this method is<br />somewhat unsafe. Why?</p>
<p begin="00:16:45.840" end="00:16:50.430">Because having all the correct<br />angles is not very easy.</p>
<p begin="00:16:50.430" end="00:16:55.150">So, using a steeper angle,<br />let's say instead of 45 degrees,</p>
<p begin="00:16:55.150" end="00:16:59.080">you were using 50 degrees or 60 degrees,</p>
<p begin="00:16:59.080" end="00:17:02.320">you would actually penetrate<br />the target structure before</p>
<p begin="00:17:02.320" end="00:17:04.020">you have even seen the needle tip</p>
<p begin="00:17:04.020" end="00:17:07.760">enter in the scanning plane,<br />so this might be dangerous.</p>
<p begin="00:17:07.760" end="00:17:12.050">On the other hand, using<br />a 40 or 35 degree angle,</p>
<p begin="00:17:12.050" end="00:17:15.720">you will reach the scanning plane</p>
<p begin="00:17:15.720" end="00:17:18.790">before you are in the<br />12 o' clock position,</p>
<p begin="00:17:18.790" end="00:17:22.750">so you may get the needle<br />tip behind the scanning plane</p>
<p begin="00:17:22.750" end="00:17:24.633">and this is not wanted.</p>
<p begin="00:17:25.800" end="00:17:28.540">This is a method which is<br />suitable for superficial</p>
<p begin="00:17:28.540" end="00:17:32.233">structures like in vascular axis</p>
<p begin="00:17:32.233" end="00:17:35.630">where you wanna actually penetrate the</p>
<p begin="00:17:35.630" end="00:17:39.100">target structure anyway, but we wouldn't</p>
<p begin="00:17:39.100" end="00:17:42.890">recommend it to use in nerve plots.</p>
<p begin="00:17:42.890" end="00:17:45.170">So we show you an example.</p>
<p begin="00:17:45.170" end="00:17:48.450">This is a vascular axis in a</p>
<p begin="00:17:48.450" end="00:17:52.080">femoral artery on the left side.</p>
<p begin="00:17:52.080" end="00:17:55.070">So you see in the ultrasound film</p>
<p begin="00:17:55.070" end="00:17:57.800">that there is some tissue movement in the</p>
<p begin="00:17:57.800" end="00:18:00.740">12 o' clock position right<br />now and you see the needle tip</p>
<p begin="00:18:00.740" end="00:18:05.570">being inserted into the<br />artery and then here again</p>
<p begin="00:18:05.570" end="00:18:07.450">you see the guidewire being inserted</p>
<p begin="00:18:07.450" end="00:18:10.020">on the spot, so it was pre-positioned.</p>
<p begin="00:18:10.020" end="00:18:14.350">So we look at it again, and<br />see the motion of the tissue,</p>
<p begin="00:18:14.350" end="00:18:17.490">you see the needletip and the guidewire.</p>
<p begin="00:18:17.490" end="00:18:22.130">It's a good method, however,<br />as we said, rather use it</p>
<p begin="00:18:22.130" end="00:18:26.543">for superficial structures<br />and for vascular axis.</p>
<p begin="00:18:27.470" end="00:18:32.180">In deep structures, it is<br />quite easy to understand</p>
<p begin="00:18:32.180" end="00:18:36.520">that the errors of using the wrong angles</p>
<p begin="00:18:36.520" end="00:18:38.993">actually get greater and greater.</p>
<p begin="00:18:40.580" end="00:18:44.283">What methods do we have<br />to improve this situation?</p>
<p begin="00:18:45.680" end="00:18:48.790">Let's have a look on the<br />walk-down technique with angle</p>
<p begin="00:18:48.790" end="00:18:53.343">adjustment, which was actually<br />published in 2006 already.</p>
<p begin="00:18:54.439" end="00:18:56.670">In this case, we place the<br />probe on the patient again,</p>
<p begin="00:18:56.670" end="00:18:59.780">as we always do, and we insert the needle</p>
<p begin="00:18:59.780" end="00:19:03.360">in a very shallow angle, so on purpose</p>
<p begin="00:19:03.360" end="00:19:07.010">we want to get into the scanning plane</p>
<p begin="00:19:07.010" end="00:19:09.810">in a distant to the target structure.</p>
<p begin="00:19:09.810" end="00:19:13.140">First of all, we want to<br />identify the needle tip.</p>
<p begin="00:19:13.140" end="00:19:18.140">This is what we see on the<br />ultrasound clip on a IJ axis,</p>
<p begin="00:19:19.790" end="00:19:24.543">so we see the needle tip in<br />the sternocleidomastoid muscle.</p>
<p begin="00:19:26.100" end="00:19:30.460">We withdraw the needle<br />and we adjust the angle</p>
<p begin="00:19:30.460" end="00:19:35.450">to a steeper angle, insert<br />the needle again until we get</p>
<p begin="00:19:35.450" end="00:19:39.430">the first reflects of the needle<br />tip in the scanning plane.</p>
<p begin="00:19:39.430" end="00:19:40.280">Have a look here.</p>
<p begin="00:19:41.550" end="00:19:45.680">The needle tip slowly<br />approaches step wise,</p>
<p begin="00:19:45.680" end="00:19:49.460">the 12 o' clock position<br />of the target structure.</p>
<p begin="00:19:49.460" end="00:19:52.230">You might do this again; you might do it</p>
<p begin="00:19:52.230" end="00:19:56.670">two, three, or four<br />times, whatever is needed,</p>
<p begin="00:19:56.670" end="00:19:58.630">until you are on the 12 o' clock position</p>
<p begin="00:19:58.630" end="00:20:00.970">and then you see how the needle tip</p>
<p begin="00:20:01.890" end="00:20:06.380">sits on top of the vessel<br />with the largest diameter</p>
<p begin="00:20:06.380" end="00:20:11.243">just under the needle tip,<br />then you can put the needle in.</p>
<p begin="00:20:12.660" end="00:20:15.450">Here again, there might be<br />some disadvantages because</p>
<p begin="00:20:15.450" end="00:20:19.290">you've got quite a lot of needle passes.</p>
<p begin="00:20:19.290" end="00:20:22.510">Especially with patients<br />on the ICU, with a lot of</p>
<p begin="00:20:22.510" end="00:20:27.310">Aprinol, with coagulation<br />abnormalities, you may not</p>
<p begin="00:20:27.310" end="00:20:32.310">want to have any needle<br />passes so to improve this</p>
<p begin="00:20:32.710" end="00:20:37.260">with another technique,<br />whenever anatomically possible,</p>
<p begin="00:20:37.260" end="00:20:41.470">so we need some anatomical<br />space for the probe</p>
<p begin="00:20:41.470" end="00:20:45.510">to actually be moved over the patient,</p>
<p begin="00:20:45.510" end="00:20:50.510">so the angle of needle<br />insertion is basically the same,</p>
<p begin="00:20:51.050" end="00:20:53.900">aiming on an early identification</p>
<p begin="00:20:53.900" end="00:20:56.790">of the needle tip very close to the probe.</p>
<p begin="00:20:56.790" end="00:20:59.720">When the first reflect<br />occurs we stop the needle,</p>
<p begin="00:20:59.720" end="00:21:03.360">move the probe, forward<br />the needle, stop again,</p>
<p begin="00:21:03.360" end="00:21:07.100">move the probe, and insert<br />the needle a little more</p>
<p begin="00:21:07.100" end="00:21:09.300">until we get to the 12 o' clock position.</p>
<p begin="00:21:09.300" end="00:21:13.270">Then we can puncture the vessel.</p>
<p begin="00:21:13.270" end="00:21:17.850">This is a step-wise approach where either</p>
<p begin="00:21:17.850" end="00:21:20.730">the needle moves or the probe.</p>
<p begin="00:21:20.730" end="00:21:23.260">This is very important information.</p>
<p begin="00:21:23.260" end="00:21:25.690">Don't move both at the same time.</p>
<p begin="00:21:25.690" end="00:21:29.763">So, either the needle or the probe.</p>
<p begin="00:21:30.860" end="00:21:32.930">Let's have a look at<br />this in a different way,</p>
<p begin="00:21:32.930" end="00:21:36.633">in a nerve block animation.</p>
<p begin="00:21:38.945" end="00:21:41.470">The needle tip is in the scanning plane</p>
<p begin="00:21:41.470" end="00:21:46.440">and we stop the needle, we<br />move the probe just slightly,</p>
<p begin="00:21:46.440" end="00:21:49.930">very tiny little walk-down maneuvers.</p>
<p begin="00:21:49.930" end="00:21:53.710">We insert the needle again to get another</p>
<p begin="00:21:53.710" end="00:21:56.730">needle tip reflect on<br />the ultrasound screen.</p>
<p begin="00:21:56.730" end="00:22:01.730">We do this again and again<br />until we approach the nerve.</p>
<p begin="00:22:04.050" end="00:22:06.694">Now we look from a different angle</p>
<p begin="00:22:06.694" end="00:22:08.650">and the scanning plane now.</p>
<p begin="00:22:08.650" end="00:22:12.710">Tiny, little maneuvers<br />once we get very close</p>
<p begin="00:22:12.710" end="00:22:15.150">to the target structure and now</p>
<p begin="00:22:15.150" end="00:22:18.510">we can inject the local anesthetic.</p>
<p begin="00:22:18.510" end="00:22:23.510">However, shown here we have<br />chosen the 12 o' clock position,</p>
<p begin="00:22:24.870" end="00:22:27.090">but usually in nerve blocks we don't want</p>
<p begin="00:22:27.090" end="00:22:28.910">the 12 o' clock position so we wanna have</p>
<p begin="00:22:28.910" end="00:22:33.640">a tangential needle pass<br />to the nine o' clock</p>
<p begin="00:22:33.640" end="00:22:36.333">or the three o' clock<br />positions in order to</p>
<p begin="00:22:36.333" end="00:22:41.200">not accidentally get into the nerve.</p>
<p begin="00:22:41.200" end="00:22:45.210">But this method is certainly very good</p>
<p begin="00:22:45.210" end="00:22:47.903">for nerve blocks in general.</p>
<p begin="00:22:50.580" end="00:22:55.580">Coming to the last procedure,<br />where we think it is the</p>
<p begin="00:22:55.840" end="00:22:59.180">safest and the best and<br />the one you will have the</p>
<p begin="00:22:59.180" end="00:23:04.180">most fun with, this is<br />the walk-down technique</p>
<p begin="00:23:04.420" end="00:23:07.460">with probe alignment and probe rotation</p>
<p begin="00:23:07.460" end="00:23:10.430">at the very end of this procedure.</p>
<p begin="00:23:10.430" end="00:23:11.482">The beginning is exactly the same</p>
<p begin="00:23:11.482" end="00:23:12.315">like in the method shown before,</p>
<p begin="00:23:12.315" end="00:23:13.148">so we just show the last step here on</p>
<p begin="00:23:13.148" end="00:23:18.148">how to get to the 12 o' clock position.</p>
<p begin="00:23:20.220" end="00:23:22.560">Now, you don't keep on going with the</p>
<p begin="00:23:22.560" end="00:23:26.160">needle and complete the procedure.</p>
<p begin="00:23:26.160" end="00:23:29.143">First of all, you rotate the probe.</p>
<p begin="00:23:30.570" end="00:23:35.570">We had a short axis view before<br />and an out-of-plane needle</p>
<p begin="00:23:36.200" end="00:23:40.180">approach and now we get,<br />through the probe rotation,</p>
<p begin="00:23:40.180" end="00:23:45.180">an in-plane picture of<br />the needle and a long axis</p>
<p begin="00:23:45.800" end="00:23:48.750">picture of the anatomical structure.</p>
<p begin="00:23:48.750" end="00:23:52.480">Then we can insert the<br />needle under full vision.</p>
<p begin="00:23:52.480" end="00:23:55.400">You see this on the ultrasound image here.</p>
<p begin="00:23:55.400" end="00:23:59.530">IJ puncture, you also<br />can see that very easily</p>
<p begin="00:23:59.530" end="00:24:01.073">you get kissing walls<br />and you may have passed</p>
<p begin="00:24:01.073" end="00:24:04.540">through the posterior<br />wall which you only see</p>
<p begin="00:24:05.760" end="00:24:10.563">that well in in-plane<br />and long axis procedures.</p>
<p begin="00:24:12.320" end="00:24:16.300">Again here, you may insert<br />the guidewire either</p>
<p begin="00:24:16.300" end="00:24:18.840">with pre-positioning or you may,</p>
<p begin="00:24:18.840" end="00:24:21.070">as most of us have probably used, too,</p>
<p begin="00:24:21.070" end="00:24:23.460">we may use a syringe<br />and do some aspiration</p>
<p begin="00:24:23.460" end="00:24:25.490">and then insert the guidewire.</p>
<p begin="00:24:25.490" end="00:24:26.830">But, why don't you look at the</p>
<p begin="00:24:26.830" end="00:24:30.290">guidewire while you insert it?</p>
<p begin="00:24:30.290" end="00:24:33.350">Because we all know the<br />case that for some reason</p>
<p begin="00:24:33.350" end="00:24:35.040">we get blood out of the vessel,</p>
<p begin="00:24:35.040" end="00:24:37.760">but then can't insert the guidewire.</p>
<p begin="00:24:37.760" end="00:24:39.500">With ultrasound you might easily</p>
<p begin="00:24:39.500" end="00:24:41.150">visualize what the problem is.</p>
<p begin="00:24:41.150" end="00:24:45.430">Either it is not inside<br />the vessel or it has</p>
<p begin="00:24:45.430" end="00:24:49.130">actually gone through<br />the posterior wall, or,</p>
<p begin="00:24:49.130" end="00:24:51.690">third option, something in the vessel</p>
<p begin="00:24:53.910" end="00:24:58.910">is obstructing the guidewire<br />like thrombosis or something.</p>
<p begin="00:25:00.820" end="00:25:03.580">Let's have a look at nerve<br />blocks with the same method.</p>
<p begin="00:25:03.580" end="00:25:08.580">So we show again the last walk-down steps.</p>
<p begin="00:25:09.100" end="00:25:12.290">In this case to the 12 o' clock position</p>
<p begin="00:25:13.770" end="00:25:18.630">and then, in a little<br />distance we rotate the probe</p>
<p begin="00:25:18.630" end="00:25:23.060">so that the last step towards the</p>
<p begin="00:25:23.060" end="00:25:26.573">vulnerable nerve structure<br />is very well controlled.</p>
<p begin="00:25:31.821" end="00:25:33.654">What else is an issue?</p>
<p begin="00:25:34.710" end="00:25:35.820">Look at this.</p>
<p begin="00:25:35.820" end="00:25:39.690">So especially nerve<br />blocks, we have a situation</p>
<p begin="00:25:39.690" end="00:25:43.740">that the visibility of<br />nerves varies a lot and</p>
<p begin="00:25:43.740" end="00:25:46.660">is dependent on the angle of insonation.</p>
<p begin="00:25:48.031" end="00:25:50.970">So we put the probe on the nerve</p>
<p begin="00:25:50.970" end="00:25:53.880">and now the reflection is not very good</p>
<p begin="00:25:53.880" end="00:25:56.680">because it's not the<br />perpendicular angle on the</p>
<p begin="00:25:56.680" end="00:26:00.010">course of the nerve so we<br />slightly tilt the probe</p>
<p begin="00:26:00.010" end="00:26:03.560">to get a very good image<br />on the ultrasound screen,</p>
<p begin="00:26:03.560" end="00:26:08.560">and then, using a short<br />axis and in-plane approach,</p>
<p begin="00:26:08.700" end="00:26:13.650">it may be an issue that, for<br />some reason it happens, that</p>
<p begin="00:26:13.650" end="00:26:16.810">the needle is not in the scanning<br />plane, so what do you do?</p>
<p begin="00:26:16.810" end="00:26:18.770">Do you move the needle or what do you do?</p>
<p begin="00:26:18.770" end="00:26:22.970">So if you took the probe,<br />you may lose your image.</p>
<p begin="00:26:22.970" end="00:26:27.230">What you do instead, you do<br />a little parallel sliding</p>
<p begin="00:26:27.230" end="00:26:31.470">of the probe, keeping the<br />angle so you hopefully get</p>
<p begin="00:26:31.470" end="00:26:35.480">a good image and a good<br />identification of the needle</p>
<p begin="00:26:35.480" end="00:26:40.460">for safe approach towards the nerve.</p>
<p begin="00:26:40.460" end="00:26:44.590">Also, in in-plane procedures,<br />you may have a rotation error</p>
<p begin="00:26:44.590" end="00:26:49.590">so that the needle path<br />is not perfectly aligned</p>
<p begin="00:26:50.130" end="00:26:52.840">with the scanning plane<br />and you also of course</p>
<p begin="00:26:52.840" end="00:26:56.603">have to correct this error by rotation.</p>
<p begin="00:26:58.000" end="00:27:02.370">Another thing is the inspection<br />of guidewire position,</p>
<p begin="00:27:02.370" end="00:27:05.820">which we were talking<br />about before already.</p>
<p begin="00:27:05.820" end="00:27:10.810">This is a method that<br />only takes a few seconds</p>
<p begin="00:27:10.810" end="00:27:13.900">and gives you a lot more confidence</p>
<p begin="00:27:13.900" end="00:27:16.050">especially in difficult cases,</p>
<p begin="00:27:16.050" end="00:27:21.050">in cases on ICU with<br />coagulation abnormalities</p>
<p begin="00:27:23.100" end="00:27:28.100">in patients where you need<br />to insert large catheters.</p>
<p begin="00:27:28.530" end="00:27:33.250">As shown here, you see two<br />hyper echogenic dots traveling</p>
<p begin="00:27:33.250" end="00:27:37.447">through the sternocleidomastoid<br />muscle into the IJ.</p>
<p begin="00:27:39.340" end="00:27:43.630">Of course you can do this<br />in short axis as shown here</p>
<p begin="00:27:43.630" end="00:27:48.600">or also in long axis,<br />and then you may proceed</p>
<p begin="00:27:48.600" end="00:27:52.443">with your dilator and put the catheter in.</p>
<p begin="00:27:56.360" end="00:27:59.963">We end up having done<br />successful procedures.</p>
<p begin="00:28:02.970" end="00:28:07.300">We end with the recording<br />here and continue</p>
<p begin="00:28:07.300" end="00:28:10.410">with the recording with the three of us.</p>
<p begin="00:28:10.410" end="00:28:11.510">Thank you.</p>
<p begin="00:28:11.510" end="00:28:15.040">- As a summary of our useful information</p>
<p begin="00:28:15.040" end="00:28:17.820">about safe needle tip control and</p>
<p begin="00:28:17.820" end="00:28:21.000">navigation techniques,<br />we created a poster.</p>
<p begin="00:28:21.000" end="00:28:24.423">The bad news is it's just<br />available in German language.</p>
<p begin="00:28:25.290" end="00:28:28.590">- But, our textbook is available<br />in English and, of course,</p>
<p begin="00:28:28.590" end="00:28:31.893">in German, and you can<br />find it on our webpage.</p>
<p begin="00:28:33.190" end="00:28:36.240">- Coming back to the very<br />beginning of our presentation</p>
<p begin="00:28:36.240" end="00:28:38.500">where we were talking<br />about the three pillars,</p>
<p begin="00:28:38.500" end="00:28:41.670">so the preconditions<br />of safe and successful</p>
<p begin="00:28:41.670" end="00:28:44.810">ultrasound-guided interventions which were</p>
<p begin="00:28:44.810" end="00:28:48.550">probe maneuvers, sonoanatomy,<br />and needle tip control,</p>
<p begin="00:28:48.550" end="00:28:51.170">we would like to add two more pillars,</p>
<p begin="00:28:51.170" end="00:28:54.030">so we have five at the end.</p>
<p begin="00:28:54.030" end="00:28:58.030">We need sustainable teaching<br />concepts and, at the end,</p>
<p begin="00:28:58.030" end="00:29:01.520">we need to practice a lot to achieve more.</p>
<p begin="00:29:01.520" end="00:29:02.720">Thank you for listening.</p>
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Lumps and Bumps of the Knee Part 1: Soft Tissue Masses

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<p begin="00:00:03.720" end="00:00:04.790">- Hi, I'm Dr. Scott Weiss.</p>
<p begin="00:00:04.790" end="00:00:05.740">Today we're gonna talk about</p>
<p begin="00:00:05.740" end="00:00:07.530">lumps and bumps around the knee.</p>
<p begin="00:00:07.530" end="00:00:08.480">I'd like to thank Sonosite</p>
<p begin="00:00:08.480" end="00:00:10.670">for giving me the opportunity to present</p>
<p begin="00:00:10.670" end="00:00:12.393">some interesting cases to you.</p>
<p begin="00:00:13.260" end="00:00:15.470">I'm gonna have a focus<br />essentially on Baker's Cysts</p>
<p begin="00:00:15.470" end="00:00:17.020">because they're so common.</p>
<p begin="00:00:17.020" end="00:00:19.067">And we're gonna discuss<br />different kinds of cysts</p>
<p begin="00:00:19.067" end="00:00:21.530">and also different findings<br />you may see within the cyst,</p>
<p begin="00:00:21.530" end="00:00:23.633">such as septations, loose bodies</p>
<p begin="00:00:23.633" end="00:00:25.740">and multilobular cysts.</p>
<p begin="00:00:25.740" end="00:00:28.140">I had a very interesting<br />case of a combination</p>
<p begin="00:00:28.140" end="00:00:30.440">of a Baker's cyst with a ganglia.</p>
<p begin="00:00:30.440" end="00:00:32.730">Also I'm gonna discuss<br />a ruptured Baker's cyst</p>
<p begin="00:00:32.730" end="00:00:35.680">and findings you can see<br />in the gastrocnemius muscle</p>
<p begin="00:00:35.680" end="00:00:37.760">with a rupture of a Baker's cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:00:37.760" end="00:00:39.250">So Baker's cysts are very common,</p>
<p begin="00:00:39.250" end="00:00:40.870">you see them often with osteoarthritis,</p>
<p begin="00:00:40.870" end="00:00:42.320">you see them with meniscal tears.</p>
<p begin="00:00:42.320" end="00:00:44.790">Even the pediatric<br />population sometimes has them</p>
<p begin="00:00:44.790" end="00:00:45.850">even without any trauma.</p>
<p begin="00:00:45.850" end="00:00:47.540">And very often the pediatric population</p>
<p begin="00:00:47.540" end="00:00:48.840">they will just go away by themselves,</p>
<p begin="00:00:48.840" end="00:00:50.660">but it could take up to a year.</p>
<p begin="00:00:50.660" end="00:00:51.740">In the adult population,</p>
<p begin="00:00:51.740" end="00:00:52.960">I usually don't interfere</p>
<p begin="00:00:52.960" end="00:00:54.290">or do anything to a Baker's cyst</p>
<p begin="00:00:54.290" end="00:00:56.270">if it's not causing any symptoms.</p>
<p begin="00:00:56.270" end="00:00:58.370">Unfortunately, even if<br />you drain a Baker's cyst,</p>
<p begin="00:00:58.370" end="00:01:00.480">it very often comes back.</p>
<p begin="00:01:00.480" end="00:01:01.900">Baker's cysts have been described</p>
<p begin="00:01:01.900" end="00:01:03.961">as distention of the bursa,</p>
<p begin="00:01:03.961" end="00:01:06.540">basically between the<br />medial gastrocnemius tendon</p>
<p begin="00:01:06.540" end="00:01:08.420">and the semimembranosus tendon.</p>
<p begin="00:01:08.420" end="00:01:10.450">Patients that are over 50 years old,</p>
<p begin="00:01:10.450" end="00:01:11.623">50% of those patients have</p>
<p begin="00:01:11.623" end="00:01:13.770">a communication with the knee joint.</p>
<p begin="00:01:13.770" end="00:01:14.960">When you're diagnosed with Baker's cyst</p>
<p begin="00:01:14.960" end="00:01:16.560">you wanna be able to see a stalk</p>
<p begin="00:01:18.279" end="00:01:19.730">that it's basically between the</p>
<p begin="00:01:19.730" end="00:01:21.530">medial gastrocnemius tendon<br />and the semimembranosus tendon.</p>
<p begin="00:01:21.530" end="00:01:24.560">Baker's cysts usually are<br />located distal to the joint,</p>
<p begin="00:01:24.560" end="00:01:26.940">right over the medial<br />gastrocnemius muscle.</p>
<p begin="00:01:26.940" end="00:01:29.330">If you start noticing<br />a cyst more proximally,</p>
<p begin="00:01:29.330" end="00:01:32.180">then you start thinking more<br />of a ganglion type of cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:01:32.180" end="00:01:34.530">If you see a cyst that's<br />underneath the calf musculature</p>
<p begin="00:01:34.530" end="00:01:36.000">and certainly if it looks irregular,</p>
<p begin="00:01:36.000" end="00:01:38.872">with different types of<br />echogenicity within it.</p>
<p begin="00:01:38.872" end="00:01:41.980">Then you actually worry about<br />soft tissue tumor or sarcoma.</p>
<p begin="00:01:41.980" end="00:01:43.210">And certainly that is something that needs</p>
<p begin="00:01:43.210" end="00:01:45.310">to be worked up with MRI imaging.</p>
<p begin="00:01:45.310" end="00:01:48.460">So here is a model of the lower extremity.</p>
<p begin="00:01:48.460" end="00:01:50.770">We're looking essentially at the femur</p>
<p begin="00:01:50.770" end="00:01:52.090">all the way down to the ankle.</p>
<p begin="00:01:52.090" end="00:01:53.957">We can see the posterior<br />aspect of the knee here.</p>
<p begin="00:01:53.957" end="00:01:55.887">And we rotate anteriorly</p>
<p begin="00:01:55.887" end="00:01:58.390">and see the articular surfaces.</p>
<p begin="00:01:58.390" end="00:01:59.730">Most of our focus again is gonna be</p>
<p begin="00:01:59.730" end="00:02:01.483">the posterior aspect of the leg.</p>
<p begin="00:02:03.040" end="00:02:05.000">And here you can see the posterior leg</p>
<p begin="00:02:05.000" end="00:02:07.010">and the posterior aspect<br />of the distal thigh.</p>
<p begin="00:02:07.010" end="00:02:08.860">You can see the plantaris muslce</p>
<p begin="00:02:08.860" end="00:02:11.610">and then very long tendon going distally.</p>
<p begin="00:02:11.610" end="00:02:12.850">Also the popliteus muscle</p>
<p begin="00:02:12.850" end="00:02:14.830">you can see just below the knee joint.</p>
<p begin="00:02:14.830" end="00:02:16.410">And here's the deep<br />muscle compartment going</p>
<p begin="00:02:16.410" end="00:02:17.430">from lateral to medially,</p>
<p begin="00:02:17.430" end="00:02:19.190">you can appreciate the flexor hallicus</p>
<p begin="00:02:19.190" end="00:02:20.120">longs muscle,</p>
<p begin="00:02:20.120" end="00:02:21.640">then the tibialis posterior muscle</p>
<p begin="00:02:21.640" end="00:02:23.967">and then the flexor<br />digitorum longus muscle.</p>
<p begin="00:02:23.967" end="00:02:25.700">The plantaris tendon actually is just</p>
<p begin="00:02:25.700" end="00:02:27.170">superficial to the soleus muscle,</p>
<p begin="00:02:27.170" end="00:02:28.470">which you do not see here.</p>
<p begin="00:02:30.170" end="00:02:31.103">Here we are,</p>
<p begin="00:02:31.103" end="00:02:32.910">we're going to a more involved model</p>
<p begin="00:02:32.910" end="00:02:35.210">with the muscles of the hamstrings.</p>
<p begin="00:02:35.210" end="00:02:36.043">You can see the short</p>
<p begin="00:02:36.043" end="00:02:38.350">and long head of the biceps<br />femoris muscle laterally.</p>
<p begin="00:02:38.350" end="00:02:39.183">And then medially</p>
<p begin="00:02:39.183" end="00:02:41.760">you can see the<br />semimembranosus muscle/tendon,</p>
<p begin="00:02:41.760" end="00:02:44.373">with the semitendinosus<br />muscle/tendon above that.</p>
<p begin="00:02:48.910" end="00:02:49.950">Baker's cyst you can see</p>
<p begin="00:02:49.950" end="00:02:51.950">above the medial gastrocnemius muscle.</p>
<p begin="00:02:51.950" end="00:02:52.783">And within this Baker's cyst</p>
<p begin="00:02:52.783" end="00:02:54.863">you can see some loose bodies and septi.</p>
<p begin="00:02:55.850" end="00:02:57.850">Here on the sagittal type of perspective</p>
<p begin="00:02:57.850" end="00:03:00.480">you see how it just slides<br />superficial to the medial</p>
<p begin="00:03:00.480" end="00:03:02.000">gastrocnemius muscle,</p>
<p begin="00:03:02.000" end="00:03:04.863">making it a relatively<br />safe bursa to aspirate.</p>
<p begin="00:03:08.430" end="00:03:09.826">Here we are, we're kind of looking at it</p>
<p begin="00:03:09.826" end="00:03:11.220">from below.</p>
<p begin="00:03:11.220" end="00:03:12.120">And here's our probe.</p>
<p begin="00:03:12.120" end="00:03:14.830">Now when you do an ultrasound study</p>
<p begin="00:03:14.830" end="00:03:16.130">of this you wanna make sure you cover</p>
<p begin="00:03:16.130" end="00:03:19.130">with axial and saggittal views.</p>
<p begin="00:03:19.130" end="00:03:20.350">When you do sagittal views you wanna</p>
<p begin="00:03:20.350" end="00:03:21.860">make sure you cover both the medial</p>
<p begin="00:03:21.860" end="00:03:23.750">and lateral aspect of the bursa,</p>
<p begin="00:03:23.750" end="00:03:25.250">which you can see the probe moving</p>
<p begin="00:03:25.250" end="00:03:26.850">on both sides of the bursa here.</p>
<p begin="00:03:31.480" end="00:03:34.300">And here again is another<br />sagittal view of this bursa.</p>
<p begin="00:03:34.300" end="00:03:35.360">And again you can appreciate how</p>
<p begin="00:03:35.360" end="00:03:38.220">there could be septi both<br />distally and proximally.</p>
<p begin="00:03:38.220" end="00:03:41.963">And loose bodies throughout<br />the Baker's cyst as well.</p>
<p begin="00:03:44.550" end="00:03:47.640">When you start to aspirate<br />and injection these,</p>
<p begin="00:03:47.640" end="00:03:49.930">basically you have to probe<br />in a sagital perspective</p>
<p begin="00:03:49.930" end="00:03:51.910">or a long access to the Baker's cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:03:51.910" end="00:03:54.180">You can see how you may have to puncture</p>
<p begin="00:03:54.180" end="00:03:55.580">and go through different septi</p>
<p begin="00:03:55.580" end="00:03:58.400">in order to drain the entire Bake cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:03:58.400" end="00:03:59.540">Here's just a close up view of</p>
<p begin="00:03:59.540" end="00:04:03.290">how the needle may have<br />to penetrate the septi</p>
<p begin="00:04:03.290" end="00:04:05.270">in order to aspirate the entire cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:04:05.270" end="00:04:07.730">You'll see in some cases<br />that you may not even have to</p>
<p begin="00:04:07.730" end="00:04:10.090">go through the septi in<br />order to drain the cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:04:10.090" end="00:04:12.050">That really depends if<br />the septi is completely</p>
<p begin="00:04:12.050" end="00:04:13.367">separating the Baker cyst or not.</p>
<p begin="00:04:13.367" end="00:04:14.510">And here we are going back</p>
<p begin="00:04:14.510" end="00:04:17.120">as we can appreciate<br />the C shape Baker cyst</p>
<p begin="00:04:17.120" end="00:04:19.270">with concavity going lateral.</p>
<p begin="00:04:19.270" end="00:04:21.070">And you wanna make sure<br />that the Baker cyst</p>
<p begin="00:04:21.070" end="00:04:22.450">is essentially superficial</p>
<p begin="00:04:22.450" end="00:04:24.720">to the medial gastrocnemius muscle.</p>
<p begin="00:04:24.720" end="00:04:25.730">If you start seeing a cyst</p>
<p begin="00:04:25.730" end="00:04:26.970">which is going into the muscle</p>
<p begin="00:04:26.970" end="00:04:28.130">below the muscle</p>
<p begin="00:04:28.130" end="00:04:30.210">then you actually start<br />worrying about a neoplasm such</p>
<p begin="00:04:30.210" end="00:04:31.380">as a sarcoma.</p>
<p begin="00:04:31.380" end="00:04:33.040">If you see fluid tracking distal</p>
<p begin="00:04:33.040" end="00:04:34.590">to the Baker cyst,</p>
<p begin="00:04:34.590" end="00:04:36.140">into the medial gastrocnemius muscle,</p>
<p begin="00:04:36.140" end="00:04:39.300">then a rupture Baker's cyst<br />is probably your diagnosis.</p>
<p begin="00:04:39.300" end="00:04:40.760">Baker's cysts are usually caused</p>
<p begin="00:04:40.760" end="00:04:43.060">by fluid that extravasates<br />from the knee joint</p>
<p begin="00:04:43.060" end="00:04:45.660">posteriorly through a<br />weakening of the capsule.</p>
<p begin="00:04:45.660" end="00:04:47.760">Occasionally you could<br />just get local irritation</p>
<p begin="00:04:47.760" end="00:04:51.973">of the semimembranosus<br />medial gastrocnemius bursa.</p>
<p begin="00:04:52.810" end="00:04:55.130">But again, often a<br />Baker's cyst is caused by</p>
<p begin="00:04:55.130" end="00:04:57.380">arthritis or perhaps meniscal pathology</p>
<p begin="00:04:57.380" end="00:05:00.470">causing fluid which then<br />extravasates posteriorly.</p>
<p begin="00:05:00.470" end="00:05:01.623">In this case you're<br />gonna see a Baker's cyst</p>
<p begin="00:05:01.623" end="00:05:03.230">that has a septum in it,</p>
<p begin="00:05:03.230" end="00:05:04.510">in the distal third of it.</p>
<p begin="00:05:04.510" end="00:05:05.910">And actually to drain this cyst</p>
<p begin="00:05:05.910" end="00:05:07.860">we didn't even need to breech that septum,</p>
<p begin="00:05:07.860" end="00:05:10.560">we just needed to put the<br />needle just proximal to it.</p>
<p begin="00:05:10.560" end="00:05:12.660">Usually, however, in most<br />cases you need to breech</p>
<p begin="00:05:12.660" end="00:05:14.360">the septum in order to get different</p>
<p begin="00:05:14.360" end="00:05:15.930">compartments drained of the Baker's cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:05:15.930" end="00:05:18.311">This is the case of a<br />52-year-old female complaining</p>
<p begin="00:05:18.311" end="00:05:22.693">of five months of pain in her right leg.</p>
<p begin="00:05:24.620" end="00:05:26.570">Most of the pain seems to be posterior.</p>
<p begin="00:05:29.720" end="00:05:31.610">MRI and ultrasound did<br />reveal a Baker's cyst</p>
<p begin="00:05:31.610" end="00:05:32.600">with a septum in it.</p>
<p begin="00:05:32.600" end="00:05:34.820">She also had a torn posterior horn</p>
<p begin="00:05:34.820" end="00:05:38.743">medial meniscus/medial meniscal<br />root tear posterior horn.</p>
<p begin="00:05:41.910" end="00:05:43.030">On physical exam she was tender</p>
<p begin="00:05:43.030" end="00:05:43.900">in the medial joint line.</p>
<p begin="00:05:43.900" end="00:05:46.603">Also, again, tenderness<br />in the popliteal fossa.</p>
<p begin="00:05:52.160" end="00:05:54.240">Here we are starting our<br />diagnostic ultrasound</p>
<p begin="00:05:54.240" end="00:05:56.590">with comparison view of her<br />normal side on the right side.</p>
<p begin="00:05:56.590" end="00:05:59.317">We were just going through her<br />medial gastrocnemius muscle</p>
<p begin="00:05:59.317" end="00:06:01.223">and soleus muscle underneath that.</p>
<p begin="00:06:05.340" end="00:06:06.930">And here we are in the sagital view</p>
<p begin="00:06:06.930" end="00:06:08.730">and we can see her Baker's cyst</p>
<p begin="00:06:08.730" end="00:06:11.503">with a septum in the distal<br />half of the Baker's cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:06:28.817" end="00:06:31.010">Again, to diagnose a Baker's cyst,</p>
<p begin="00:06:31.010" end="00:06:32.690">you need to have it basically squeeze</p>
<p begin="00:06:32.690" end="00:06:34.680">through between the semimembranosus tendon</p>
<p begin="00:06:34.680" end="00:06:36.420">and the medial gastrocnemius tendon.</p>
<p begin="00:06:36.420" end="00:06:39.050">Here's a good view of our<br />semimembranosus tendon</p>
<p begin="00:06:39.050" end="00:06:42.202">attaching on the posterior tibia,</p>
<p begin="00:06:42.202" end="00:06:43.690">proximal medial aspect.</p>
<p begin="00:06:43.690" end="00:06:45.403">And there's the MRI as well.</p>
<p begin="00:06:49.460" end="00:06:50.650">Now we're switching to an axial view</p>
<p begin="00:06:50.650" end="00:06:52.570">and we get a really<br />nice view of the septum.</p>
<p begin="00:06:52.570" end="00:06:54.711">It looks like it completely transects</p>
<p begin="00:06:54.711" end="00:06:58.403">the Baker's cyst in axial view.</p>
<p begin="00:07:08.880" end="00:07:11.080">Here's some MRIs just to show you again</p>
<p begin="00:07:11.080" end="00:07:12.647">the anatomy of Baker's cysts</p>
<p begin="00:07:12.647" end="00:07:15.430">and how we classify them.</p>
<p begin="00:07:15.430" end="00:07:17.090">Here's a good breakdown of her musculature</p>
<p begin="00:07:17.090" end="00:07:18.590">in the axial view of her knee.</p>
<p begin="00:07:19.550" end="00:07:20.660">Here we are just scrolling through</p>
<p begin="00:07:20.660" end="00:07:22.330">and you can see that<br />Baker's cyst start to form</p>
<p begin="00:07:22.330" end="00:07:23.560">and you see how it squeezes out</p>
<p begin="00:07:23.560" end="00:07:25.220">between the semimembranosus tendon</p>
<p begin="00:07:25.220" end="00:07:27.020">and the medial gastrocnemius tendon.</p>
<p begin="00:07:31.599" end="00:07:32.750">Here we are just focusing again</p>
<p begin="00:07:32.750" end="00:07:35.623">on that cyst with those two tendons.</p>
<p begin="00:07:36.900" end="00:07:39.240">And here's just a scrolling through again</p>
<p begin="00:07:39.240" end="00:07:42.253">of the axial view to<br />see how that cyst forms.</p>
<p begin="00:07:47.870" end="00:07:49.210">Here's a sagittal MRI</p>
<p begin="00:07:49.210" end="00:07:50.550">and just to look at it again,</p>
<p begin="00:07:50.550" end="00:07:52.772">you can see the medial<br />gastrocnemius tendon</p>
<p begin="00:07:52.772" end="00:07:55.033">and then as you go more medially</p>
<p begin="00:07:55.033" end="00:07:58.720">you will see the semimembranosus tendon</p>
<p begin="00:07:58.720" end="00:08:00.363">start to come into play as well.</p>
<p begin="00:08:05.730" end="00:08:07.610">And here's our semimembranosus tendon.</p>
<p begin="00:08:07.610" end="00:08:08.780">We're just scrolling through</p>
<p begin="00:08:08.780" end="00:08:10.712">to get a better sense<br />of how this cyst forms</p>
<p begin="00:08:10.712" end="00:08:14.877">between the gastrocnemius muscle/tendon</p>
<p begin="00:08:14.877" end="00:08:17.753">and semimembranosus muscle/tendon.</p>
<p begin="00:08:17.753" end="00:08:20.836">(background chatter)</p>
<p begin="00:08:31.334" end="00:08:33.770">that's me just going in.</p>
<p begin="00:08:33.770" end="00:08:35.520">Okay, we're starting our procedure.</p>
<p begin="00:08:41.983" end="00:08:43.400">So in this stage,</p>
<p begin="00:08:44.300" end="00:08:45.133">in this part of the procedure,</p>
<p begin="00:08:45.133" end="00:08:47.140">we really just went in the proximal,</p>
<p begin="00:08:47.140" end="00:08:49.206">or actually the distal part of the cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:08:49.206" end="00:08:51.000">We didn't go through the septum.</p>
<p begin="00:08:51.000" end="00:08:52.920">I was anticipating<br />having to breech through</p>
<p begin="00:08:52.920" end="00:08:54.070">that septum in order to get</p>
<p begin="00:08:54.070" end="00:08:55.860">to the proximal part of the cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:08:55.860" end="00:08:56.693">But as you can see,</p>
<p begin="00:08:56.693" end="00:08:58.010">most of the cyst really was drained</p>
<p begin="00:08:58.010" end="00:08:59.358">just by putting the needle</p>
<p begin="00:08:59.358" end="00:09:01.860">just distal to the septum.</p>
<p begin="00:09:01.860" end="00:09:05.000">So I didn't really need to<br />break through that septum.</p>
<p begin="00:09:05.000" end="00:09:07.530">So it's my conclusion that this was not</p>
<p begin="00:09:07.530" end="00:09:09.450">a complete septum or complete division</p>
<p begin="00:09:09.450" end="00:09:11.300">of the Baker's cyst with that septum.</p>
<p begin="00:09:14.010" end="00:09:16.493">I'm just gonna inject it with<br />a little bit of cortisone.</p>
<p begin="00:09:18.990" end="00:09:21.243">Here we are we're just<br />injecting some cortisone.</p>
<p begin="00:09:22.350" end="00:09:23.670">Sometimes when you break through</p>
<p begin="00:09:23.670" end="00:09:27.040">plica or septum it could<br />cause more discomfort</p>
<p begin="00:09:27.040" end="00:09:28.957">for the patient, so if you can avoid it</p>
<p begin="00:09:28.957" end="00:09:31.523">it's probably easier on the patient.</p>
<p begin="00:09:33.010" end="00:09:35.770">And again, teaching point<br />is that on this case</p>
<p begin="00:09:35.770" end="00:09:37.310">we did not have to go through the septum</p>
<p begin="00:09:37.310" end="00:09:39.560">in order to essentially<br />drain the whole cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:09:42.738" end="00:09:44.820">And this case is somewhat<br />of an unusually high</p>
<p begin="00:09:44.820" end="00:09:46.050">location for a Baker's cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:09:46.050" end="00:09:48.341">Once you get beyond or<br />proximal to the knee joint</p>
<p begin="00:09:48.341" end="00:09:49.881">you're usually dealing with a ganglion</p>
<p begin="00:09:49.881" end="00:09:52.980">around the semimembranosus tendon.</p>
<p begin="00:09:52.980" end="00:09:54.630">But this case I believe<br />is just a Baker cyst</p>
<p begin="00:09:54.630" end="00:09:55.463">that is a little bit high up.</p>
<p begin="00:09:55.463" end="00:09:56.907">It had some loose bodies</p>
<p begin="00:09:56.907" end="00:09:59.705">and we were able to successfully drain it.</p>
<p begin="00:09:59.705" end="00:10:02.230">A 51-year-old female here<br />for pain in the right knee</p>
<p begin="00:10:02.230" end="00:10:04.160">for a couple months, no injury.</p>
<p begin="00:10:04.160" end="00:10:05.158">Pain posteriorly.</p>
<p begin="00:10:05.158" end="00:10:06.430">She has a nice Baker's cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:10:06.430" end="00:10:07.923">Here we're starting medially.</p>
<p begin="00:10:09.089" end="00:10:11.703">I can see a loose body<br />there in the Baker cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:10:13.510" end="00:10:15.010">Right side of the screen is proximal,</p>
<p begin="00:10:15.010" end="00:10:17.120">left side is distal.</p>
<p begin="00:10:17.120" end="00:10:18.250">You can see that Baker's cyst</p>
<p begin="00:10:18.250" end="00:10:21.233">goes right above the medial<br />gastrocnemius tendon.</p>
<p begin="00:10:21.233" end="00:10:23.780">Very medially we can see<br />the semimembranosus tendon</p>
<p begin="00:10:23.780" end="00:10:27.203">coming down and starting<br />on the proximal tibia.</p>
<p begin="00:10:28.520" end="00:10:29.390">And you could easily mistake</p>
<p begin="00:10:29.390" end="00:10:33.160">the PCL for the semimembranosus tendon.</p>
<p begin="00:10:41.210" end="00:10:42.700">You can see that crisscorss pattern</p>
<p begin="00:10:42.700" end="00:10:44.290">between the semimembranosus tendon</p>
<p begin="00:10:44.290" end="00:10:46.620">and the medial gastrocnemius tendon.</p>
<p begin="00:10:46.620" end="00:10:48.420">We're gonna go a little bit lateral</p>
<p begin="00:10:48.420" end="00:10:49.500">and we can see that cyst just</p>
<p begin="00:10:49.500" end="00:10:52.090">kind of come into view there.</p>
<p begin="00:10:52.090" end="00:10:54.483">Again, loose bodies proximal in the cyst</p>
<p begin="00:10:54.483" end="00:10:56.343">and septation distally.</p>
<p begin="00:11:00.720" end="00:11:03.600">Now we can see the medial<br />gastrocnemius muscle and tendon</p>
<p begin="00:11:04.880" end="00:11:06.673">going right underneath the cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:11:10.054" end="00:11:11.804">I'm gonna take a little axial view.</p>
<p begin="00:11:14.050" end="00:11:15.430">Right side of the screen is medial,</p>
<p begin="00:11:15.430" end="00:11:17.150">left side is lateral.</p>
<p begin="00:11:17.150" end="00:11:18.974">We're starting basically above the cyst,</p>
<p begin="00:11:18.974" end="00:11:20.324">working our way going down.</p>
<p begin="00:11:27.020" end="00:11:28.503">And we can see it come,</p>
<p begin="00:11:29.760" end="00:11:31.760">those loose bodies.</p>
<p begin="00:11:31.760" end="00:11:33.290">See the communication channel.</p>
<p begin="00:11:37.638" end="00:11:40.343">You can see right above the<br />medial gastrocnemius muscle.</p>
<p begin="00:11:44.176" end="00:11:46.660">Starting below now, we're coming up.</p>
<p begin="00:11:46.660" end="00:11:49.480">Here's a nice view of that<br />channel as it comes up.</p>
<p begin="00:11:49.480" end="00:11:50.820">Here's that septum coming across.</p>
<p begin="00:11:50.820" end="00:11:52.320">Sometimes you get a<br />better view of the septum</p>
<p begin="00:11:52.320" end="00:11:54.330">in a different plane.</p>
<p begin="00:11:54.330" end="00:11:56.067">Just keep going proximally.</p>
<p begin="00:11:56.067" end="00:11:57.817">We can see those loose bodies form.</p>
<p begin="00:11:59.444" end="00:12:00.277">So one thing you don't wanna do,</p>
<p begin="00:12:00.277" end="00:12:01.437">you can look at this cyst</p>
<p begin="00:12:01.437" end="00:12:02.600">and you think that little black circle</p>
<p begin="00:12:02.600" end="00:12:04.573">next to it is part of the cyst,</p>
<p begin="00:12:06.879" end="00:12:09.897">it's really anisotropy of<br />the semimembranosus tendon.</p>
<p begin="00:12:09.897" end="00:12:11.760">Here's a really nice view of the septum</p>
<p begin="00:12:11.760" end="00:12:13.133">going across the cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:12:15.941" end="00:12:17.973">Here we're gonna start our aspiration.</p>
<p begin="00:12:27.490" end="00:12:29.995">Here's a nice reverberation<br />artifact of the needle.</p>
<p begin="00:12:29.995" end="00:12:31.973">And the cyst drained pretty easily.</p>
<p begin="00:12:34.730" end="00:12:36.450">You can see how the tissue<br />converges around the needle</p>
<p begin="00:12:36.450" end="00:12:38.174">and ultrasound can help<br />you keep your needle</p>
<p begin="00:12:38.174" end="00:12:39.740">within the actual cyst,</p>
<p begin="00:12:39.740" end="00:12:41.640">while that tissue converges around it.</p>
<p begin="00:12:45.910" end="00:12:47.610">Now I'm just putting cortisone in.</p>
<p begin="00:12:57.360" end="00:12:58.670">This is a very interesting case</p>
<p begin="00:12:58.670" end="00:13:00.150">of a very large Baker's cyst</p>
<p begin="00:13:00.150" end="00:13:02.868">that I drained twice and kept coming back.</p>
<p begin="00:13:02.868" end="00:13:05.464">This next case is the third such attempt</p>
<p begin="00:13:05.464" end="00:13:08.260">and also we injected<br />cortisone in the cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:13:08.260" end="00:13:10.300">The very interesting<br />thing about this case is</p>
<p begin="00:13:10.300" end="00:13:11.950">that there's actually what I think</p>
<p begin="00:13:11.950" end="00:13:16.294">is a ganglionic portion of<br />this Baker's cyst proximally.</p>
<p begin="00:13:16.294" end="00:13:18.250">This cyst has multiple loose bodies</p>
<p begin="00:13:18.250" end="00:13:20.340">and septum and debris within it.</p>
<p begin="00:13:20.340" end="00:13:22.290">Unfortunately, even after<br />the third aspiration</p>
<p begin="00:13:22.290" end="00:13:23.160">and cortisone injection of the cyst</p>
<p begin="00:13:23.160" end="00:13:24.830">it kept coming back.</p>
<p begin="00:13:24.830" end="00:13:27.320">And therefore, in order to<br />try to alleviate the symptoms,</p>
<p begin="00:13:27.320" end="00:13:28.550">I would recommend surgery</p>
<p begin="00:13:28.550" end="00:13:32.140">even though cysts can frequently<br />come back after surgery.</p>
<p begin="00:13:32.140" end="00:13:33.630">So this is the actual fluid from</p>
<p begin="00:13:33.630" end="00:13:35.070">the proximal part of the cyst</p>
<p begin="00:13:35.070" end="00:13:35.903">and it's very thick.</p>
<p begin="00:13:35.903" end="00:13:38.100">You see it doesn't really settle.</p>
<p begin="00:13:38.100" end="00:13:40.745">And it looks like ganglion type fluid.</p>
<p begin="00:13:40.745" end="00:13:41.578">So I think it was a combination</p>
<p begin="00:13:41.578" end="00:13:43.520">of a ganglion with a cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:13:43.520" end="00:13:44.998">So here's a sagittal view of the cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:13:44.998" end="00:13:46.427">You can see loose bodies distally.</p>
<p begin="00:13:46.427" end="00:13:49.460">The patient has debris with<br />septations within this cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:13:49.460" end="00:13:50.693">Unfortunately this was a recurrent cyst</p>
<p begin="00:13:50.693" end="00:13:52.883">that we tried to aspirate twice prior.</p>
<p begin="00:13:54.420" end="00:13:57.530">You can see the shadowing<br />effect from the loose body.</p>
<p begin="00:13:57.530" end="00:14:01.410">And as we go proximally we<br />can see this different lobe,</p>
<p begin="00:14:01.410" end="00:14:03.950">a little smaller lobe<br />of the cyst proximally.</p>
<p begin="00:14:03.950" end="00:14:06.960">And this is basically<br />going above the joint line,</p>
<p begin="00:14:06.960" end="00:14:09.650">making a ganglion more likely.</p>
<p begin="00:14:09.650" end="00:14:10.510">Here's an axial view,</p>
<p begin="00:14:10.510" end="00:14:12.593">and again you can see septations within it</p>
<p begin="00:14:12.593" end="00:14:14.180">and debris.</p>
<p begin="00:14:14.180" end="00:14:17.463">Just the sheer size of the<br />cyst is quite a large cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:14:20.740" end="00:14:22.240">And here's the semimembranosus tendon.</p>
<p begin="00:14:22.240" end="00:14:24.138">Something you don't wanna mistake</p>
<p begin="00:14:24.138" end="00:14:28.740">for part of the cyst when<br />there's anisotropy involved.</p>
<p begin="00:14:28.740" end="00:14:29.940">So this is round number three.</p>
<p begin="00:14:29.940" end="00:14:31.900">He did get a fair amount of relief,</p>
<p begin="00:14:31.900" end="00:14:33.173">probably mild relief<br />with the last procedure,</p>
<p begin="00:14:33.173" end="00:14:35.730">and I did shrink the Baker's cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:14:35.730" end="00:14:37.143">I'm gonna try one more time.</p>
<p begin="00:14:38.170" end="00:14:40.563">Here's our anticipated<br />path of the drainage.</p>
<p begin="00:14:42.036" end="00:14:44.986">And injecting maybe with 1.5 cc</p>
<p begin="00:14:44.986" end="00:14:46.500">of methylprednisolone.</p>
<p begin="00:14:46.500" end="00:14:49.100">And use the side effect of atrophy</p>
<p begin="00:14:49.100" end="00:14:51.770">that prednisone can cause in soft tissue,</p>
<p begin="00:14:51.770" end="00:14:52.760">hopefully to our favor,</p>
<p begin="00:14:52.760" end="00:14:56.030">'cause there's a lot of synovial debris</p>
<p begin="00:14:56.030" end="00:14:57.870">and granulation tissue</p>
<p begin="00:14:57.870" end="00:14:59.982">that I think is part of the problem here.</p>
<p begin="00:14:59.982" end="00:15:02.110">I'm hoping that the cortisone<br />will help shrink that,</p>
<p begin="00:15:02.110" end="00:15:05.060">in addition to keep any<br />fluid from coming back.</p>
<p begin="00:15:05.060" end="00:15:06.570">So here's the beginning of our procedure.</p>
<p begin="00:15:06.570" end="00:15:09.793">We're going in from a<br />distal to proximal approach.</p>
<p begin="00:15:12.780" end="00:15:13.710">The needle wasn't big enough</p>
<p begin="00:15:13.710" end="00:15:14.643">to get to both parts of the cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:15:14.643" end="00:15:16.140">So here we are, we're draining</p>
<p begin="00:15:16.140" end="00:15:18.540">essentially just the<br />distal portion of the cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:15:19.970" end="00:15:23.530">And what we'll see later<br />is the proximal portion</p>
<p begin="00:15:23.530" end="00:15:26.493">was an entirely different<br />entity essentially.</p>
<p begin="00:15:28.570" end="00:15:29.960">He has some reverberation artifact</p>
<p begin="00:15:29.960" end="00:15:30.980">from the needle.</p>
<p begin="00:15:30.980" end="00:15:31.813">You can see the loose body</p>
<p begin="00:15:31.813" end="00:15:33.270">with some shadowing underneath it.</p>
<p begin="00:15:37.199" end="00:15:38.032">This part of the cyst,</p>
<p begin="00:15:38.032" end="00:15:39.609">as prior aspirations,</p>
<p begin="00:15:39.609" end="00:15:41.850">was pretty easily aspirated</p>
<p begin="00:15:41.850" end="00:15:43.560">and a lot of fluid comes out.</p>
<p begin="00:15:43.560" end="00:15:45.683">That's a 30 cc syringe that I'm holding.</p>
<p begin="00:15:50.960" end="00:15:52.297">Here's an axial view</p>
<p begin="00:15:52.297" end="00:15:54.610">and you can see the tip<br />of the needle highlighted.</p>
<p begin="00:15:54.610" end="00:15:57.240">This gives a good medial,<br />lateral aspect of the cyst</p>
<p begin="00:15:57.240" end="00:15:59.703">and where you are in that dimension.</p>
<p begin="00:16:02.260" end="00:16:05.053">Now I'm trying to reach the proximal pole.</p>
<p begin="00:16:08.470" end="00:16:09.830">I'm trying to reach the proximal pole,</p>
<p begin="00:16:09.830" end="00:16:11.000">unfortunately I couldn't do it.</p>
<p begin="00:16:11.000" end="00:16:13.180">There's a little gap here that you can see</p>
<p begin="00:16:13.180" end="00:16:14.013">between the needle tip</p>
<p begin="00:16:14.013" end="00:16:15.490">and the ganglionic portion</p>
<p begin="00:16:15.490" end="00:16:16.323">of the cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:16:20.780" end="00:16:22.085">So before you start going this proximally,</p>
<p begin="00:16:22.085" end="00:16:24.070">you're basically right<br />on the popliteal fossa.</p>
<p begin="00:16:24.070" end="00:16:26.340">You wanna make sure that you can identify</p>
<p begin="00:16:26.340" end="00:16:28.140">your popliteal vessels.</p>
<p begin="00:16:28.140" end="00:16:30.223">And here is clearly the popliteal artery.</p>
<p begin="00:16:31.770" end="00:16:33.740">So we basically just moved<br />our needle proximally</p>
<p begin="00:16:33.740" end="00:16:35.400">and went to this ganglionic portion.</p>
<p begin="00:16:35.400" end="00:16:39.450">And out came this thick darker fluid,</p>
<p begin="00:16:39.450" end="00:16:42.030">certainly more indicative of a ganglion</p>
<p begin="00:16:42.030" end="00:16:43.353">versus a Baker's cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:16:44.970" end="00:16:46.040">On our axial view again</p>
<p begin="00:16:46.040" end="00:16:47.940">you can see our needle tip</p>
<p begin="00:16:47.940" end="00:16:49.300">and then you can see how close we are</p>
<p begin="00:16:49.300" end="00:16:50.913">to the popliteal vasculature.</p>
<p begin="00:16:52.540" end="00:16:54.890">Here we are just injecting<br />with some cortisone.</p>
<p begin="00:16:56.955" end="00:16:59.380">It is my hope that will keep<br />the cyst from coming back.</p>
<p begin="00:16:59.380" end="00:17:00.970">Here are the loose bodies<br />in the Baker's cyst,</p>
<p begin="00:17:00.970" end="00:17:02.180">I can actually feel them now.</p>
<p begin="00:17:02.180" end="00:17:05.250">Before they were just<br />buried under the fluid,</p>
<p begin="00:17:05.250" end="00:17:07.370">now I can see my finger kind of rolling</p>
<p begin="00:17:08.431" end="00:17:10.020">above these hard little pebbles.</p>
<p begin="00:17:10.020" end="00:17:11.160">I don't think they're going anywhere,</p>
<p begin="00:17:11.160" end="00:17:14.500">they're just in the soft<br />tissue from the Baker's cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:17:14.500" end="00:17:16.536">I injected again with<br />a little more than 2 cc</p>
<p begin="00:17:16.536" end="00:17:21.190">of cortisone, of methylprednisolone.</p>
<p begin="00:17:21.190" end="00:17:23.270">I'm hoping that that will atrophy</p>
<p begin="00:17:23.270" end="00:17:26.360">soft granulation type<br />tissue within the cyst,</p>
<p begin="00:17:26.360" end="00:17:28.330">hopefully keep that inflammation now</p>
<p begin="00:17:29.408" end="00:17:30.241">from coming back again.</p>
<p begin="00:17:30.241" end="00:17:31.460">This is the last time<br />we're gonna do it though.</p>
<p begin="00:17:31.460" end="00:17:32.293">If that doesn't work</p>
<p begin="00:17:32.293" end="00:17:34.613">then the only thing that's<br />gonna work is surgery.</p>
<p begin="00:17:43.420" end="00:17:45.810">Here's a case of a ruptured Baker's cyst</p>
<p begin="00:17:45.810" end="00:17:47.810">and this case is a great example</p>
<p begin="00:17:47.810" end="00:17:50.733">of how the ultrasound<br />can give you important</p>
<p begin="00:17:50.733" end="00:17:51.831">information right then<br />and there in the office.</p>
<p begin="00:17:51.831" end="00:17:54.810">And I was not nearly<br />as worried about a DVT</p>
<p begin="00:17:54.810" end="00:17:56.968">after doing her ultrasound.</p>
<p begin="00:17:56.968" end="00:17:58.370">This is a 69-year-old female here</p>
<p begin="00:17:58.370" end="00:17:59.748">complaining of pain in the right knee/calf</p>
<p begin="00:17:59.748" end="00:18:02.540">going on for about three weeks.</p>
<p begin="00:18:02.540" end="00:18:03.630">She had x-rays done in the ER</p>
<p begin="00:18:03.630" end="00:18:05.440">which didn't show any acute pathology.</p>
<p begin="00:18:05.440" end="00:18:07.090">However, there was no<br />report of an ultrasound</p>
<p begin="00:18:07.090" end="00:18:08.043">done in the ER.</p>
<p begin="00:18:17.240" end="00:18:20.030">Here's a sagittal view of her right knee.</p>
<p begin="00:18:20.030" end="00:18:22.588">And the popliteal fossa<br />is the most axial view.</p>
<p begin="00:18:22.588" end="00:18:24.773">And we can see a very<br />sizable Baker's cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:18:34.710" end="00:18:37.790">Here's an axial comparison view of her</p>
<p begin="00:18:37.790" end="00:18:39.150">medial gastrocnemius muscle</p>
<p begin="00:18:39.150" end="00:18:41.130">of her right compared to her left.</p>
<p begin="00:18:41.130" end="00:18:42.650">And you can see that it's much darker</p>
<p begin="00:18:42.650" end="00:18:43.483">on the right side</p>
<p begin="00:18:43.483" end="00:18:44.540">and that's consistent with fluid</p>
<p begin="00:18:44.540" end="00:18:46.390">extravasation within the muscle.</p>
<p begin="00:18:46.390" end="00:18:48.710">And that fluid came from<br />a ruptured Baker's cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:18:48.710" end="00:18:51.150">This basically made the likelihood</p>
<p begin="00:18:51.150" end="00:18:53.563">of a DVT much less likely for her.</p>
<p begin="00:18:54.950" end="00:18:56.910">And we treated her in the office</p>
<p begin="00:18:56.910" end="00:18:57.987">by aspirating the Baker's cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:18:57.987" end="00:18:59.687">And she did much better afterward.</p>
<p begin="00:19:03.260" end="00:19:04.903">Here again is our sagittal view.</p>
<p begin="00:19:08.543" end="00:19:10.280">And we can again see<br />some fluid extravasation</p>
<p begin="00:19:10.280" end="00:19:12.230">within the medial gastrocnemius muscle.</p>
<p begin="00:19:39.780" end="00:19:43.060">Here we are, sagittal<br />view of the Baker's cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:19:43.060" end="00:19:45.560">We're going in with the needle now.</p>
<p begin="00:19:45.560" end="00:19:47.850">And essentially draining the Baker's cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:19:47.850" end="00:19:50.123">We basically drained from the distal pole.</p>
<p begin="00:19:52.570" end="00:19:55.070">And here's a post aspiration MRI</p>
<p begin="00:19:55.070" end="00:19:56.980">and the Baker's cyst came back,</p>
<p begin="00:19:56.980" end="00:19:59.080">which unfortunately happens quite often.</p>
<p begin="00:19:59.080" end="00:20:00.530">But you can see how some of that fluid</p>
<p begin="00:20:00.530" end="00:20:03.263">basically extravasated<br />distally from the Baker's cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:20:05.688" end="00:20:06.920">This is a case where ultrasound can really</p>
<p begin="00:20:06.920" end="00:20:07.753">help you right then<br />and there in the office</p>
<p begin="00:20:07.753" end="00:20:10.640">to help you differentiate<br />whether this is simply</p>
<p begin="00:20:10.640" end="00:20:13.203">from a ruptured Baker's<br />cyst versus an actual DVT.</p>
<p begin="00:20:14.181" end="00:20:16.710">This is the case of a lady<br />that has a ganglion cyst</p>
<p begin="00:20:16.710" end="00:20:19.010">at the origin of the<br />medial gastrocnemius muscle</p>
<p begin="00:20:19.010" end="00:20:21.190">and she suffered pain posteriorly.</p>
<p begin="00:20:21.190" end="00:20:22.530">We were able to drain approximately</p>
<p begin="00:20:22.530" end="00:20:25.360">30% of her cyst with ultrasound guidance.</p>
<p begin="00:20:25.360" end="00:20:27.980">And this caused significant<br />relief for her pain.</p>
<p begin="00:20:27.980" end="00:20:29.550">In this situation you definitely need</p>
<p begin="00:20:29.550" end="00:20:31.160">some sort of imaging guidance</p>
<p begin="00:20:31.160" end="00:20:32.840">for your needle because this ganglion cyst</p>
<p begin="00:20:32.840" end="00:20:34.650">was right next to her popliteal artery</p>
<p begin="00:20:34.650" end="00:20:36.680">and vein and tibial nerve.</p>
<p begin="00:20:36.680" end="00:20:38.415">So this is our patient,<br />a 49-year-old female,</p>
<p begin="00:20:38.415" end="00:20:40.030">about a year and a half of pain</p>
<p begin="00:20:40.030" end="00:20:42.921">in the posterior aspect of the right knee.</p>
<p begin="00:20:42.921" end="00:20:43.790">No mechanical complaints.</p>
<p begin="00:20:43.790" end="00:20:45.517">You can see this pretty complicated</p>
<p begin="00:20:45.517" end="00:20:48.637">large lobulated ganglion cyst</p>
<p begin="00:20:48.637" end="00:20:51.513">right at the origin of the<br />medial gastrocnemius muscle.</p>
<p begin="00:20:56.560" end="00:20:58.280">This is our patient, a 49-year-old female.</p>
<p begin="00:20:58.280" end="00:21:01.060">She has a multilobulated ganglion cyst</p>
<p begin="00:21:01.060" end="00:21:03.790">posterolateral of the distal femur,</p>
<p begin="00:21:03.790" end="00:21:05.130">causing her pain in the back of her knee.</p>
<p begin="00:21:05.130" end="00:21:07.078">This seems to cause some<br />sort of burning type pain</p>
<p begin="00:21:07.078" end="00:21:08.573">radiating anteromedially.</p>
<p begin="00:21:10.693" end="00:21:11.655">It's a pretty sizable cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:21:11.655" end="00:21:12.837">We're gonna see if we can drain it,</p>
<p begin="00:21:12.837" end="00:21:14.333">inject it with some cortisone.</p>
<p begin="00:21:15.370" end="00:21:17.770">Here I am pushing on<br />the outside of her knee,</p>
<p begin="00:21:17.770" end="00:21:18.753">the lateral part.</p>
<p begin="00:21:21.597" end="00:21:22.700">We're just gonna try to enter</p>
<p begin="00:21:22.700" end="00:21:24.760">on the very lateral part of it,</p>
<p begin="00:21:24.760" end="00:21:28.733">try to avoid going medial to<br />avoid any of the major vessels.</p>
<p begin="00:21:29.890" end="00:21:31.600">So here we are, we're<br />pushing on the lateral part</p>
<p begin="00:21:31.600" end="00:21:33.510">of the thigh in prone position.</p>
<p begin="00:21:33.510" end="00:21:35.350">And that to me was the safest position</p>
<p begin="00:21:35.350" end="00:21:36.690">to attempt initially.</p>
<p begin="00:21:36.690" end="00:21:38.850">You really are kind of steering shy</p>
<p begin="00:21:39.928" end="00:21:41.210">of any popliteal artery</p>
<p begin="00:21:41.210" end="00:21:43.500">or vein or any large nerves.</p>
<p begin="00:21:43.500" end="00:21:45.153">So that was the initial approach.</p>
<p begin="00:21:50.540" end="00:21:51.730">- [Woman] All right, you're gonna feel</p>
<p begin="00:21:51.730" end="00:21:53.480">some cold spray and a little pinch.</p>
<p begin="00:21:54.530" end="00:21:56.010">- [Dr. Weiss] So here's<br />our patient lying prone.</p>
<p begin="00:21:56.010" end="00:21:57.690">Her head is at the right<br />side of the screen,</p>
<p begin="00:21:57.690" end="00:21:59.640">feet is at the left side of the screen.</p>
<p begin="00:22:01.110" end="00:22:03.833">And we're using a pretty<br />large gauge needle here.</p>
<p begin="00:22:08.950" end="00:22:10.270">And you can see the tissue move here</p>
<p begin="00:22:10.270" end="00:22:12.190">on the right side of the screen.</p>
<p begin="00:22:12.190" end="00:22:13.790">Since it's so deep it's hard to get</p>
<p begin="00:22:13.790" end="00:22:14.880">a very clear view of the needle,</p>
<p begin="00:22:14.880" end="00:22:17.160">but you can certainly make<br />out where it is essentially</p>
<p begin="00:22:17.160" end="00:22:19.140">based on a jiggle technique</p>
<p begin="00:22:19.140" end="00:22:21.593">or how the tissue is moving.</p>
<p begin="00:22:22.490" end="00:22:24.300">And unfortunately our first attempt</p>
<p begin="00:22:24.300" end="00:22:26.130">we hit a gap, we couldn't reach the cyst</p>
<p begin="00:22:26.130" end="00:22:27.393">so we had to pull out.</p>
<p begin="00:22:28.380" end="00:22:29.660">I can try one more time,</p>
<p begin="00:22:29.660" end="00:22:31.260">I'll try a different approach.</p>
<p begin="00:22:31.260" end="00:22:32.370">So here we are, we're gonna try</p>
<p begin="00:22:32.370" end="00:22:33.610">a more posterior approach.</p>
<p begin="00:22:33.610" end="00:22:34.520">This is a little more dangerous,</p>
<p begin="00:22:34.520" end="00:22:35.390">as you can see we're closer</p>
<p begin="00:22:35.390" end="00:22:37.680">to the popliteal artery and vein.</p>
<p begin="00:22:37.680" end="00:22:39.133">And the tibial nerve.</p>
<p begin="00:22:49.496" end="00:22:50.420">Here you can see the needle coming in</p>
<p begin="00:22:50.420" end="00:22:52.080">from the upper right<br />corner of the screen now</p>
<p begin="00:22:52.080" end="00:22:55.470">rather than versus just the<br />right side of the screen.</p>
<p begin="00:22:55.470" end="00:22:58.040">And again it's a more<br />oblique type of approach.</p>
<p begin="00:22:58.040" end="00:23:00.251">But we did get some thick, clear fluid,</p>
<p begin="00:23:00.251" end="00:23:02.823">confirming that we were in the ganglion.</p>
<p begin="00:23:04.210" end="00:23:06.060">It's coming, it's just coming slowly.</p>
<p begin="00:23:15.560" end="00:23:16.790">Here you can see the needle tip</p>
<p begin="00:23:16.790" end="00:23:19.453">and one of the lobules of the ganglion.</p>
<p begin="00:23:25.170" end="00:23:27.345">Okay, I'm just gonna get a bigger syringe,</p>
<p begin="00:23:27.345" end="00:23:29.213">just to get a little more pressure okay?</p>
<p begin="00:23:30.072" end="00:23:32.090">Here we are, we're changing the ...</p>
<p begin="00:23:32.090" end="00:23:33.250">I think it was a 10 cc syringe</p>
<p begin="00:23:33.250" end="00:23:35.560">to a 30 cc, just to get<br />some more negative pressure.</p>
<p begin="00:23:35.560" end="00:23:37.710">I'm gonna inject a little<br />cortisone around it now, okay?</p>
<p begin="00:23:37.710" end="00:23:40.450">But that really didn't do much actually.</p>
<p begin="00:23:40.450" end="00:23:41.283">And here we are,</p>
<p begin="00:23:41.283" end="00:23:43.117">we're just injecting some<br />cortisone into the cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:23:43.117" end="00:23:45.730">And you can kind of see it<br />spread throughout the ganglion,</p>
<p begin="00:23:45.730" end="00:23:47.640">again confirming that we were in it.</p>
<p begin="00:23:47.640" end="00:23:49.960">And here's that thick, clear<br />gel that we were able to get.</p>
<p begin="00:23:49.960" end="00:23:51.240">One month right?</p>
<p begin="00:23:51.240" end="00:23:52.177">Into drainage of a ganglion cyst</p>
<p begin="00:23:52.177" end="00:23:54.120">in the posterior and distal femur.</p>
<p begin="00:23:54.120" end="00:23:57.320">And she says her pain<br />is about six out of ten.</p>
<p begin="00:23:57.320" end="00:23:59.170">Better? 60% better?</p>
<p begin="00:23:59.170" end="00:24:01.329">Okay, but still occasionally<br />what do you have?</p>
<p begin="00:24:01.329" end="00:24:04.898">- [Female] Pain just<br />exactly now on the cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:24:04.898" end="00:24:07.770">(mumbles)</p>
<p begin="00:24:07.770" end="00:24:08.603">- [Dr. Weiss] Okay.</p>
<p begin="00:24:08.603" end="00:24:10.240">Overall you're better about 60%?</p>
<p begin="00:24:10.240" end="00:24:11.338">- [Female] Yeah.</p>
<p begin="00:24:11.338" end="00:24:13.941">- [Dr. Weiss] Here's our<br />three month followup.</p>
<p begin="00:24:13.941" end="00:24:14.774">You can see the sagittal view</p>
<p begin="00:24:14.774" end="00:24:17.260">and you can see the sagittal MRI as well.</p>
<p begin="00:24:17.260" end="00:24:18.990">And they're pretty similar.</p>
<p begin="00:24:18.990" end="00:24:20.720">And even though it didn't look<br />like we changed the size much</p>
<p begin="00:24:20.720" end="00:24:23.770">of the ganglion we certainly<br />helped her symptoms.</p>
<p begin="00:24:23.770" end="00:24:26.180">And even just draining<br />maybe 20-30% of the fluid</p>
<p begin="00:24:26.180" end="00:24:29.370">out of the ganglion can help<br />significantly with symptoms,</p>
<p begin="00:24:29.370" end="00:24:31.770">especially when it's near<br />some vital structures.</p>
<p begin="00:24:33.305" end="00:24:35.230">Here's the case of a 56-year-old female</p>
<p begin="00:24:35.230" end="00:24:38.260">complaining of about three<br />months of pain in her left knee.</p>
<p begin="00:24:38.260" end="00:24:39.270">She had pain with walking.</p>
<p begin="00:24:39.270" end="00:24:41.320">She had no mechanical compliants.</p>
<p begin="00:24:41.320" end="00:24:43.540">And ultrasound did reveal a ganglion</p>
<p begin="00:24:43.540" end="00:24:45.693">just medial to the semimembranosus tendon.</p>
<p begin="00:24:46.550" end="00:24:48.980">On physical exam, she was<br />tender on the pes bursa region,</p>
<p begin="00:24:48.980" end="00:24:50.050">also on the medial joint line.</p>
<p begin="00:24:50.050" end="00:24:53.290">So I think there was some pain<br />referred from this ganglion.</p>
<p begin="00:24:53.290" end="00:24:54.680">It's important not to diagnose this</p>
<p begin="00:24:54.680" end="00:24:56.310">as a Baker's cyst as it does not lie</p>
<p begin="00:24:56.310" end="00:24:58.250">between the medial gastrocnemius tendon</p>
<p begin="00:24:58.250" end="00:25:00.060">and the semimembranosus tendon.</p>
<p begin="00:25:00.060" end="00:25:01.361">And you have to have a fairly keen eye</p>
<p begin="00:25:01.361" end="00:25:03.793">in order to identify this.</p>
<p begin="00:25:03.793" end="00:25:05.900">A 56-year-old female here<br />for pain in her left knee</p>
<p begin="00:25:05.900" end="00:25:06.733">for about three months.</p>
<p begin="00:25:06.733" end="00:25:07.566">No injury.</p>
<p begin="00:25:07.566" end="00:25:09.120">Mostly on physical exam</p>
<p begin="00:25:09.120" end="00:25:11.430">she has pain in the pes bursa region.</p>
<p begin="00:25:11.430" end="00:25:13.563">Also some moderate tenderness<br />in the medial joint line.</p>
<p begin="00:25:13.563" end="00:25:16.110">She's complaining of pain<br />and stiffness with walking</p>
<p begin="00:25:16.110" end="00:25:16.943">and bending her knee.</p>
<p begin="00:25:16.943" end="00:25:17.870">There's no locking.</p>
<p begin="00:25:18.800" end="00:25:19.960">Just looked at her MRI,</p>
<p begin="00:25:19.960" end="00:25:24.063">which basically shows<br />arthritis under the knee cap.</p>
<p begin="00:25:24.901" end="00:25:26.660">She does have what happens<br />to be a ganglion cyst</p>
<p begin="00:25:26.660" end="00:25:29.040">just medial to the semimembranosus tendon.</p>
<p begin="00:25:29.040" end="00:25:31.340">So we're gonna go ahead<br />and just look at that.</p>
<p begin="00:25:32.380" end="00:25:33.397">Are you real tender over here?</p>
<p begin="00:25:33.397" end="00:25:35.027">- [Female] Yeah.</p>
<p begin="00:25:35.027" end="00:25:37.116">- [Dr. Weiss] You complain of pian here?</p>
<p begin="00:25:37.116" end="00:25:37.949">- [Female] Yeah.</p>
<p begin="00:25:37.949" end="00:25:39.590">- [Dr. Weiss] Or most of your<br />pain seems to be up here?</p>
<p begin="00:25:39.590" end="00:25:40.530">- [Female] Wow.</p>
<p begin="00:25:40.530" end="00:25:41.770">- [Dr. Weiss] So this is anterior.</p>
<p begin="00:25:41.770" end="00:25:43.210">The cyst I believe is right here,</p>
<p begin="00:25:43.210" end="00:25:45.531">just medial to the semimembranosus tendon.</p>
<p begin="00:25:45.531" end="00:25:48.590">She's got a nice little crease here,</p>
<p begin="00:25:48.590" end="00:25:52.433">which probably causes<br />some anisotropy artifact.</p>
<p begin="00:25:53.820" end="00:25:56.673">I'm gonna try to be a little<br />more generous on my gel.</p>
<p begin="00:25:58.390" end="00:26:01.450">The semimembranosus muscle<br />on the bottom of the screen.</p>
<p begin="00:26:01.450" end="00:26:03.410">And here we can appreciate<br />the semimembranosus muscle</p>
<p begin="00:26:03.410" end="00:26:05.080">transitioning to a fairly thick tendon</p>
<p begin="00:26:05.080" end="00:26:07.297">right above the medial femoral condyle.</p>
<p begin="00:26:09.120" end="00:26:10.833">Now I'm just gonna go distal.</p>
<p begin="00:26:16.890" end="00:26:19.834">Here is that ganglion, I believe.</p>
<p begin="00:26:19.834" end="00:26:20.790">Here's the ganglion cyst,</p>
<p begin="00:26:20.790" end="00:26:22.390">somewhat inconspicuous as it kind of</p>
<p begin="00:26:22.390" end="00:26:25.333">blends in with the<br />surrounding subcutaneous fat.</p>
<p begin="00:26:30.020" end="00:26:31.687">A little bit tender.</p>
<p begin="00:26:36.770" end="00:26:39.230">We have a semimembranosus<br />muscle in the right and bottom.</p>
<p begin="00:26:39.230" end="00:26:40.980">Let's just follow that to it again.</p>
<p begin="00:26:42.060" end="00:26:44.043">Let's try to keep our probe flush.</p>
<p begin="00:26:45.922" end="00:26:47.970">And here you can see the<br />medial gastrocnemius muscle.</p>
<p begin="00:26:47.970" end="00:26:49.730">If you see artifact close by the crease</p>
<p begin="00:26:49.730" end="00:26:52.028">within the popliteal fossa.</p>
<p begin="00:26:52.028" end="00:26:54.343">You don't wanna mistake that for a cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:26:55.656" end="00:26:57.483">Here it is, inserting on the tibia.</p>
<p begin="00:27:02.170" end="00:27:03.833">The best shot we got so far.</p>
<p begin="00:27:04.850" end="00:27:07.003">We have medial gastrocnemius muscle.</p>
<p begin="00:27:10.160" end="00:27:11.347">And the right side of the scan is proximal</p>
<p begin="00:27:11.347" end="00:27:15.330">and as we go medial you see<br />that semimembranosus tendon.</p>
<p begin="00:27:16.720" end="00:27:18.107">Here again is that thick<br />semimembranosus tendon</p>
<p begin="00:27:18.107" end="00:27:20.360">just over the medial femoral condyle.</p>
<p begin="00:27:24.884" end="00:27:27.384">We'll switch to an axial view.</p>
<p begin="00:27:29.290" end="00:27:31.176">Here's an axial MRI.</p>
<p begin="00:27:31.176" end="00:27:32.009">You can appreciate that ganglion</p>
<p begin="00:27:32.009" end="00:27:34.077">just kind of wrapping around<br />the semimembranosus tendon</p>
<p begin="00:27:34.077" end="00:27:35.863">and then going medially.</p>
<p begin="00:27:37.064" end="00:27:39.230">Also you can appreciate that<br />the semimembranosus tendon</p>
<p begin="00:27:39.230" end="00:27:41.060">is a pretty thick wide tendon,</p>
<p begin="00:27:41.060" end="00:27:42.983">especially compared to<br />a semitendinosus tendon.</p>
<p begin="00:27:48.120" end="00:27:49.870">Right side of the screen is medial.</p>
<p begin="00:27:51.425" end="00:27:54.423">Here we are, we're looking at<br />the semimembranosus tendon,</p>
<p begin="00:27:56.025" end="00:27:57.433">anisotropy of the tendon<br />as we toggle the probe.</p>
<p begin="00:28:01.325" end="00:28:03.072">Right here we're right<br />above the joint line.</p>
<p begin="00:28:03.072" end="00:28:05.085">You see the semimembranosus tendon</p>
<p begin="00:28:05.085" end="00:28:06.213">and then you see to the left-</p>
<p begin="00:28:06.213" end="00:28:07.879">- [Male] Press one to connect.</p>
<p begin="00:28:07.879" end="00:28:12.879">- [Dr. Weiss] You may mistake this</p>
<p begin="00:28:15.338" end="00:28:16.860">for a cyst the anisotropy.</p>
<p begin="00:28:16.860" end="00:28:18.007">Go a little bit lateral</p>
<p begin="00:28:18.007" end="00:28:22.443">you see that medial gastrocnemius muscle.</p>
<p begin="00:28:25.347" end="00:28:26.410">And this is the cyst now</p>
<p begin="00:28:26.410" end="00:28:29.290">just to the right of the<br />semimembranosus tendon.</p>
<p begin="00:28:29.290" end="00:28:30.480">See I'm toggling the probe</p>
<p begin="00:28:30.480" end="00:28:32.130">and it's just coming out of view.</p>
<p begin="00:28:37.060" end="00:28:40.023">But it doesn't light up like<br />a tendon with anisotropy.</p>
<p begin="00:28:40.976" end="00:28:43.160">Just going out of view as the<br />probe is just angling away.</p>
<p begin="00:28:43.160" end="00:28:44.591">Now watch what happens when I go</p>
<p begin="00:28:44.591" end="00:28:46.617">in the semimembranosus<br />tendon and I toggle it.</p>
<p begin="00:28:49.492" end="00:28:51.825">Now you can see that tendon.</p>
<p begin="00:28:56.046" end="00:28:58.130">So when you toggle the probe<br />the semimembranosus tendon</p>
<p begin="00:28:58.130" end="00:29:00.310">either appears like a black<br />circle or a white circle,</p>
<p begin="00:29:00.310" end="00:29:03.763">whereas the ganglion will<br />essentially just go out of view.</p>
<p begin="00:29:16.250" end="00:29:18.050">This is the case of an 11-year-old boy</p>
<p begin="00:29:18.050" end="00:29:20.550">who presented essentially<br />with a lump behind his knee</p>
<p begin="00:29:20.550" end="00:29:22.612">for six months prior to seeing me.</p>
<p begin="00:29:22.612" end="00:29:26.150">There was no injury, there was<br />really no pain in his knee.</p>
<p begin="00:29:26.150" end="00:29:27.490">Ultrasound did show a Baker's cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:29:27.490" end="00:29:29.090">We did an MRI 'cause I was concerned</p>
<p begin="00:29:29.090" end="00:29:31.410">for any kind of intraarticular pathology</p>
<p begin="00:29:31.410" end="00:29:33.480">and we did actually find a very subtle</p>
<p begin="00:29:33.480" end="00:29:35.290">osteochondral defect of the</p>
<p begin="00:29:35.290" end="00:29:37.090">posterior medial femoral condyle.</p>
<p begin="00:29:37.090" end="00:29:38.560">After about three months of rest</p>
<p begin="00:29:38.560" end="00:29:39.710">and avoiding any sports,</p>
<p begin="00:29:39.710" end="00:29:41.610">the Baker's cyst went away.</p>
<p begin="00:29:41.610" end="00:29:43.650">So here's our 11-year-old boy complaining</p>
<p begin="00:29:43.650" end="00:29:48.223">of about six months of a lump<br />in the back of his left knee.</p>
<p begin="00:29:49.080" end="00:29:52.360">And really no symptoms<br />other than just this lump.</p>
<p begin="00:29:52.360" end="00:29:54.590">Physical exam really didn't show much</p>
<p begin="00:29:54.590" end="00:29:57.573">other than a large mass<br />in the back of his knee.</p>
<p begin="00:30:00.608" end="00:30:01.970">Here's our sagittal view</p>
<p begin="00:30:01.970" end="00:30:02.930">and we can see the Baker's cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:30:02.930" end="00:30:04.900">We can see the semimembranosus muscle</p>
<p begin="00:30:04.900" end="00:30:06.503">transitioning into the tendon.</p>
<p begin="00:30:07.860" end="00:30:10.580">And you can appreciate how<br />thick his hyaline cartilage is</p>
<p begin="00:30:10.580" end="00:30:12.180">over the medial femoral condyle.</p>
<p begin="00:30:13.200" end="00:30:15.560">And this is typical in<br />the pediatric population.</p>
<p begin="00:30:15.560" end="00:30:17.583">You can also see the medial<br />gastrocnemius muscle and tendon</p>
<p begin="00:30:17.583" end="00:30:19.123">nicely here as well.</p>
<p begin="00:30:25.290" end="00:30:27.060">Here's an axial view.</p>
<p begin="00:30:27.060" end="00:30:29.360">Again you can appreciate a Baker's cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:30:29.360" end="00:30:31.933">It does have a nice thick<br />septum within it as well.</p>
<p begin="00:30:35.660" end="00:30:37.890">And you can see that<br />stalk of the Baker's cyst</p>
<p begin="00:30:37.890" end="00:30:39.970">that goes between the<br />medial gastrocnemius tendon</p>
<p begin="00:30:39.970" end="00:30:42.260">and semimembranosus tendon.</p>
<p begin="00:30:53.787" end="00:30:55.560">And here's that subtle<br />osteochondral defect</p>
<p begin="00:30:55.560" end="00:30:57.080">over the posterior medial femoral condyle,</p>
<p begin="00:30:57.080" end="00:30:59.603">which I believe was the<br />cause for this Baker's cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:31:02.190" end="00:31:04.903">This next case is of a<br />lady with a ganglion cyst</p>
<p begin="00:31:04.903" end="00:31:07.010">just posterior to the PCL.</p>
<p begin="00:31:07.010" end="00:31:09.180">It's important not to mistake<br />this for a Baker's cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:31:09.180" end="00:31:11.640">It does not lie between the tendons</p>
<p begin="00:31:11.640" end="00:31:13.033">of the medial gastrocnemius muscle</p>
<p begin="00:31:13.033" end="00:31:14.973">and the semimembranosus muscle.</p>
<p begin="00:31:15.990" end="00:31:18.874">On exam, she did have some pain<br />to palpation in this region</p>
<p begin="00:31:18.874" end="00:31:22.523">and essentially just reassured<br />her it's just a simple cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:31:23.465" end="00:31:24.407">This is a 49-year-old female,</p>
<p begin="00:31:24.407" end="00:31:27.220">pain in her left knee for about a year.</p>
<p begin="00:31:27.220" end="00:31:29.410">She fell directly on it.</p>
<p begin="00:31:29.410" end="00:31:33.563">She does get some locking<br />and pain with walking.</p>
<p begin="00:31:39.770" end="00:31:43.710">MRI did show a small tear<br />of the medial meniscus</p>
<p begin="00:31:43.710" end="00:31:46.010">and a free edge tear of<br />the lateral mensicus.</p>
<p begin="00:31:46.010" end="00:31:49.030">She has significant<br />diffuse osteoarthritis.</p>
<p begin="00:31:49.030" end="00:31:52.268">Also a Baker cyst and<br />she does have a ganglion</p>
<p begin="00:31:52.268" end="00:31:55.083">of the PCL as well.</p>
<p begin="00:31:56.960" end="00:31:59.520">So here's sagittal view<br />of the back of the knee.</p>
<p begin="00:31:59.520" end="00:32:01.000">Right side of the screen is proximal,</p>
<p begin="00:32:01.000" end="00:32:02.963">left side is distal.</p>
<p begin="00:32:04.210" end="00:32:05.400">Here's our first clip.</p>
<p begin="00:32:05.400" end="00:32:08.177">We can see a subtle ganglion cyst</p>
<p begin="00:32:11.360" end="00:32:13.833">just inferior and posterior to the PCL.</p>
<p begin="00:32:25.878" end="00:32:30.730">Right under the popliteal vasculature.</p>
<p begin="00:32:30.730" end="00:32:31.930">Put some color on it just to make sure</p>
<p begin="00:32:31.930" end="00:32:34.343">I'm not mistaking it<br />for a vein or an artery.</p>
<p begin="00:32:35.450" end="00:32:36.444">Here's that cyst</p>
<p begin="00:32:36.444" end="00:32:38.040">and you can see that<br />there's no color flow in it.</p>
<p begin="00:32:38.040" end="00:32:39.980">So that does confirm it's a cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:32:39.980" end="00:32:43.079">You can see the PCL right underneath it.</p>
<p begin="00:32:43.079" end="00:32:45.160">We're gonna have to go<br />deep with this ultrasound</p>
<p begin="00:32:45.160" end="00:32:47.210">so the structures are not entirely clear.</p>
<p begin="00:32:48.968" end="00:32:52.130">Now this structure does<br />not go between the tendons</p>
<p begin="00:32:52.130" end="00:32:54.430">of the medial gastrocnemius muscle</p>
<p begin="00:32:54.430" end="00:32:57.470">and the tendon of the<br />semimembranosus muscle.</p>
<p begin="00:32:57.470" end="00:32:59.543">So it does not qualify as a Baker's cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:33:03.057" end="00:33:04.617">Now we're gonna switch<br />to an axial view of it.</p>
<p begin="00:33:04.617" end="00:33:06.340">The right side of the screen is medial,</p>
<p begin="00:33:06.340" end="00:33:08.440">left side is lateral.</p>
<p begin="00:33:08.440" end="00:33:11.763">Okay I'm starting basically<br />just above the joint distally.</p>
<p begin="00:33:15.493" end="00:33:16.880">Here we are again,</p>
<p begin="00:33:16.880" end="00:33:18.960">just below the popliteal vasculature</p>
<p begin="00:33:18.960" end="00:33:20.853">we can see that cyst come into play.</p>
<p begin="00:33:27.844" end="00:33:30.980">You don't wanna mistake that for a vessel.</p>
<p begin="00:33:30.980" end="00:33:32.633">Put another color on this again.</p>
<p begin="00:33:34.810" end="00:33:36.640">Certainly this is important to do.</p>
<p begin="00:33:36.640" end="00:33:38.510">You wanna make sure it's<br />not a popliteal aneurysm</p>
<p begin="00:33:38.510" end="00:33:39.510">you're dealing with.</p>
<p begin="00:33:44.521" end="00:33:47.854">I'm just right in the view of that cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:33:51.330" end="00:33:53.023">I'd like to thank you for your time</p>
<p begin="00:33:53.023" end="00:33:55.700">that you spent watching these cases.</p>
<p begin="00:33:55.700" end="00:33:57.230">I hope that I've demonstrated</p>
<p begin="00:33:57.230" end="00:34:00.570">that ultrasound can change<br />the way you manage patients.</p>
<p begin="00:34:00.570" end="00:34:01.403">And hopefully elevate</p>
<p begin="00:34:01.403" end="00:34:04.110">the standard of care<br />that you give patients.</p>
<p begin="00:34:04.110" end="00:34:06.030">Again, I appreciate<br />your time and attention,</p>
<p begin="00:34:06.030" end="00:34:07.210">and I'm looking forward to sharing</p>
<p begin="00:34:07.210" end="00:34:09.453">some more cases with you in the future.</p>
<p begin="00:34:15.670" end="00:34:19.110">- [Dan] I want to thank<br />Dr. Scott Weiss again</p>
<p begin="00:34:19.110" end="00:34:20.566">for a tremendous job.</p>
<p begin="00:34:20.566" end="00:34:23.430">I'm gonna go ahead and unmute his line.</p>
<p begin="00:34:23.430" end="00:34:25.370">Dr. Scott Weiss is based in Brooklyn.</p>
<p begin="00:34:25.370" end="00:34:26.540">It's not mentioned in the video</p>
<p begin="00:34:26.540" end="00:34:30.600">but he's basically out<br />of Brooklyn and New York.</p>
<p begin="00:34:30.600" end="00:34:32.470">I believe it's Brooklyn Orthopedics</p>
<p begin="00:34:32.470" end="00:34:33.470">and Sports Medicine.</p>
<p begin="00:34:34.450" end="00:34:36.510">Tremendous ultrasound user and advocate,</p>
<p begin="00:34:36.510" end="00:34:37.590">been using ultrasound now</p>
<p begin="00:34:37.590" end="00:34:39.910">for I think about seven to eight years.</p>
<p begin="00:34:39.910" end="00:34:44.100">So tremendous background with<br />musculoskeletal ultrasound.</p>
<p begin="00:34:44.100" end="00:34:47.960">I'm gonna go ahead and turn<br />the audio over to Dr. Weiss.</p>
<p begin="00:34:47.960" end="00:34:49.323">Dr. Weiss, are you there?</p>
<p begin="00:34:50.370" end="00:34:51.590">- [Dr. Weiss] Yeah hey I'm here, Dan,</p>
<p begin="00:34:51.590" end="00:34:52.423">thanks so much.</p>
<p begin="00:34:53.760" end="00:34:55.110">- [Dan] Thank you for joining us.</p>
<p begin="00:34:55.110" end="00:34:56.797">I'll let you go ahead and kind of talk</p>
<p begin="00:34:56.797" end="00:34:59.230">a little bit about your practice</p>
<p begin="00:34:59.230" end="00:35:02.220">and how you're using<br />musculoskeletal ultrasound</p>
<p begin="00:35:02.220" end="00:35:05.690">right now and then we'll get<br />straight to the questions.</p>
<p begin="00:35:05.690" end="00:35:07.360">- [Dr. Weiss] Okay, well<br />hey, thank you again.</p>
<p begin="00:35:07.360" end="00:35:08.540">Actually I've been using ultrasound</p>
<p begin="00:35:08.540" end="00:35:10.570">for about maybe four and<br />a half or five years,</p>
<p begin="00:35:10.570" end="00:35:13.758">but it really just kind<br />of took over my practice</p>
<p begin="00:35:13.758" end="00:35:17.750">as you can really just do<br />so much more in the office</p>
<p begin="00:35:17.750" end="00:35:20.810">with ultrasound as opposed<br />to not having ultrasound.</p>
<p begin="00:35:20.810" end="00:35:25.437">And particularly with something<br />simple as a Baker's cyst,</p>
<p begin="00:35:25.437" end="00:35:29.010">which most of the time you<br />think you can just drain</p>
<p begin="00:35:29.010" end="00:35:30.510">without ultrasound, but sometimes,</p>
<p begin="00:35:30.510" end="00:35:32.060">and actually more than sometimes</p>
<p begin="00:35:32.060" end="00:35:33.430">they're quite complicated.</p>
<p begin="00:35:33.430" end="00:35:34.750">As you saw in the video they can have</p>
<p begin="00:35:34.750" end="00:35:38.380">various septi, loose bodies and debris.</p>
<p begin="00:35:38.380" end="00:35:40.260">And with ultrasound you can kind of keep</p>
<p begin="00:35:40.260" end="00:35:41.850">your needle tip in the black zone,</p>
<p begin="00:35:41.850" end="00:35:44.380">or in the zone where there's fluid.</p>
<p begin="00:35:44.380" end="00:35:47.100">And then you can drain<br />hopefully the whole cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:35:47.100" end="00:35:48.410">Whereas if you didn't have ultrasound</p>
<p begin="00:35:48.410" end="00:35:50.690">your needle tip may be stuck<br />in some debris or septum</p>
<p begin="00:35:50.690" end="00:35:52.260">or may not be able to breech a septum</p>
<p begin="00:35:52.260" end="00:35:53.690">'cause you wouldn't know about it</p>
<p begin="00:35:53.690" end="00:35:55.883">and you may not completely drain the cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:35:57.670" end="00:35:59.500">So I'd be happy to answer<br />any questions you may have</p>
<p begin="00:35:59.500" end="00:36:02.733">and hope everyone got<br />something out of the videos.</p>
<p begin="00:36:04.270" end="00:36:05.240">- [Dan] Thank you very much.</p>
<p begin="00:36:05.240" end="00:36:07.550">Yes, Baker's cyst, very<br />common questions that we get.</p>
<p begin="00:36:07.550" end="00:36:09.360">A lot of people don't like to go near them</p>
<p begin="00:36:09.360" end="00:36:12.560">and I think your video demonstrations</p>
<p begin="00:36:12.560" end="00:36:14.000">obviously add a level of comfort</p>
<p begin="00:36:14.000" end="00:36:18.990">and sureness to ultrasound<br />guided procedures.</p>
<p begin="00:36:18.990" end="00:36:20.893">So I'm gonna go down the questions.</p>
<p begin="00:36:21.790" end="00:36:26.370">The first one, they did comment<br />a question about sterility.</p>
<p begin="00:36:26.370" end="00:36:31.020">In your video you show sterile<br />drape on the transducer,</p>
<p begin="00:36:31.020" end="00:36:32.430">you show a drape over the patient,</p>
<p begin="00:36:32.430" end="00:36:34.400">you scrubbed with Betadine,</p>
<p begin="00:36:34.400" end="00:36:36.180">you've gone the whole nine yards there.</p>
<p begin="00:36:36.180" end="00:36:37.610">Is that something that you require</p>
<p begin="00:36:37.610" end="00:36:39.150">on all your ultrasound guided procedures</p>
<p begin="00:36:39.150" end="00:36:40.720">or is it just because you're dealing with</p>
<p begin="00:36:40.720" end="00:36:43.400">something that kind of<br />communicates with the joint</p>
<p begin="00:36:43.400" end="00:36:45.423">and could be tricky?</p>
<p begin="00:36:47.080" end="00:36:48.010">- [Dr. Weiss] Very good question.</p>
<p begin="00:36:48.010" end="00:36:49.790">You know when I started<br />off doing injections</p>
<p begin="00:36:49.790" end="00:36:51.786">I did sterile prep for every one,</p>
<p begin="00:36:51.786" end="00:36:55.560">my typical viscosupplementation<br />injections,</p>
<p begin="00:36:55.560" end="00:36:58.210">any kind of injection I<br />use sterile procedure.</p>
<p begin="00:36:58.210" end="00:37:00.250">This is what I was taught</p>
<p begin="00:37:00.250" end="00:37:02.383">at some of the courses that I went to.</p>
<p begin="00:37:03.560" end="00:37:06.090">And as I got more<br />comfortable with ultrasound</p>
<p begin="00:37:06.090" end="00:37:08.006">I started just using sterile<br />technique for procedures</p>
<p begin="00:37:08.006" end="00:37:10.360">where I know the needle's<br />gonna be essentially</p>
<p begin="00:37:10.360" end="00:37:11.260">right under the probe,</p>
<p begin="00:37:11.260" end="00:37:13.030">where you really can't avoid</p>
<p begin="00:37:14.320" end="00:37:17.240">proximity or perhaps even<br />touching of the needle and probe.</p>
<p begin="00:37:17.240" end="00:37:18.780">In those situations I think you really</p>
<p begin="00:37:18.780" end="00:37:20.394">need to use a sterile technique,</p>
<p begin="00:37:20.394" end="00:37:22.390">which is a sterile probe cover</p>
<p begin="00:37:22.390" end="00:37:23.223">or sterile gel,</p>
<p begin="00:37:23.223" end="00:37:24.660">and obviously prep the area.</p>
<p begin="00:37:24.660" end="00:37:26.780">And I think it's better to<br />put the sterile drape also,</p>
<p begin="00:37:26.780" end="00:37:28.240">this way you don't have to worry about</p>
<p begin="00:37:28.240" end="00:37:29.788">contaminating your probe</p>
<p begin="00:37:29.788" end="00:37:33.640">outside the region where you're working.</p>
<p begin="00:37:33.640" end="00:37:36.348">So in Baker's cyst, yeah,<br />I do use a sterile prep</p>
<p begin="00:37:36.348" end="00:37:38.470">because the needle, again,<br />is right under the probe</p>
<p begin="00:37:38.470" end="00:37:42.460">and in that case I take<br />that extra precaution.</p>
<p begin="00:37:42.460" end="00:37:44.810">In my typical suprapatellar injections</p>
<p begin="00:37:44.810" end="00:37:47.120">I started ...</p>
<p begin="00:37:47.120" end="00:37:48.160">Actually over the past couple years</p>
<p begin="00:37:48.160" end="00:37:49.610">I have not used sterile technique</p>
<p begin="00:37:49.610" end="00:37:51.530">because the probe is essentially</p>
<p begin="00:37:51.530" end="00:37:53.340">quite distant from the needle</p>
<p begin="00:37:53.340" end="00:37:54.430">and I'm pretty confident</p>
<p begin="00:37:54.430" end="00:37:57.090">that there's no contact<br />between the probe and needle.</p>
<p begin="00:37:57.090" end="00:38:00.690">However, I still cover the<br />probe with a nonsterile prep.</p>
<p begin="00:38:00.690" end="00:38:01.523">I think you should always</p>
<p begin="00:38:01.523" end="00:38:04.010">cover the probe with a plastic cover</p>
<p begin="00:38:04.010" end="00:38:06.703">regardless of what kind<br />of procedure you're doing.</p>
<p begin="00:38:09.020" end="00:38:09.936">- [Dan] Excellent.</p>
<p begin="00:38:09.936" end="00:38:14.090">We had another question<br />regarding the needle gauge.</p>
<p begin="00:38:14.090" end="00:38:15.420">What size needle do you use?</p>
<p begin="00:38:15.420" end="00:38:17.680">And I think, based on questions</p>
<p begin="00:38:17.680" end="00:38:18.513">I've heard in the past as well,</p>
<p begin="00:38:18.513" end="00:38:20.780">this is probably due to the viscosity</p>
<p begin="00:38:20.780" end="00:38:22.833">of what you're aspirating,<br />is that correct?</p>
<p begin="00:38:23.950" end="00:38:25.610">- [Dr. Weiss] Definitely<br />that is a big part.</p>
<p begin="00:38:25.610" end="00:38:26.880">So any kind of ganglion cyst,</p>
<p begin="00:38:26.880" end="00:38:28.854">there was one Baker cyst that<br />actually had a ganglionic</p>
<p begin="00:38:28.854" end="00:38:30.350">type of portion to it,</p>
<p begin="00:38:30.350" end="00:38:32.550">where it was very thick viscous fluid.</p>
<p begin="00:38:32.550" end="00:38:33.936">In those situations you wanna use</p>
<p begin="00:38:33.936" end="00:38:36.070">at least an 18-gauge needle.</p>
<p begin="00:38:36.070" end="00:38:37.200">There have been times where I actually</p>
<p begin="00:38:37.200" end="00:38:41.420">used a 16.5-gauge needle for, let's say,</p>
<p begin="00:38:41.420" end="00:38:43.904">hematomas or even ganglions,</p>
<p begin="00:38:43.904" end="00:38:46.280">which makes it much easier to aspirate.</p>
<p begin="00:38:46.280" end="00:38:48.180">You're actually causing<br />less pain to the patient,</p>
<p begin="00:38:48.180" end="00:38:49.639">I believe,</p>
<p begin="00:38:49.639" end="00:38:50.472">if you use a bigger needle</p>
<p begin="00:38:50.472" end="00:38:52.550">because you can just drain<br />it much more effectively,</p>
<p begin="00:38:52.550" end="00:38:56.210">the needle can just stay<br />in for much less time</p>
<p begin="00:38:56.210" end="00:38:57.457">as opposed to using a smaller needle.</p>
<p begin="00:38:57.457" end="00:38:59.610">And I think the fact<br />the procedure's quicker</p>
<p begin="00:38:59.610" end="00:39:02.550">with a bigger needle<br />makes it less painful.</p>
<p begin="00:39:02.550" end="00:39:05.070">So for Baker's cyst, usually<br />the fluid is pretty thin.</p>
<p begin="00:39:05.070" end="00:39:07.450">It's typically just like<br />joint fluid in a Baker's cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:39:07.450" end="00:39:09.400">So the viscosity is really not</p>
<p begin="00:39:09.400" end="00:39:11.403">much of an issue with the Baker's cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:39:12.970" end="00:39:14.050">But there are ...</p>
<p begin="00:39:14.050" end="00:39:15.180">There could be debris in there,</p>
<p begin="00:39:15.180" end="00:39:19.060">kind of like synovitis<br />within a suprapatellar pouch.</p>
<p begin="00:39:19.060" end="00:39:21.760">And in those cases it's<br />better to use a bigger needle,</p>
<p begin="00:39:21.760" end="00:39:23.110">less likely to get clogged.</p>
<p begin="00:39:25.730" end="00:39:27.211">- [Dan] Okay and we have another one-</p>
<p begin="00:39:27.211" end="00:39:28.263">yep, go ahead.</p>
<p begin="00:39:29.240" end="00:39:30.244">Sorry to cut you off.</p>
<p begin="00:39:30.244" end="00:39:31.077">Go ahead.</p>
<p begin="00:39:31.077" end="00:39:31.910">- [Dr. Weiss] Just any aspiration</p>
<p begin="00:39:31.910" end="00:39:33.130">I use at least an 18-gauge needle,</p>
<p begin="00:39:33.130" end="00:39:36.220">even if there doesn't<br />appear to be much synovitis</p>
<p begin="00:39:36.220" end="00:39:38.390">or thick fluid just because it makes it,</p>
<p begin="00:39:38.390" end="00:39:39.390">again, much quicker.</p>
<p begin="00:39:41.950" end="00:39:42.880">- [Dan] Okay.</p>
<p begin="00:39:42.880" end="00:39:46.250">Do you follow these up<br />with any kind of injectate?</p>
<p begin="00:39:46.250" end="00:39:49.710">Do you put any steroids in<br />or do you just aspirate?</p>
<p begin="00:39:49.710" end="00:39:50.790">- [Dr. Weiss] Usually yeah.</p>
<p begin="00:39:50.790" end="00:39:54.130">Almost always I inject<br />cortisone in the Baker's cyst</p>
<p begin="00:39:54.130" end="00:39:56.480">after my aspiration.</p>
<p begin="00:39:56.480" end="00:39:57.840">And I guess there was</p>
<p begin="00:39:57.840" end="00:40:00.000">some concern about<br />aspirating Baker's cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:40:00.000" end="00:40:02.490">I'm usually in no rush to<br />aspirate a Baker's cyst</p>
<p begin="00:40:02.490" end="00:40:05.144">unless it's really causing discomfort,</p>
<p begin="00:40:05.144" end="00:40:06.080">'cause they often come back.</p>
<p begin="00:40:06.080" end="00:40:08.600">And they're usually indicative<br />of arthritis in the knee.</p>
<p begin="00:40:08.600" end="00:40:11.030">Sometimes a meniscal tear can do it.</p>
<p begin="00:40:11.030" end="00:40:14.392">And you know if the underlying<br />problem is still there,</p>
<p begin="00:40:14.392" end="00:40:16.210">very often they do come back.</p>
<p begin="00:40:16.210" end="00:40:17.333">But in my experience though<br />when people have a lot of pain</p>
<p begin="00:40:17.333" end="00:40:19.570">and you drain it they do get relief</p>
<p begin="00:40:19.570" end="00:40:22.090">and it usually lasts for a while.</p>
<p begin="00:40:22.090" end="00:40:22.990">At least several months</p>
<p begin="00:40:22.990" end="00:40:25.730">or sometimes it just kind of<br />takes care of the problem.</p>
<p begin="00:40:25.730" end="00:40:28.570">And when they do come back<br />it may not come back as big.</p>
<p begin="00:40:28.570" end="00:40:31.350">So I do think it's worthwhile<br />draining the Baker's cyst,</p>
<p begin="00:40:31.350" end="00:40:33.853">but, again, only in certain situations.</p>
<p begin="00:40:36.020" end="00:40:36.853">- [Dan] Okay.</p>
<p begin="00:40:36.853" end="00:40:38.750">Do you aspirate ...</p>
<p begin="00:40:38.750" end="00:40:41.270">Or do you have to aspirate<br />the front of the knee</p>
<p begin="00:40:41.270" end="00:40:43.320">any time you're attacking a Baker's cyst?</p>
<p begin="00:40:44.420" end="00:40:46.980">- [Dr. Weiss] That's<br />an excellent question.</p>
<p begin="00:40:46.980" end="00:40:49.780">Yes you should check<br />the suprapatellar pouch</p>
<p begin="00:40:49.780" end="00:40:51.300">to make sure there's no significant</p>
<p begin="00:40:51.300" end="00:40:53.730">fluid in the suprapatellar pouch.</p>
<p begin="00:40:53.730" end="00:40:55.667">'Cause then when you drain the cyst</p>
<p begin="00:40:55.667" end="00:40:58.000">it may just fill up right away.</p>
<p begin="00:40:58.000" end="00:41:01.410">So you wanna drain both compartments.</p>
<p begin="00:41:01.410" end="00:41:03.380">Now the question is which<br />order should you do it.</p>
<p begin="00:41:03.380" end="00:41:05.010">I guess technically it<br />probably makes sense</p>
<p begin="00:41:05.010" end="00:41:07.394">for us to do the suprapatellar pouch</p>
<p begin="00:41:07.394" end="00:41:09.293">and then the Baker's cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:41:10.286" end="00:41:13.900">But either way it sounds<br />like it can fill up,</p>
<p begin="00:41:13.900" end="00:41:16.233">even if you drain the Baker's cyst first.</p>
<p begin="00:41:17.510" end="00:41:20.003">I mean if you drain the<br />suprapatellar pouch first,</p>
<p begin="00:41:21.000" end="00:41:22.150">that fluid from the Baker's cyst,</p>
<p begin="00:41:22.150" end="00:41:24.120">who knows it may escape<br />into the suprapatellar pouch</p>
<p begin="00:41:24.120" end="00:41:25.350">and then come back.</p>
<p begin="00:41:25.350" end="00:41:26.230">So it's a little tricky,</p>
<p begin="00:41:26.230" end="00:41:29.580">but in my experience I<br />don't think the fluid</p>
<p begin="00:41:29.580" end="00:41:33.003">moves that quickly from<br />joint to the Baker's cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:41:33.003" end="00:41:35.972">And I think there is like a ...</p>
<p begin="00:41:35.972" end="00:41:38.120">There is usually a little<br />breech in the capsule</p>
<p begin="00:41:38.120" end="00:41:39.870">posteriorly as you get older.</p>
<p begin="00:41:39.870" end="00:41:42.000">And I don't think it<br />fills up that quickly.</p>
<p begin="00:41:42.000" end="00:41:43.110">So I think you have time.</p>
<p begin="00:41:43.110" end="00:41:44.220">If you drain the Baker's cyst</p>
<p begin="00:41:44.220" end="00:41:46.140">and then later in that same visit</p>
<p begin="00:41:46.140" end="00:41:47.350">drain the suprapatellar pouch,</p>
<p begin="00:41:47.350" end="00:41:50.060">that I think is fine as well.</p>
<p begin="00:41:50.060" end="00:41:52.072">In fact, you can probably inject either or</p>
<p begin="00:41:52.072" end="00:41:55.073">with cortisone because technically</p>
<p begin="00:41:55.073" end="00:41:57.729">a fair amount of the time the cortisone</p>
<p begin="00:41:57.729" end="00:42:02.710">will go right into the<br />Baker cyst from the joint.</p>
<p begin="00:42:02.710" end="00:42:03.950">I've done that sometimes as well</p>
<p begin="00:42:03.950" end="00:42:06.220">where I would inject<br />the joint with cortisone</p>
<p begin="00:42:06.220" end="00:42:07.960">and then not inject the Baker's cyst</p>
<p begin="00:42:07.960" end="00:42:09.760">because with the thought<br />that it would just</p>
<p begin="00:42:09.760" end="00:42:11.360">communicate to the Baker's cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:42:13.350" end="00:42:16.980">- [Dan] Okay. The next one has to do ...</p>
<p begin="00:42:16.980" end="00:42:17.813">Yep.</p>
<p begin="00:42:17.813" end="00:42:20.780">The next one has to do<br />with ruptured Baker's cyst,</p>
<p begin="00:42:20.780" end="00:42:22.740">how can you tell if one is ruptured?</p>
<p begin="00:42:22.740" end="00:42:24.473">And what do you do after that?</p>
<p begin="00:42:25.870" end="00:42:26.703">- [Dr. Weiss] Excellent question.</p>
<p begin="00:42:26.703" end="00:42:29.780">One of the videos showed<br />a ruptured Baker's cyst,</p>
<p begin="00:42:29.780" end="00:42:32.180">where you'll see some<br />dark fluid type signal</p>
<p begin="00:42:32.180" end="00:42:34.563">within the medial gastrocnemius muscle.</p>
<p begin="00:42:35.530" end="00:42:37.372">So that with the right story,</p>
<p begin="00:42:37.372" end="00:42:40.040">usually I can kind of hang my hat on that.</p>
<p begin="00:42:40.040" end="00:42:42.700">And I don't have to<br />worry about a blood clot.</p>
<p begin="00:42:42.700" end="00:42:44.840">But I usually send<br />people out for a followup</p>
<p begin="00:42:44.840" end="00:42:46.670">ultrasound to rule out DVT anyway</p>
<p begin="00:42:46.670" end="00:42:48.830">because that is such an easy thing to do</p>
<p begin="00:42:48.830" end="00:42:50.580">and to diagnose.</p>
<p begin="00:42:50.580" end="00:42:51.413">And if you miss it,</p>
<p begin="00:42:51.413" end="00:42:52.530">it could be potentially fatal</p>
<p begin="00:42:52.530" end="00:42:54.630">as it could travel up to the lung to clot.</p>
<p begin="00:42:55.589" end="00:42:59.090">But in the office I can<br />pretty much confidently say</p>
<p begin="00:42:59.090" end="00:43:00.510">you have a ruptured Baker's cyst</p>
<p begin="00:43:00.510" end="00:43:02.930">and you should get an ultrasound</p>
<p begin="00:43:02.930" end="00:43:04.535">but I don't feel like they have to go</p>
<p begin="00:43:04.535" end="00:43:08.450">right to the emergency room<br />to get a stat vascular study.</p>
<p begin="00:43:08.450" end="00:43:11.760">But again, on ultrasound you'll<br />usually see a Baker's cyst,</p>
<p begin="00:43:11.760" end="00:43:14.300">but you'll compare the<br />medial gastrocnemius muscle</p>
<p begin="00:43:14.300" end="00:43:16.280">with the lateral gastrocnemius muscle,</p>
<p begin="00:43:16.280" end="00:43:17.380">and you'll see how there's just</p>
<p begin="00:43:17.380" end="00:43:20.150">darker signal fluid within the</p>
<p begin="00:43:20.150" end="00:43:21.450">medial gastrocnemius muscle</p>
<p begin="00:43:21.450" end="00:43:23.550">consistent with fluid and a ruptured cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:43:23.550" end="00:43:28.550">And usually the history is also<br />pretty consistent with that</p>
<p begin="00:43:28.830" end="00:43:30.930">as they'll have tremendous<br />pain in the calf</p>
<p begin="00:43:30.930" end="00:43:32.060">and pain to palpation.</p>
<p begin="00:43:32.060" end="00:43:34.873">Which, again, could be difficult<br />to distinguish from a DVT.</p>
<p begin="00:43:37.560" end="00:43:40.060">So in that situation ultrasound really can</p>
<p begin="00:43:40.060" end="00:43:41.260">kind of point you one way or the other,</p>
<p begin="00:43:41.260" end="00:43:42.480">where it's difficult clinically</p>
<p begin="00:43:42.480" end="00:43:43.313">and by physical exam</p>
<p begin="00:43:43.313" end="00:43:46.220">to distinguish DVT versus a ruptured cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:43:50.400" end="00:43:52.740">- [Dan] Okay have you<br />ever had a Baker's cyst</p>
<p begin="00:43:52.740" end="00:43:54.363">that could not be aspirated?</p>
<p begin="00:43:57.232" end="00:43:59.680">- [Dr. Weiss] You mean that I<br />couldn't get fluid out of it,</p>
<p begin="00:43:59.680" end="00:44:02.050">or that wasn't fluid,</p>
<p begin="00:44:02.050" end="00:44:03.470">or I mean ...?</p>
<p begin="00:44:03.470" end="00:44:05.990">- [Dan] Well, they didn't really clarify</p>
<p begin="00:44:05.990" end="00:44:08.730">so I'm not sure how common<br />that would actually happen</p>
<p begin="00:44:08.730" end="00:44:11.080">so I'll kind of leave<br />it up to you clinically</p>
<p begin="00:44:11.080" end="00:44:13.100">to decide whether or not they think</p>
<p begin="00:44:13.100" end="00:44:14.610">maybe it's too solid</p>
<p begin="00:44:14.610" end="00:44:18.186">or maybe just too loculated.</p>
<p begin="00:44:18.186" end="00:44:20.460">I'm not too sure, maybe they'll clarify</p>
<p begin="00:44:20.460" end="00:44:22.963">and we'll get a part two on that question.</p>
<p begin="00:44:23.890" end="00:44:24.723">- [Dr. Weiss] Right.</p>
<p begin="00:44:24.723" end="00:44:25.900">Well one thing you wanna make sure,</p>
<p begin="00:44:25.900" end="00:44:27.890">sometimes things look like a cyst</p>
<p begin="00:44:27.890" end="00:44:29.300">and they're solid,</p>
<p begin="00:44:29.300" end="00:44:31.999">and also on MRI they<br />can appear to be a cyst</p>
<p begin="00:44:31.999" end="00:44:34.100">and they can be solid as well sometimes.</p>
<p begin="00:44:34.100" end="00:44:36.210">So location is very important.</p>
<p begin="00:44:36.210" end="00:44:38.290">If you have a cyst<br />that's deep to the muscle</p>
<p begin="00:44:38.290" end="00:44:40.743">within the medial gastrocnemius muscle,</p>
<p begin="00:44:40.743" end="00:44:43.900">you may want to start<br />thinking about a neoplasm</p>
<p begin="00:44:43.900" end="00:44:45.880">such as a synovial sarcoma,</p>
<p begin="00:44:45.880" end="00:44:47.417">which you may put a needle in it,</p>
<p begin="00:44:47.417" end="00:44:48.763">you may get nothing out,</p>
<p begin="00:44:50.223" end="00:44:53.010">and then that basically tells<br />you it's probably solid,</p>
<p begin="00:44:53.010" end="00:44:56.373">in which case you gotta<br />work up a possible neoplasm.</p>
<p begin="00:44:57.600" end="00:44:59.360">That's one situation<br />where you put a needle in</p>
<p begin="00:44:59.360" end="00:45:00.550">and get nothing out.</p>
<p begin="00:45:00.550" end="00:45:01.747">I mean sometimes it<br />could be a Baker's cyst</p>
<p begin="00:45:01.747" end="00:45:03.317">and just a lot of debris</p>
<p begin="00:45:03.317" end="00:45:04.180">and loose bodies,</p>
<p begin="00:45:04.180" end="00:45:06.190">and it's just hard to navigate</p>
<p begin="00:45:06.190" end="00:45:08.383">the needle in clear fluid to aspirate.</p>
<p begin="00:45:09.310" end="00:45:11.403">So sometimes that can happen as well.</p>
<p begin="00:45:15.070" end="00:45:15.970">- [Dan] Okay.</p>
<p begin="00:45:15.970" end="00:45:17.737">The next one is likely from</p>
<p begin="00:45:17.737" end="00:45:19.770">a more experienced ultrasound user</p>
<p begin="00:45:19.770" end="00:45:22.540">because of the question nature.</p>
<p begin="00:45:22.540" end="00:45:27.343">Have you ever mistaken<br />anisotropy for a Baker's cyst?</p>
<p begin="00:45:29.110" end="00:45:30.310">- [Dr. Weiss] Well that<br />is one of the things</p>
<p begin="00:45:30.310" end="00:45:31.760">you want to be careful with.</p>
<p begin="00:45:31.760" end="00:45:33.820">Certainly the semimembranosus tendon,</p>
<p begin="00:45:33.820" end="00:45:35.432">in axial view,</p>
<p begin="00:45:35.432" end="00:45:37.710">you can have a fair amount of anisotropy</p>
<p begin="00:45:37.710" end="00:45:39.343">and it can look just like a Baker's cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:45:39.343" end="00:45:42.460">And the fact that a Baker's<br />cyst is usually bilobed</p>
<p begin="00:45:42.460" end="00:45:45.210">or it basically wraps around<br />the medial gastrocnemius</p>
<p begin="00:45:45.210" end="00:45:48.323">muscle tendon with<br />concavity pointed laterally.</p>
<p begin="00:45:49.710" end="00:45:52.440">Sometimes you may mistake<br />one of those lobes</p>
<p begin="00:45:52.440" end="00:45:53.850">for a ...</p>
<p begin="00:45:53.850" end="00:45:56.010">Sometimes you may mistake<br />the semimembranosus tendon</p>
<p begin="00:45:56.010" end="00:45:58.080">for one of those lobes of a Baker's cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:45:58.080" end="00:45:59.639">So certainly you have to<br />be careful with anisotropy,</p>
<p begin="00:45:59.639" end="00:46:01.910">particularly with the<br />semimembranosus tendon,</p>
<p begin="00:46:01.910" end="00:46:04.370">because that tendon is<br />pretty wide and big,</p>
<p begin="00:46:04.370" end="00:46:07.420">so when there is anisotropy of that tendon</p>
<p begin="00:46:07.420" end="00:46:09.300">it's fairly sizeable and<br />it could look like a cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:46:09.300" end="00:46:11.480">That's why you really<br />gotta toggle your probe</p>
<p begin="00:46:11.480" end="00:46:15.073">and make sure you're not<br />mistaking a tendon for a cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:46:17.950" end="00:46:19.000">- [Dan] Great answer.</p>
<p begin="00:46:20.869" end="00:46:22.790">As of right now, we are out of questions.</p>
<p begin="00:46:22.790" end="00:46:24.787">So if anybody has anymore<br />questions to submit</p>
<p begin="00:46:24.787" end="00:46:26.513">now would be the time.</p>
<p begin="00:46:27.700" end="00:46:28.620">- [Dr. Weiss] Sure.</p>
<p begin="00:46:28.620" end="00:46:30.342">I'd be happy to stay on the line.</p>
<p begin="00:46:30.342" end="00:46:33.260">- [Dan] I was gonna ask, Dr. Weiss,</p>
<p begin="00:46:33.260" end="00:46:34.790">in your learning curve,</p>
<p begin="00:46:34.790" end="00:46:37.740">how long would you say it took</p>
<p begin="00:46:37.740" end="00:46:38.799">for you to become proficient</p>
<p begin="00:46:38.799" end="00:46:41.190">in distinguishing solid</p>
<p begin="00:46:43.261" end="00:46:44.964">verus cystic masses on ultrasound</p>
<p begin="00:46:44.964" end="00:46:45.843">in the case of Baker cyst especially.</p>
<p begin="00:46:46.960" end="00:46:48.903">What was that learning curve like for you?</p>
<p begin="00:46:50.530" end="00:46:51.720">- [Dr. Weiss] That's a great question.</p>
<p begin="00:46:51.720" end="00:46:54.010">And again, one of the<br />things you wanna make sure</p>
<p begin="00:46:54.010" end="00:46:56.203">you don't mistake a solid mass for a cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:46:58.480" end="00:47:01.130">So certainly on physical exam</p>
<p begin="00:47:01.130" end="00:47:03.940">it could be difficult<br />to distinguish the two.</p>
<p begin="00:47:03.940" end="00:47:06.067">But there are some signs that you wanna</p>
<p begin="00:47:06.067" end="00:47:08.870">take into account such as the texture,</p>
<p begin="00:47:08.870" end="00:47:09.703">the hardness of it,</p>
<p begin="00:47:09.703" end="00:47:10.536">the mobility of it,</p>
<p begin="00:47:10.536" end="00:47:11.650">which may make you think more towards</p>
<p begin="00:47:11.650" end="00:47:15.043">a neoplasm versus a cystic structure.</p>
<p begin="00:47:17.350" end="00:47:19.230">The consistency within the cyst,</p>
<p begin="00:47:19.230" end="00:47:21.413">if it's very heterogenic,</p>
<p begin="00:47:22.760" end="00:47:24.689">with a lot of different consistencies,</p>
<p begin="00:47:24.689" end="00:47:28.910">ranging from hypoechoic to hyperecoic,</p>
<p begin="00:47:28.910" end="00:47:30.033">that may make you think more in line</p>
<p begin="00:47:30.033" end="00:47:35.033">with a solid structure as well.</p>
<p begin="00:47:35.260" end="00:47:40.260">And those are the kinds of<br />things you wanna be careful.</p>
<p begin="00:47:40.340" end="00:47:42.720">Certainly you put a needle in<br />it that's an easy way to tell</p>
<p begin="00:47:42.720" end="00:47:47.720">because if you get something<br />back it's obviously not solid.</p>
<p begin="00:47:47.910" end="00:47:50.250">But you probably wanna<br />kinda have a good idea</p>
<p begin="00:47:50.250" end="00:47:51.190">before you put a needle in</p>
<p begin="00:47:51.190" end="00:47:52.780">because if it is a malignancy</p>
<p begin="00:47:52.780" end="00:47:55.160">it's better not to contaminate it</p>
<p begin="00:47:55.160" end="00:47:56.510">or kind of breech it with a needle</p>
<p begin="00:47:56.510" end="00:47:57.743">if it's not necessary.</p>
<p begin="00:48:01.040" end="00:48:02.197">- [Dan] Excellent answer.</p>
<p begin="00:48:02.197" end="00:48:04.613">We do have another question.</p>
<p begin="00:48:07.060" end="00:48:08.799">Okay. All right so</p>
<p begin="00:48:08.799" end="00:48:12.570">this particular individual<br />missed the answer</p>
<p begin="00:48:12.570" end="00:48:13.630">on the size of the needle</p>
<p begin="00:48:13.630" end="00:48:17.760">for aspirating a ganglion versus the cyst.</p>
<p begin="00:48:20.613" end="00:48:22.683">- [Dr. Weiss] I'm sorry, what question?</p>
<p begin="00:48:22.683" end="00:48:24.043">What was the question again?</p>
<p begin="00:48:24.890" end="00:48:27.080">- [Dan] I guess what<br />gauge of needle would you</p>
<p begin="00:48:27.080" end="00:48:29.470">use to aspirate a ganglion cyst</p>
<p begin="00:48:29.470" end="00:48:31.363">versus just a cystic structure?</p>
<p begin="00:48:32.832" end="00:48:34.937">- [Dr. Weiss] I mean a ganglion</p>
<p begin="00:48:36.320" end="00:48:39.180">usually you can get away<br />with an 18-gauge needle.</p>
<p begin="00:48:39.180" end="00:48:41.230">That's probably the smallest I would use.</p>
<p begin="00:48:42.930" end="00:48:44.360">If it's a big ganglion</p>
<p begin="00:48:44.360" end="00:48:47.390">and it's pretty easy to access,</p>
<p begin="00:48:47.390" end="00:48:50.070">I would probably use a 16.5-gauge,</p>
<p begin="00:48:50.070" end="00:48:50.970">believe it or not,</p>
<p begin="00:48:51.950" end="00:48:54.880">this way it's your best<br />chance of draining it.</p>
<p begin="00:48:54.880" end="00:48:56.360">Sometimes you could put your needle</p>
<p begin="00:48:56.360" end="00:48:57.200">right in the middle of a ganglion</p>
<p begin="00:48:57.200" end="00:49:00.670">and get nothing out because<br />the fluid can be so thick.</p>
<p begin="00:49:00.670" end="00:49:03.920">So I think it's good<br />to have in your arsenal</p>
<p begin="00:49:03.920" end="00:49:06.280">also those 16.5-gauge needles</p>
<p begin="00:49:07.560" end="00:49:10.793">that just make it easier to drain,</p>
<p begin="00:49:12.395" end="00:49:13.440">particularly with that ganglion</p>
<p begin="00:49:13.440" end="00:49:14.993">that was at the distal femur,</p>
<p begin="00:49:17.010" end="00:49:18.319">that was difficult to drain</p>
<p begin="00:49:18.319" end="00:49:21.423">with an 18-gauge needle I believe I used.</p>
<p begin="00:49:23.230" end="00:49:25.500">Yeah with our ganglion you<br />wanna use a thicker needle.</p>
<p begin="00:49:25.500" end="00:49:26.333">Even in the wrist,</p>
<p begin="00:49:26.333" end="00:49:27.949">where you're not going in very deep,</p>
<p begin="00:49:27.949" end="00:49:31.337">you need a pretty wide bore needle</p>
<p begin="00:49:31.337" end="00:49:32.693">to get that fluid out.</p>
<p begin="00:49:38.009" end="00:49:39.570">- [Dan] Thank you for answering that.</p>
<p begin="00:49:39.570" end="00:49:41.109">Let's see ...</p>
<p begin="00:49:41.109" end="00:49:42.686">Still waiting on any more<br />clinical questions there.</p>
<p begin="00:49:42.686" end="00:49:45.063">We've got a lot of<br />positive comments there.</p>
<p begin="00:49:46.430" end="00:49:47.615">Let's see ...</p>
<p begin="00:49:47.615" end="00:49:49.060">We're just gonna scroll<br />through the chat window,</p>
<p begin="00:49:49.060" end="00:49:50.860">make sure I haven't missed anything.</p>
<p begin="00:49:56.370" end="00:49:57.860">We'll wait just a few more minutes</p>
<p begin="00:49:57.860" end="00:49:59.393">for anybody that wants to go ahead</p>
<p begin="00:49:59.393" end="00:50:00.330">and get another question in.</p>
<p begin="00:50:00.330" end="00:50:02.410">If not, being end of the day,</p>
<p begin="00:50:02.410" end="00:50:06.150">we may be also approaching the time</p>
<p begin="00:50:06.150" end="00:50:09.403">everybody's trying to get offline.</p>
<p begin="00:50:10.770" end="00:50:13.200">Dr. Weiss, tremendous videos.</p>
<p begin="00:50:13.200" end="00:50:15.530">The animation was very nice.</p>
<p begin="00:50:15.530" end="00:50:16.627">Great job on that.</p>
<p begin="00:50:16.627" end="00:50:17.460">- [Dr. Weiss] Thank you.</p>
<p begin="00:50:17.460" end="00:50:19.113">- [Dan] I understand that<br />you did that from scratch,</p>
<p begin="00:50:19.113" end="00:50:20.855">that's your own animation,</p>
<p begin="00:50:20.855" end="00:50:24.750">that's not a model that you got.</p>
<p begin="00:50:24.750" end="00:50:26.970">- [Dr. Weiss] Yeah it's fun.</p>
<p begin="00:50:26.970" end="00:50:28.460">You know anatomy can be complicated</p>
<p begin="00:50:28.460" end="00:50:30.800">and when you build these models</p>
<p begin="00:50:30.800" end="00:50:33.120">it really teaches you the anatomy</p>
<p begin="00:50:33.120" end="00:50:35.760">because you really have to think in 3D</p>
<p begin="00:50:35.760" end="00:50:37.350">and put things in 3D.</p>
<p begin="00:50:37.350" end="00:50:40.880">And you realize how<br />complicated the body is.</p>
<p begin="00:50:40.880" end="00:50:41.900">It's amazing how things</p>
<p begin="00:50:41.900" end="00:50:43.540">kind of fit right on top of each other</p>
<p begin="00:50:43.540" end="00:50:44.540">and into each other.</p>
<p begin="00:50:45.430" end="00:50:47.250">So modeling actually kind of forces you</p>
<p begin="00:50:47.250" end="00:50:49.210">really to learn the anatomy well.</p>
<p begin="00:50:49.210" end="00:50:52.163">And that's what ultrasound<br />is really about,</p>
<p begin="00:50:53.053" end="00:50:54.850">knowing your anatomy</p>
<p begin="00:50:54.850" end="00:50:55.860">and knowing what's normal,</p>
<p begin="00:50:55.860" end="00:50:57.130">what's abnormal.</p>
<p begin="00:50:57.130" end="00:51:00.650">But I can't stress enough<br />to really constantly</p>
<p begin="00:51:00.650" end="00:51:01.810">review your anatomy.</p>
<p begin="00:51:01.810" end="00:51:02.930">The better you know your anatomy,</p>
<p begin="00:51:02.930" end="00:51:04.400">the better you'll be able to figure out</p>
<p begin="00:51:04.400" end="00:51:06.050">what you're seeing on ultrasound.</p>
<p begin="00:51:09.170" end="00:51:12.370">- [Dan] We did just get a comment</p>
<p begin="00:51:12.370" end="00:51:16.730">about the cold spray<br />being used on transducers,</p>
<p begin="00:51:16.730" end="00:51:19.573">and I wanna comment as<br />somebody that's direct</p>
<p begin="00:51:19.573" end="00:51:21.340">from the factory here</p>
<p begin="00:51:21.340" end="00:51:24.460">on the safety of the transducer rubber</p>
<p begin="00:51:24.460" end="00:51:25.985">with cold spray.</p>
<p begin="00:51:25.985" end="00:51:28.500">I'm gonna encourage anybody<br />that uses cold spray</p>
<p begin="00:51:28.500" end="00:51:31.330">around the ultrasound<br />to cover the transducer</p>
<p begin="00:51:31.330" end="00:51:33.500">to protect it because that cold spray</p>
<p begin="00:51:33.500" end="00:51:36.370">will degrade rubber and plastic,</p>
<p begin="00:51:36.370" end="00:51:37.663">and if you use ...</p>
<p begin="00:51:38.710" end="00:51:42.440">If you commonly used Tegaderms<br />to cover your transducer,</p>
<p begin="00:51:42.440" end="00:51:44.270">which we don't necessarily recommend,</p>
<p begin="00:51:44.270" end="00:51:46.823">I know lots of people do<br />it because they're sterile,</p>
<p begin="00:51:46.823" end="00:51:48.490">but it's not the intended use</p>
<p begin="00:51:48.490" end="00:51:50.343">of a Tegaderm for a few reasons.</p>
<p begin="00:51:51.680" end="00:51:54.560">People that use Tegaderms with cold spray,</p>
<p begin="00:51:54.560" end="00:51:57.730">find that the cold spray<br />melts it to the transducer,</p>
<p begin="00:51:57.730" end="00:51:59.740">so it will actually bond it to the probe</p>
<p begin="00:51:59.740" end="00:52:02.400">and things start looking pretty ugly.</p>
<p begin="00:52:02.400" end="00:52:04.240">If you do not cover your transducer</p>
<p begin="00:52:04.240" end="00:52:05.700">when using cold spray you will degrade</p>
<p begin="00:52:05.700" end="00:52:08.010">the rubber surface and<br />it will become brittle.</p>
<p begin="00:52:08.010" end="00:52:11.230">The climate that we had was<br />from a sonographer of 17 years.</p>
<p begin="00:52:11.230" end="00:52:12.950">She's now in sports medicine.</p>
<p begin="00:52:12.950" end="00:52:14.500">They had a transducer get damaged</p>
<p begin="00:52:14.500" end="00:52:16.510">to the point of being so dangerous</p>
<p begin="00:52:17.476" end="00:52:19.670">that it could have actually<br />electrocuted a patient.</p>
<p begin="00:52:19.670" end="00:52:21.563">This was in past years I assume.</p>
<p begin="00:52:24.200" end="00:52:26.590">Later in the comments it actually says</p>
<p begin="00:52:26.590" end="00:52:27.970">they saw there in the presentation</p>
<p begin="00:52:27.970" end="00:52:29.930">that she used the same thing.</p>
<p begin="00:52:29.930" end="00:52:31.700">They had to pull the<br />transducer from service</p>
<p begin="00:52:31.700" end="00:52:34.366">do to following safety standards.</p>
<p begin="00:52:34.366" end="00:52:36.470">Their QC process.</p>
<p begin="00:52:36.470" end="00:52:37.950">She goes on to say ...</p>
<p begin="00:52:37.950" end="00:52:39.930">All right, I'm not sure<br />actually if it's a she.</p>
<p begin="00:52:39.930" end="00:52:40.930">Hold on.</p>
<p begin="00:52:40.930" end="00:52:41.950">Yes by the name.</p>
<p begin="00:52:41.950" end="00:52:43.670">It says I just wanna<br />let you know so that the</p>
<p begin="00:52:43.670" end="00:52:46.500">same thing doesn't happen to any of yours.</p>
<p begin="00:52:46.500" end="00:52:47.673">I enjoyed the presentation.</p>
<p begin="00:52:47.673" end="00:52:51.230">This will be great value.</p>
<p begin="00:52:51.230" end="00:52:52.700">The sonographer of 17 years.</p>
<p begin="00:52:52.700" end="00:52:56.350">So anybody who has been trying to learn</p>
<p begin="00:52:56.350" end="00:52:57.990">MSK ultrasound over the years</p>
<p begin="00:52:57.990" end="00:52:59.870">probably knows that it's usually something</p>
<p begin="00:52:59.870" end="00:53:02.020">you have to figure out on your own.</p>
<p begin="00:53:02.020" end="00:53:03.980">There's not a lot of<br />support systems out there</p>
<p begin="00:53:03.980" end="00:53:07.419">to learn MSK ultrasound 'cause<br />it's still considered so new.</p>
<p begin="00:53:07.419" end="00:53:10.990">So that's what makes a<br />presentation like this a treat.</p>
<p begin="00:53:10.990" end="00:53:14.360">To have somebody as<br />experienced as you, Dr. Weiss,</p>
<p begin="00:53:14.360" end="00:53:17.260">getting on and helping<br />these guys trouble shoot</p>
<p begin="00:53:17.260" end="00:53:20.064">so they don't have to go through</p>
<p begin="00:53:20.064" end="00:53:21.714">all the trouble shooting process.</p>
<p begin="00:53:22.920" end="00:53:25.152">In closing, to that comment,</p>
<p begin="00:53:25.152" end="00:53:29.410">I noticed with your level of experience</p>
<p begin="00:53:29.410" end="00:53:30.780">you use a transducer cover</p>
<p begin="00:53:30.780" end="00:53:33.970">that protects the transducer<br />in many ways in terms of</p>
<p begin="00:53:33.970" end="00:53:35.466">sterility, the patient,</p>
<p begin="00:53:35.466" end="00:53:38.640">but also using the cold spray I would</p>
<p begin="00:53:38.640" end="00:53:43.640">never recommend anybody use<br />that transducer bare naked</p>
<p begin="00:53:43.900" end="00:53:47.314">with no probe cover while<br />spraying a cold spray.</p>
<p begin="00:53:47.314" end="00:53:50.483">That will actually degrade the<br />circuits of the transducer.</p>
<p begin="00:53:51.920" end="00:53:53.650">- [Dr. Weiss] Sure.</p>
<p begin="00:53:53.650" end="00:53:54.483">Good to know.</p>
<p begin="00:53:54.483" end="00:53:58.000">Again, I think when I do a diagnostic scan</p>
<p begin="00:53:58.000" end="00:53:59.033">I don't cover the probe because you're</p>
<p begin="00:53:59.033" end="00:54:01.200">just doing a diagnostic scan.</p>
<p begin="00:54:01.200" end="00:54:03.750">I do clean it with<br />peroxide though frequently</p>
<p begin="00:54:03.750" end="00:54:05.474">and with any procedure,</p>
<p begin="00:54:05.474" end="00:54:08.160">whether you think the<br />needle's gonna be close</p>
<p begin="00:54:08.160" end="00:54:08.993">or not close,</p>
<p begin="00:54:08.993" end="00:54:10.923">I always use a probe cover,</p>
<p begin="00:54:11.813" end="00:54:13.460">again, just the protect the probe</p>
<p begin="00:54:13.460" end="00:54:14.810">and the protect the patient</p>
<p begin="00:54:15.660" end="00:54:17.543">from any possible contamination.</p>
<p begin="00:54:22.600" end="00:54:25.480">- [Dan] Going along the<br />lines of equipment care,</p>
<p begin="00:54:25.480" end="00:54:29.280">you said you use various<br />things to clean the skid.</p>
<p begin="00:54:29.280" end="00:54:30.640">I will also tell everybody</p>
<p begin="00:54:30.640" end="00:54:33.580">please do not use anything<br />alcohol related to clean</p>
<p begin="00:54:33.580" end="00:54:35.460">your ultrasound equipment.</p>
<p begin="00:54:35.460" end="00:54:37.903">That's listed in your manual that came</p>
<p begin="00:54:37.903" end="00:54:40.500">with the equipment and<br />I believe on our website</p>
<p begin="00:54:40.500" end="00:54:43.500">there's a list of<br />approved cleaning agents.</p>
<p begin="00:54:43.500" end="00:54:45.400">And one thing I found commonly</p>
<p begin="00:54:47.660" end="00:54:49.910">approved across all transducers</p>
<p begin="00:54:49.910" end="00:54:51.320">was actually hydrogen peroxide,</p>
<p begin="00:54:51.320" end="00:54:53.460">which is very convenient because it's</p>
<p begin="00:54:53.460" end="00:54:55.310">about the cheapest thing you can get.</p>
<p begin="00:54:56.383" end="00:54:58.713">It doesn't necessarily<br />sterilize everything</p>
<p begin="00:54:58.713" end="00:55:01.580">to the point of some of the other cleaning</p>
<p begin="00:55:01.580" end="00:55:03.020">chemicals that we just wanna caution</p>
<p begin="00:55:03.020" end="00:55:04.266">everybody to read your labels,</p>
<p begin="00:55:04.266" end="00:55:07.023">your list of approved<br />cleaners in your manual.</p>
<p begin="00:55:08.020" end="00:55:10.590">And also not to use anything<br />that is alcohol based</p>
<p begin="00:55:10.590" end="00:55:14.150">because that's gonna<br />degrade the rubber surface.</p>
<p begin="00:55:14.150" end="00:55:16.170">Just to protect your equipment<br />when you use cold spray</p>
<p begin="00:55:16.170" end="00:55:17.950">with a transducer cover.</p>
<p begin="00:55:17.950" end="00:55:20.366">And I don't recommend people<br />use Tegaderm with cold spray</p>
<p begin="00:55:20.366" end="00:55:23.270">because it's gonna melt the Tegaderm</p>
<p begin="00:55:23.270" end="00:55:25.320">to the plastic housing of the transducer.</p>
<p begin="00:55:26.970" end="00:55:28.400">We have hit time here.</p>
<p begin="00:55:28.400" end="00:55:30.343">Dr. Weiss, any closing comments?</p>
<p begin="00:55:32.200" end="00:55:33.033">- [Dr. Weiss] Yeah sure.</p>
<p begin="00:55:33.033" end="00:55:35.020">I mean I would just encourage people</p>
<p begin="00:55:35.020" end="00:55:37.670">not to be afraid to try new things.</p>
<p begin="00:55:37.670" end="00:55:39.963">I mean, again, most of us probably started</p>
<p begin="00:55:39.963" end="00:55:41.610">doing these injections blindly,</p>
<p begin="00:55:41.610" end="00:55:42.710">just using landmarks.</p>
<p begin="00:55:42.710" end="00:55:46.470">So I would encourage<br />people not to be afraid</p>
<p begin="00:55:46.470" end="00:55:49.100">to try to do an injection with ultrasound</p>
<p begin="00:55:49.100" end="00:55:52.210">if they haven't done it before,</p>
<p begin="00:55:52.210" end="00:55:53.770">or even if they're by<br />themselves in their office.</p>
<p begin="00:55:53.770" end="00:55:55.580">As long as they know their anatomy well</p>
<p begin="00:55:55.580" end="00:55:57.180">and they've done it blindly,</p>
<p begin="00:55:57.180" end="00:55:59.036">no reason to fear</p>
<p begin="00:55:59.036" end="00:56:01.673">and not to try new things.</p>
<p begin="00:56:03.065" end="00:56:05.040">It's always good to scan<br />as many people as you can</p>
<p begin="00:56:05.040" end="00:56:07.400">if you have the time in<br />your schedule to do so,</p>
<p begin="00:56:07.400" end="00:56:08.780">just to get a sense of what's normal.</p>
<p begin="00:56:08.780" end="00:56:10.962">This way when you see<br />something that's not normal</p>
<p begin="00:56:10.962" end="00:56:12.412">you'll be able to pick it up.</p>
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<p begin="00:00:02.620" end="00:00:04.430">- Hi, my name's Diane Dutoya.</p>
<p begin="00:00:04.430" end="00:00:07.220">I'm a clinical nurse<br />consultant for dialysis</p>
<p begin="00:00:07.220" end="00:00:08.840">and vascular access.</p>
<p begin="00:00:08.840" end="00:00:12.360">I've been using ultrasound<br />in the renal setting</p>
<p begin="00:00:12.360" end="00:00:15.620">for about 13 years now.</p>
<p begin="00:00:15.620" end="00:00:17.560">I'm going to be talking to you today</p>
<p begin="00:00:17.560" end="00:00:19.640">about using ultrasound measurement</p>
<p begin="00:00:19.640" end="00:00:22.100">of blood flow volume in dialysis</p>
<p begin="00:00:22.100" end="00:00:24.253">arteriovenous fistulas and grafts.</p>
<p begin="00:00:25.756" end="00:00:29.510">The objectives today:<br />we'll describe blood flow</p>
<p begin="00:00:29.510" end="00:00:32.020">volume monitoring and the benefits;</p>
<p begin="00:00:32.020" end="00:00:34.832">the ultrasound anatomy<br />of arteriovenous fistulas</p>
<p begin="00:00:34.832" end="00:00:37.440">and arteriovenous grafts.</p>
<p begin="00:00:37.440" end="00:00:40.542">We'll discuss ultrasound<br />volume flow monitoring.</p>
<p begin="00:00:40.542" end="00:00:44.143">We'll look at the equipment<br />and software used.</p>
<p begin="00:00:45.140" end="00:00:49.300">We'll look at understanding<br />Color and Pulse Wave Doppler.</p>
<p begin="00:00:49.300" end="00:00:53.430">We'll look at performing the<br />actual volume flow calculation.</p>
<p begin="00:00:53.430" end="00:00:55.320">We'll look at some results and some</p>
<p begin="00:00:55.320" end="00:00:58.023">clinical pearls from my experience.</p>
<p begin="00:00:59.870" end="00:01:03.758">So, blood flow monitoring<br />in arteriovenous fistulas</p>
<p begin="00:01:03.758" end="00:01:06.990">and arteriovenous grafts the volume flow,</p>
<p begin="00:01:06.990" end="00:01:10.420">or what we call it in<br />dialysis, the access flow,</p>
<p begin="00:01:10.420" end="00:01:12.360">is the amount of blood flowing through</p>
<p begin="00:01:12.360" end="00:01:15.920">an arteriovenous fistula<br />or arteriovenous graft</p>
<p begin="00:01:15.920" end="00:01:19.690">in milliliters per<br />minute or mLs per minute.</p>
<p begin="00:01:19.690" end="00:01:22.330">We need a volume flow<br />higher than the dialysis</p>
<p begin="00:01:22.330" end="00:01:25.700">pump speed to prevent<br />recirculation of blood.</p>
<p begin="00:01:25.700" end="00:01:28.560">So, for example, if the volume flow</p>
<p begin="00:01:28.560" end="00:01:32.860">of an arteriovenous fistula<br />was 300 mLs per minute,</p>
<p begin="00:01:32.860" end="00:01:36.630">but we wanted to set the<br />pump at 350 mLs per minute,</p>
<p begin="00:01:36.630" end="00:01:39.710">we wouldn't be providing<br />enough blood for the pump</p>
<p begin="00:01:39.710" end="00:01:42.870">to function, or we would<br />be causing recirculation.</p>
<p begin="00:01:42.870" end="00:01:46.600">So, we do need to have<br />a volume flow that would</p>
<p begin="00:01:46.600" end="00:01:48.980">support the amount of blood that we need</p>
<p begin="00:01:48.980" end="00:01:52.610">to put through the dialysis machine.</p>
<p begin="00:01:52.610" end="00:01:56.093">And this is demonstrated<br />in our video here.</p>
<p begin="00:01:58.300" end="00:02:00.463">Blood flow monitoring benefits.</p>
<p begin="00:02:01.440" end="00:02:05.410">We can do a single measurement<br />of a blood flow volume.</p>
<p begin="00:02:05.410" end="00:02:07.810">This is in isolation;<br />it gives us a little bit</p>
<p begin="00:02:07.810" end="00:02:10.560">of an idea, at least, of<br />what the fistula or graft</p>
<p begin="00:02:10.560" end="00:02:13.266">is running at; however,<br />we also like to look</p>
<p begin="00:02:13.266" end="00:02:16.330">at the trend because a downward trend</p>
<p begin="00:02:16.330" end="00:02:18.330">in the volume flow can indicate an issue</p>
<p begin="00:02:18.330" end="00:02:22.243">such as a significant stenosis<br />in the fistula or graft.</p>
<p begin="00:02:23.120" end="00:02:26.710">It promotes early detection<br />and preemptive intervention</p>
<p begin="00:02:26.710" end="00:02:28.740">of significant stenosis to minimize</p>
<p begin="00:02:28.740" end="00:02:32.280">under dialysis and AV fistula thrombosis.</p>
<p begin="00:02:32.280" end="00:02:36.310">So we use it in the unit that<br />I've worked in regularly.</p>
<p begin="00:02:36.310" end="00:02:39.211">We do volume flow or<br />access flow measurements</p>
<p begin="00:02:39.211" end="00:02:42.960">sometimes monthly, sometimes twice monthly</p>
<p begin="00:02:42.960" end="00:02:44.640">and sometimes in the home population,</p>
<p begin="00:02:44.640" end="00:02:45.770">only every three months.</p>
<p begin="00:02:45.770" end="00:02:47.710">It really does depend on the fistula,</p>
<p begin="00:02:47.710" end="00:02:49.850">but regular volume flow monitoring,</p>
<p begin="00:02:49.850" end="00:02:51.948">in my experience, really helps us</p>
<p begin="00:02:51.948" end="00:02:54.783">detect issues and intervene early.</p>
<p begin="00:02:56.210" end="00:02:57.826">Blood flow monitoring,<br />there's a few guidelines</p>
<p begin="00:02:57.826" end="00:03:00.440">out there that support us doing</p>
<p begin="00:03:00.440" end="00:03:02.390">regular blood flow monitoring.</p>
<p begin="00:03:02.390" end="00:03:06.300">The National Kidney Foundation<br />or the KDOQI Guidelines</p>
<p begin="00:03:06.300" end="00:03:09.450">say that surveillance in<br />fistula, the preferred</p>
<p begin="00:03:09.450" end="00:03:12.040">method is direct flow measurements.</p>
<p begin="00:03:12.040" end="00:03:14.920">They don't say specifically<br />how we do those flow</p>
<p begin="00:03:14.920" end="00:03:17.660">measurements, but they<br />just recommend that we</p>
<p begin="00:03:17.660" end="00:03:20.993">do direct flow measurements<br />to perform surveillance.</p>
<p begin="00:03:22.300" end="00:03:25.410">The Kidney Health Australian<br />caring guidelines,</p>
<p begin="00:03:25.410" end="00:03:28.300">we call them, they talk<br />about vascular access</p>
<p begin="00:03:28.300" end="00:03:31.633">surveillance and they<br />recommend that regular</p>
<p begin="00:03:31.633" end="00:03:34.119">access flow screening<br />increases the detection</p>
<p begin="00:03:34.119" end="00:03:37.090">of AV fistula stenosis<br />compared to clinical</p>
<p begin="00:03:37.090" end="00:03:39.720">examination/low arterial pressure</p>
<p begin="00:03:39.720" end="00:03:43.160">or recirculation measurements alone.</p>
<p begin="00:03:43.160" end="00:03:45.676">The regular access flow<br />screening with preemptive</p>
<p begin="00:03:45.676" end="00:03:48.900">repair, and they talk<br />about either angioplasty</p>
<p begin="00:03:48.900" end="00:03:53.270">or surgery, reduces<br />arteriovenous fistula thrombosis</p>
<p begin="00:03:53.270" end="00:03:56.783">and may prolong arteriovenous<br />fistula survival.</p>
<p begin="00:03:58.502" end="00:04:01.180">And the European Best Practice Guidelines</p>
<p begin="00:04:01.180" end="00:04:04.910">under their guideline of<br />surveillance of vascular access.</p>
<p begin="00:04:04.910" end="00:04:07.420">Objective monitoring of<br />access function should be</p>
<p begin="00:04:07.420" end="00:04:11.760">performed at a regular base<br />by measuring access flow,</p>
<p begin="00:04:11.760" end="00:04:15.443">and again, volume flow access<br />lower or interchangeable.</p>
<p begin="00:04:17.270" end="00:04:19.620">So, we'll look at the blood flow through</p>
<p begin="00:04:19.620" end="00:04:23.350">an arteriovenous fistula<br />or arteriovenous graft.</p>
<p begin="00:04:23.350" end="00:04:26.430">There are obviously different types</p>
<p begin="00:04:26.430" end="00:04:27.860">of fistulas and grafts out there.</p>
<p begin="00:04:27.860" end="00:04:30.723">We'll talk about those,<br />give you some examples.</p>
<p begin="00:04:31.600" end="00:04:33.630">But when we look at the blood flow</p>
<p begin="00:04:33.630" end="00:04:36.430">in the arteries and veins in our body,</p>
<p begin="00:04:36.430" end="00:04:39.830">we know that the pump, the heart, creates</p>
<p begin="00:04:39.830" end="00:04:42.350">the pressure wave that will push the blood</p>
<p begin="00:04:42.350" end="00:04:45.629">down the arteries and<br />it travels from an area</p>
<p begin="00:04:45.629" end="00:04:48.810">of low resistance at the<br />heart to high resistance</p>
<p begin="00:04:48.810" end="00:04:52.870">as we get towards the<br />periphery and so that creates</p>
<p begin="00:04:52.870" end="00:04:55.410">the blood flow down the<br />arteries and then the veins</p>
<p begin="00:04:55.410" end="00:04:57.233">return the blood to the heart.</p>
<p begin="00:05:00.150" end="00:05:02.800">Prior to making a fistula, the blood flow</p>
<p begin="00:05:02.800" end="00:05:06.370">in the arm arteries, as I said before,</p>
<p begin="00:05:06.370" end="00:05:08.830">travels from an area of low resistance</p>
<p begin="00:05:08.830" end="00:05:11.220">to an area of high resistance.</p>
<p begin="00:05:11.220" end="00:05:14.720">So, the heart has a big open area.</p>
<p begin="00:05:14.720" end="00:05:18.218">It's a low resistance<br />and then as it pushes</p>
<p begin="00:05:18.218" end="00:05:22.280">the blood towards the smaller<br />and smaller capillaries,</p>
<p begin="00:05:22.280" end="00:05:27.080">they create more resistance,<br />and so the blood flow</p>
<p begin="00:05:28.050" end="00:05:30.750">from the heart to the hand will travel</p>
<p begin="00:05:30.750" end="00:05:33.550">in a pulse wave and it isn't particularly</p>
<p begin="00:05:33.550" end="00:05:36.010">hard flow when we compare it to once</p>
<p begin="00:05:36.010" end="00:05:38.690">an arteriovenous fistula is created.</p>
<p begin="00:05:38.690" end="00:05:41.950">You're looking more in the<br />low hundreds or even below</p>
<p begin="00:05:41.950" end="00:05:45.527">a hundred mLs per minute in an adult arm.</p>
<p begin="00:05:48.010" end="00:05:51.030">So the types of anastomosis that we see</p>
<p begin="00:05:51.030" end="00:05:54.390">to create an AV fistula would be</p>
<p begin="00:05:54.390" end="00:05:58.460">an end to side anastomosis where the vein</p>
<p begin="00:05:58.460" end="00:06:03.460">is taken and cut and the end of the vein</p>
<p begin="00:06:05.430" end="00:06:07.880">is then joined into a hole on the artery.</p>
<p begin="00:06:07.880" end="00:06:10.330">So this is end to side,<br />the other part of the vein</p>
<p begin="00:06:10.330" end="00:06:12.700">is just tied off and it's not necessary.</p>
<p begin="00:06:12.700" end="00:06:14.440">So, that's end to side.</p>
<p begin="00:06:14.440" end="00:06:17.330">So you can see here that<br />the blood would travel</p>
<p begin="00:06:17.330" end="00:06:20.880">down the artery and<br />then be allowed to pass</p>
<p begin="00:06:20.880" end="00:06:25.133">now back up to the heart via the vein.</p>
<p begin="00:06:28.300" end="00:06:30.700">A side to side anastomosis means</p>
<p begin="00:06:30.700" end="00:06:34.340">that the vein isn't tied<br />off at the distal end.</p>
<p begin="00:06:34.340" end="00:06:37.459">It's kept open and so<br />the side of the artery</p>
<p begin="00:06:37.459" end="00:06:39.137">is joined to the side of the vein</p>
<p begin="00:06:39.137" end="00:06:42.100">via small holes made by the surgeons.</p>
<p begin="00:06:42.100" end="00:06:45.190">And the blood can flow<br />from the artery and can</p>
<p begin="00:06:45.190" end="00:06:48.880">travel back up the arm<br />or down towards the hand.</p>
<p begin="00:06:48.880" end="00:06:51.200">It can travel in both directions.</p>
<p begin="00:06:51.200" end="00:06:52.430">So that's a side to side.</p>
<p begin="00:06:52.430" end="00:06:54.900">In Australia, we don't<br />see those very often.</p>
<p begin="00:06:54.900" end="00:06:57.437">And it really depends<br />on the surgeon choice.</p>
<p begin="00:06:57.437" end="00:07:00.250">The only issue with that is that it does</p>
<p begin="00:07:00.250" end="00:07:02.340">allow blood to then travel to the hand</p>
<p begin="00:07:02.340" end="00:07:05.040">and can cause venous hypertension.</p>
<p begin="00:07:05.040" end="00:07:06.940">To create an arteriovenous fistula</p>
<p begin="00:07:06.940" end="00:07:09.930">the surgeon makes an incision at the point</p>
<p begin="00:07:09.930" end="00:07:12.950">where he wants to join<br />the artery and the vein.</p>
<p begin="00:07:12.950" end="00:07:15.086">He then clamps the artery and the vein,</p>
<p begin="00:07:15.086" end="00:07:19.020">and then he creates a very<br />small incision in the artery.</p>
<p begin="00:07:19.020" end="00:07:21.301">He ties off the distal end of the vein,</p>
<p begin="00:07:21.301" end="00:07:25.340">and cuts it and then takes<br />that end and joins it</p>
<p begin="00:07:25.340" end="00:07:28.910">onto the surgical hole that was created.</p>
<p begin="00:07:28.910" end="00:07:31.000">The vein and artery are sown together.</p>
<p begin="00:07:31.000" end="00:07:33.480">The clamps are released<br />and then they monitor</p>
<p begin="00:07:33.480" end="00:07:35.210">the flow and make sure there's no leaks,</p>
<p begin="00:07:35.210" end="00:07:37.763">and then they suture up the skin.</p>
<p begin="00:07:39.240" end="00:07:41.330">So, monitoring the blood flow through</p>
<p begin="00:07:41.330" end="00:07:44.000">an arteriovenous fistula, you see</p>
<p begin="00:07:44.000" end="00:07:48.360">that the blood can travel down</p>
<p begin="00:07:48.360" end="00:07:51.573">the artery towards the anastomosis.</p>
<p begin="00:07:52.432" end="00:07:54.663">You can see this on the video here.</p>
<p begin="00:07:56.880" end="00:08:00.250">Blood will travel down the artery,</p>
<p begin="00:08:00.250" end="00:08:02.550">either from the brachial artery,</p>
<p begin="00:08:02.550" end="00:08:05.030">if there's an anastomosis<br />at the brachial artery,</p>
<p begin="00:08:05.030" end="00:08:07.690">it'll then travel through the anastomosis.</p>
<p begin="00:08:07.690" end="00:08:11.140">If there's the anastomosis<br />down at the radial artery,</p>
<p begin="00:08:11.140" end="00:08:14.590">it will travel down; a<br />small portion will be</p>
<p begin="00:08:14.590" end="00:08:17.420">continued to the hand some times.</p>
<p begin="00:08:17.420" end="00:08:20.190">Some times not much goes back to the hand.</p>
<p begin="00:08:20.190" end="00:08:24.790">And then where the anastomosis<br />is, blood is now able</p>
<p begin="00:08:24.790" end="00:08:29.330">to travel back up the vein,<br />and back towards the heart.</p>
<p begin="00:08:29.330" end="00:08:32.410">Once we've done that creation and we allow</p>
<p begin="00:08:32.410" end="00:08:34.670">the blood to go through that anastomosis</p>
<p begin="00:08:34.670" end="00:08:37.170">and back up to the heart,<br />what we've done is we've</p>
<p begin="00:08:37.170" end="00:08:41.160">created a low pressure<br />system now which allows</p>
<p begin="00:08:41.160" end="00:08:44.040">more blood because of<br />the drop in resistance.</p>
<p begin="00:08:44.040" end="00:08:46.860">More blood will now start<br />to flow down the artery</p>
<p begin="00:08:46.860" end="00:08:50.000">but also back up the vein<br />and towards the heart.</p>
<p begin="00:08:50.000" end="00:08:52.730">So, we'll start to see the<br />artery dilate and the vein</p>
<p begin="00:08:52.730" end="00:08:57.710">dilate and the flow of<br />blood increase dramatically,</p>
<p begin="00:08:57.710" end="00:09:02.280">sometimes over a thousand mLs a minute.</p>
<p begin="00:09:02.280" end="00:09:04.860">It really depends on how<br />big the anastomosis is,</p>
<p begin="00:09:04.860" end="00:09:06.670">how good the arteries are, and how good</p>
<p begin="00:09:06.670" end="00:09:09.801">the veins are, and so<br />when we check the flow</p>
<p begin="00:09:09.801" end="00:09:13.060">of blood through a<br />fistula, what we're doing</p>
<p begin="00:09:13.060" end="00:09:16.080">is checking if there's an issue</p>
<p begin="00:09:16.080" end="00:09:19.200">with either the pump, the heart,</p>
<p begin="00:09:19.200" end="00:09:22.440">the arteries or the outflow veins.</p>
<p begin="00:09:22.440" end="00:09:24.280">So volume flow measurement doesn't</p>
<p begin="00:09:24.280" end="00:09:26.540">particularly identify where the issue is,</p>
<p begin="00:09:26.540" end="00:09:28.973">but it does tell us if there's an issue.</p>
<p begin="00:09:29.810" end="00:09:33.150">Once we've anastomosed,<br />if we have a good pump,</p>
<p begin="00:09:33.150" end="00:09:37.990">the heart, a good artery,<br />and a good draining vein,</p>
<p begin="00:09:37.990" end="00:09:41.700">we see that the flow increases</p>
<p begin="00:09:41.700" end="00:09:46.630">dramatically in that<br />circuit, and this we can</p>
<p begin="00:09:46.630" end="00:09:48.660">check by checking the volume flow,</p>
<p begin="00:09:48.660" end="00:09:50.510">and the volume flow measurement will</p>
<p begin="00:09:50.510" end="00:09:53.360">give us a baseline, the<br />first one that we do.</p>
<p begin="00:09:53.360" end="00:09:55.290">And we would hope that that would be</p>
<p begin="00:09:55.290" end="00:09:59.060">in the range of, in my units we prefer</p>
<p begin="00:09:59.060" end="00:10:01.530">greater than 400 mLs a minute, some units</p>
<p begin="00:10:01.530" end="00:10:03.630">prefer greater than 600 mLs a minute.</p>
<p begin="00:10:03.630" end="00:10:07.000">It really depends, and<br />then following doing</p>
<p begin="00:10:07.000" end="00:10:08.770">the baseline measurement, we would like</p>
<p begin="00:10:08.770" end="00:10:12.310">to see that that measurement<br />continues to increase</p>
<p begin="00:10:12.310" end="00:10:15.480">as it matures and it<br />doesn't start to drop off.</p>
<p begin="00:10:15.480" end="00:10:19.300">If it starts to become<br />less volume flow, we start</p>
<p begin="00:10:19.300" end="00:10:23.793">to look at causes for why<br />the flow has dropped down.</p>
<p begin="00:10:26.090" end="00:10:29.720">So, if we look at this,<br />the inflow and the outflow.</p>
<p begin="00:10:29.720" end="00:10:32.160">When we talk about inflow and outflow</p>
<p begin="00:10:32.160" end="00:10:36.190">with an AV fistula or an AV graft,</p>
<p begin="00:10:36.190" end="00:10:41.190">we usually refer to the<br />inflow as the arterial inflow.</p>
<p begin="00:10:41.740" end="00:10:44.320">So, whichever is the feeding artery,</p>
<p begin="00:10:44.320" end="00:10:46.927">and then also just running<br />into the anastomosis</p>
<p begin="00:10:46.927" end="00:10:49.340">is the area that we would refer to all</p>
<p begin="00:10:49.340" end="00:10:52.320">of that as inflow and<br />then outflow we refer</p>
<p begin="00:10:52.320" end="00:10:55.810">to the vein all the way to the heart.</p>
<p begin="00:10:55.810" end="00:10:57.840">So, all of that is outflow vein.</p>
<p begin="00:10:57.840" end="00:11:00.270">So when we talk about an inflow problem</p>
<p begin="00:11:00.270" end="00:11:02.460">or an outflow problem, that's sort of</p>
<p begin="00:11:02.460" end="00:11:04.333">the areas that we're talking about.</p>
<p begin="00:11:07.750" end="00:11:10.390">So, on this diagram, you<br />can see that the inflow</p>
<p begin="00:11:10.390" end="00:11:14.030">artery is a brachial artery that's feeding</p>
<p begin="00:11:14.030" end="00:11:15.920">through the anastomosis,<br />and again, we would</p>
<p begin="00:11:15.920" end="00:11:19.400">continue to call that inflow in dialysis,</p>
<p begin="00:11:19.400" end="00:11:21.070">and then the vein that we would be</p>
<p begin="00:11:21.070" end="00:11:24.110">puncturing for needling and all the way</p>
<p begin="00:11:24.110" end="00:11:27.373">up to the heart would be the outflow.</p>
<p begin="00:11:29.080" end="00:11:31.490">So, inflow, outflow.</p>
<p begin="00:11:31.490" end="00:11:32.760">We're just gonna look a little bit</p>
<p begin="00:11:32.760" end="00:11:35.330">at the actual flow through the vessels.</p>
<p begin="00:11:35.330" end="00:11:37.810">So, the blood flow through the fistula</p>
<p begin="00:11:37.810" end="00:11:42.810">or any vessel in our body<br />has a pulsatile flow,</p>
<p begin="00:11:43.140" end="00:11:46.450">but the pulse varies<br />depending on the resistance</p>
<p begin="00:11:46.450" end="00:11:51.090">in the vessels and the pulse wave created</p>
<p begin="00:11:51.090" end="00:11:53.940">by the heart beating and how it dissipates</p>
<p begin="00:11:53.940" end="00:11:56.910">throughout the body, but it also is</p>
<p begin="00:11:56.910" end="00:12:00.590">affected by any kind of resistance.</p>
<p begin="00:12:00.590" end="00:12:04.290">So, if we look at<br />anastomosis on an AV fistula,</p>
<p begin="00:12:04.290" end="00:12:07.050">that creates some resistance<br />and turbulent flow</p>
<p begin="00:12:07.050" end="00:12:11.070">as the blood flows around, and<br />then a nice straight segment</p>
<p begin="00:12:11.070" end="00:12:14.960">vein, like here, or an<br />artery, we tend to see</p>
<p begin="00:12:14.960" end="00:12:19.960">more laminar flow where<br />the blood cells tend</p>
<p begin="00:12:20.980" end="00:12:24.210">to run in a nice laminar<br />line and you'll get</p>
<p begin="00:12:24.210" end="00:12:25.900">a little bit of turbulence<br />along the edges,</p>
<p begin="00:12:25.900" end="00:12:28.270">particularly if the flow is very fast,</p>
<p begin="00:12:28.270" end="00:12:31.089">but you tend to see that the flow is</p>
<p begin="00:12:31.089" end="00:12:34.810">fairly laminar and there's<br />not a lot of swirling</p>
<p begin="00:12:34.810" end="00:12:37.120">because the blood cells or the blood's not</p>
<p begin="00:12:37.120" end="00:12:39.020">hitting resistance and swirling around.</p>
<p begin="00:12:39.020" end="00:12:41.140">So this is sort of an<br />image of what I would</p>
<p begin="00:12:41.140" end="00:12:45.831">call laminar flow or<br />fairly straight line flow.</p>
<p begin="00:12:45.831" end="00:12:48.130">Whereas you can see in<br />this vessel that it's</p>
<p begin="00:12:48.130" end="00:12:52.830">another example of what<br />we would call non-laminar</p>
<p begin="00:12:52.830" end="00:12:55.770">flow or restricted flow<br />where it's traveling</p>
<p begin="00:12:55.770" end="00:12:59.770">through some resistant<br />areas or some narrowing.</p>
<p begin="00:12:59.770" end="00:13:02.300">When blood is running through a tube</p>
<p begin="00:13:02.300" end="00:13:04.790">and then there's some narrowings in it,</p>
<p begin="00:13:04.790" end="00:13:07.070">that can either be from plaque,</p>
<p begin="00:13:07.070" end="00:13:10.300">or what we call neointimal hyperplasia,</p>
<p begin="00:13:10.300" end="00:13:13.280">which causes a lot of the vein stenoses.</p>
<p begin="00:13:14.610" end="00:13:17.900">Once that narrowing gets to less than 50%,</p>
<p begin="00:13:17.900" end="00:13:21.410">you start to see some changes in the flow,</p>
<p begin="00:13:21.410" end="00:13:24.270">the volume flow of the<br />blood because it causes</p>
<p begin="00:13:24.270" end="00:13:26.403">some resistance that slows<br />down the flow in the blood.</p>
<p begin="00:13:26.403" end="00:13:30.520">So, you can see here that this vessel</p>
<p begin="00:13:30.520" end="00:13:33.880">has some narrowings in it, and that flow</p>
<p begin="00:13:33.880" end="00:13:35.890">then not only becomes slowed down,</p>
<p begin="00:13:35.890" end="00:13:37.590">it becomes a bit more turbulent</p>
<p begin="00:13:37.590" end="00:13:41.020">as it hits all of those<br />areas of narrowing.</p>
<p begin="00:13:41.020" end="00:13:42.803">So, that's not as laminar.</p>
<p begin="00:13:45.780" end="00:13:49.130">So, as blood flows through a narrowing,</p>
<p begin="00:13:49.130" end="00:13:52.453">the blood flow needs to increase in speed.</p>
<p begin="00:13:53.330" end="00:13:57.660">So sometimes you'll see an ultrasound,</p>
<p begin="00:13:57.660" end="00:14:00.180">a formal ultrasound that'll talk about</p>
<p begin="00:14:00.180" end="00:14:03.107">the velocities and sometimes in dialysis</p>
<p begin="00:14:03.107" end="00:14:05.440">we get a bit confused because we think</p>
<p begin="00:14:05.440" end="00:14:08.880">that the velocities in<br />centimeters per second</p>
<p begin="00:14:08.880" end="00:14:10.890">relates to the volume flow, but they're</p>
<p begin="00:14:10.890" end="00:14:12.250">completely different measurements.</p>
<p begin="00:14:12.250" end="00:14:15.560">So, the volume flow is the actual volume</p>
<p begin="00:14:15.560" end="00:14:18.990">of blood traveling through<br />a vessel in mLs per minute.</p>
<p begin="00:14:18.990" end="00:14:21.570">So, for example, 400 mLs per minute is</p>
<p begin="00:14:21.570" end="00:14:25.490">traveling or 500, 600;<br />whereas the velocity</p>
<p begin="00:14:25.490" end="00:14:28.090">is how fast the blood<br />is actually traveling</p>
<p begin="00:14:28.090" end="00:14:31.450">in centimeters per<br />second, and so if you look</p>
<p begin="00:14:31.450" end="00:14:34.910">at this vessel here, you can see that</p>
<p begin="00:14:34.910" end="00:14:38.703">the lumen narrows and the blood then is</p>
<p begin="00:14:38.703" end="00:14:43.703">running through this<br />vessel and it won't change.</p>
<p begin="00:14:43.710" end="00:14:47.440">400 mLs is running in;<br />400 mLs has to run out,</p>
<p begin="00:14:47.440" end="00:14:49.750">otherwise the vessel<br />would dilate and explode.</p>
<p begin="00:14:49.750" end="00:14:54.660">So, the volume flow will remain unchanged,</p>
<p begin="00:14:54.660" end="00:14:57.070">however, how fast the blood has to run</p>
<p begin="00:14:57.070" end="00:14:59.790">to get that volume of<br />blood through changes.</p>
<p begin="00:14:59.790" end="00:15:02.730">So, for example, in the wider area,</p>
<p begin="00:15:02.730" end="00:15:05.780">400 mLs a minute can run slower,</p>
<p begin="00:15:05.780" end="00:15:08.600">but in a narrowed area,<br />to get 400 mLs a minute</p>
<p begin="00:15:08.600" end="00:15:11.040">through a narrowing, it has to run faster.</p>
<p begin="00:15:11.040" end="00:15:12.810">So, that's where we see an increase</p>
<p begin="00:15:12.810" end="00:15:15.200">in the velocity where it speeds up</p>
<p begin="00:15:15.200" end="00:15:17.020">in order for that amount of blood</p>
<p begin="00:15:17.020" end="00:15:18.530">to fit through the narrowed area.</p>
<p begin="00:15:18.530" end="00:15:21.660">So, that's the difference<br />between velocities</p>
<p begin="00:15:21.660" end="00:15:23.930">and volume flow.</p>
<p begin="00:15:23.930" end="00:15:28.400">So, that though allows us to then measure</p>
<p begin="00:15:28.400" end="00:15:31.571">a volume flow of any<br />kind of fluid traveling</p>
<p begin="00:15:31.571" end="00:15:36.140">through a container or a pipe or a tube</p>
<p begin="00:15:36.140" end="00:15:38.020">or a vessel or a blood vessel.</p>
<p begin="00:15:38.020" end="00:15:41.540">If we work out the<br />velocity and the diameter</p>
<p begin="00:15:41.540" end="00:15:44.020">in that area that where<br />we measured the velocity,</p>
<p begin="00:15:44.020" end="00:15:46.730">we can do a calculation to say what volume</p>
<p begin="00:15:46.730" end="00:15:49.170">of fluid, and in this case blood</p>
<p begin="00:15:49.170" end="00:15:50.823">is traveling through the tube.</p>
<p begin="00:15:51.890" end="00:15:53.900">So a narrowing is, like<br />I said, it increases</p>
<p begin="00:15:53.900" end="00:15:56.320">the blood flow but what<br />we mean is the blood,</p>
<p begin="00:15:56.320" end="00:15:57.853">speed of the blood flow.</p>
<p begin="00:15:58.760" end="00:16:01.530">So the volume flow through<br />the changing diameters.</p>
<p begin="00:16:01.530" end="00:16:03.700">So the volume of blood<br />flowing through a vessel</p>
<p begin="00:16:03.700" end="00:16:06.150">remains the same<br />throughout the human system</p>
<p begin="00:16:06.150" end="00:16:09.713">unless there's a significant<br />obstruction or heart issues.</p>
<p begin="00:16:10.780" end="00:16:13.650">So, if I have 600 mLs a minute running</p>
<p begin="00:16:13.650" end="00:16:16.964">through a fistula vein,<br />so the outflow vein,</p>
<p begin="00:16:16.964" end="00:16:19.540">it would have to remain at 600 mLs</p>
<p begin="00:16:19.540" end="00:16:23.210">a minute for the entire outflow vein.</p>
<p begin="00:16:23.210" end="00:16:25.770">It can't be 600 mLs in one section</p>
<p begin="00:16:25.770" end="00:16:27.960">and 300 mLs a minute in another section</p>
<p begin="00:16:27.960" end="00:16:30.300">because then you would get congestion</p>
<p begin="00:16:30.300" end="00:16:31.550">and dilation and that thing would</p>
<p begin="00:16:31.550" end="00:16:34.692">rupture in no time, so whatever flows in,</p>
<p begin="00:16:34.692" end="00:16:37.080">the same volume will be flowing out.</p>
<p begin="00:16:37.080" end="00:16:40.860">However, the way it<br />travels to have that volume</p>
<p begin="00:16:40.860" end="00:16:42.800">flowing in and out will change.</p>
<p begin="00:16:42.800" end="00:16:45.110">So the speed that it travels through</p>
<p begin="00:16:45.110" end="00:16:47.450">narrower or wider areas will change.</p>
<p begin="00:16:47.450" end="00:16:50.093">And this will give you an idea here.</p>
<p begin="00:16:52.120" end="00:16:54.940">So, if we look at this 600 mLs of fluid</p>
<p begin="00:16:54.940" end="00:16:57.740">traveling through this fairly straight</p>
<p begin="00:16:57.740" end="00:17:01.350">piece of vessel, we'll<br />say this is the artery,</p>
<p begin="00:17:01.350" end="00:17:04.483">then the artery stays<br />at 6 mLs, so the 600 mLs</p>
<p begin="00:17:04.483" end="00:17:07.400">of fluid will stay the same velocity</p>
<p begin="00:17:07.400" end="00:17:09.380">because it doesn't need to speed up</p>
<p begin="00:17:09.380" end="00:17:11.920">or slow down because<br />it's the same diameter.</p>
<p begin="00:17:11.920" end="00:17:14.323">So, it can fit through just as easily,</p>
<p begin="00:17:15.220" end="00:17:18.120">but the wider it goes all the way to 12 mL</p>
<p begin="00:17:19.440" end="00:17:21.580">in diameter, the 600 mLs a minute</p>
<p begin="00:17:21.580" end="00:17:23.240">would have to travel a lot slower</p>
<p begin="00:17:23.240" end="00:17:25.440">because you'll get a<br />lot more blood through.</p>
<p begin="00:17:27.210" end="00:17:29.280">We look at the changing diameters here</p>
<p begin="00:17:29.280" end="00:17:31.870">and the blood traveling<br />through in this video</p>
<p begin="00:17:31.870" end="00:17:34.090">you can see that as the blood goes</p>
<p begin="00:17:34.090" end="00:17:36.670">into the widest sections<br />it can travel slower</p>
<p begin="00:17:36.670" end="00:17:39.010">to get, for example,<br />this say this was running</p>
<p begin="00:17:39.010" end="00:17:41.990">at 600 mLs a minute, the 600 mLs a minute</p>
<p begin="00:17:41.990" end="00:17:46.990">traveling through this<br />section is a lot slower</p>
<p begin="00:17:47.180" end="00:17:50.150">than the 600 mLs to get<br />through the narrowed sections.</p>
<p begin="00:17:50.150" end="00:17:52.160">So that you can see there, so it does need</p>
<p begin="00:17:52.160" end="00:17:53.891">to speed up; so that<br />means that the velocities</p>
<p begin="00:17:53.891" end="00:17:57.313">through the narrowings<br />increase, and when we</p>
<p begin="00:17:57.313" end="00:17:59.370">measure the velocities, we need to be</p>
<p begin="00:17:59.370" end="00:18:02.400">really cautious that<br />we measure the diameter</p>
<p begin="00:18:02.400" end="00:18:04.490">that relates to the velocity measurement.</p>
<p begin="00:18:04.490" end="00:18:06.180">So if I do a velocity measurement,</p>
<p begin="00:18:06.180" end="00:18:10.210">for example, here, but<br />measure the diameter</p>
<p begin="00:18:10.210" end="00:18:13.620">here, my calculation's<br />gonna be completely wrong.</p>
<p begin="00:18:13.620" end="00:18:16.420">So, I must do my velocity measurement</p>
<p begin="00:18:16.420" end="00:18:18.620">exactly in the same area that I've done</p>
<p begin="00:18:18.620" end="00:18:19.930">my diameter measurement.</p>
<p begin="00:18:19.930" end="00:18:22.503">So that's a really important thing</p>
<p begin="00:18:22.503" end="00:18:26.363">to do when you're doing your<br />volume flow measurements.</p>
<p begin="00:18:28.440" end="00:18:31.330">Volume flow measurement<br />utilizing ultrasound.</p>
<p begin="00:18:31.330" end="00:18:33.100">We know that there are<br />a few different ways</p>
<p begin="00:18:33.100" end="00:18:35.400">to do volume flow measurements.</p>
<p begin="00:18:35.400" end="00:18:38.348">In dialysis in most units we're familiar</p>
<p begin="00:18:38.348" end="00:18:42.390">with a couple of them,<br />dilutional measurements</p>
<p begin="00:18:42.390" end="00:18:45.140">where we'll either use<br />an ultrasound and saline</p>
<p begin="00:18:45.140" end="00:18:50.140">as our dilutant or<br />we'll use warm dialysate</p>
<p begin="00:18:50.510" end="00:18:53.187">as our dilutant to<br />measure the volume flow,</p>
<p begin="00:18:53.187" end="00:18:55.670">but we can only do that on dialysis.</p>
<p begin="00:18:55.670" end="00:18:58.660">So, another way that we can do it is</p>
<p begin="00:18:58.660" end="00:19:01.170">to measure utilizing ultrasound.</p>
<p begin="00:19:01.170" end="00:19:03.010">So, as I've talked about before,</p>
<p begin="00:19:03.010" end="00:19:05.430">the volume of blood flowing<br />through a vascular system</p>
<p begin="00:19:05.430" end="00:19:08.080">can be estimated by measure the velocity</p>
<p begin="00:19:08.080" end="00:19:10.930">in centimeters per second and the diameter</p>
<p begin="00:19:10.930" end="00:19:12.870">where that velocity was measured.</p>
<p begin="00:19:12.870" end="00:19:16.410">So, as I said before, it needs<br />to be very carefully measured</p>
<p begin="00:19:16.410" end="00:19:18.470">and so this is a little tip to make sure</p>
<p begin="00:19:18.470" end="00:19:20.280">that when you're doing ultrasound volume</p>
<p begin="00:19:20.280" end="00:19:22.155">flow measurements, that you're doing</p>
<p begin="00:19:22.155" end="00:19:25.490">them as accurately as possible.</p>
<p begin="00:19:25.490" end="00:19:28.630">So, software's being developed<br />to perform the volume flow</p>
<p begin="00:19:28.630" end="00:19:31.530">calculations for us, and<br />what we do is we need</p>
<p begin="00:19:31.530" end="00:19:34.335">to provide a diameter and a velocity.</p>
<p begin="00:19:34.335" end="00:19:39.040">An ultrasound that allows<br />us to measure velocity</p>
<p begin="00:19:39.040" end="00:19:42.687">and has the software<br />package in there to allow</p>
<p begin="00:19:42.687" end="00:19:45.839">us to calculate the volume flow will</p>
<p begin="00:19:45.839" end="00:19:48.500">allow us to do volume flow measurements.</p>
<p begin="00:19:48.500" end="00:19:50.300">So we measure the velocity.</p>
<p begin="00:19:50.300" end="00:19:53.270">We provide the diameter<br />in the area where we did</p>
<p begin="00:19:53.270" end="00:19:55.650">that velocity measurement, and then we ask</p>
<p begin="00:19:55.650" end="00:19:58.660">the machine to calculate<br />by hitting calculate.</p>
<p begin="00:19:58.660" end="00:20:00.450">So, there's a few benefits of using</p>
<p begin="00:20:00.450" end="00:20:03.290">ultrasound for blood flow monitoring.</p>
<p begin="00:20:03.290" end="00:20:05.030">It can be measured at any time</p>
<p begin="00:20:05.030" end="00:20:08.431">unlike other methods that can<br />only be performed on dialysis.</p>
<p begin="00:20:08.431" end="00:20:11.110">So, if I've got someone<br />who's turned up for dialysis</p>
<p begin="00:20:11.110" end="00:20:13.820">and I'm a bit concerned<br />about their fistula</p>
<p begin="00:20:13.820" end="00:20:16.690">and I'm not sure whether<br />I should actually start</p>
<p begin="00:20:16.690" end="00:20:19.345">the dialysis, whether<br />there's any value, I don't</p>
<p begin="00:20:19.345" end="00:20:22.800">want to put two needles in<br />and then start dialysis.</p>
<p begin="00:20:22.800" end="00:20:24.556">So I can capture a volume flow measurement</p>
<p begin="00:20:24.556" end="00:20:26.700">before I even start.</p>
<p begin="00:20:26.700" end="00:20:31.080">It also allows us to monitor<br />pre-dialysis patients</p>
<p begin="00:20:31.080" end="00:20:34.171">who've had an arteriovenous<br />fistula or graph created.</p>
<p begin="00:20:34.171" end="00:20:36.900">Before they start<br />dialysis we can then start</p>
<p begin="00:20:36.900" end="00:20:39.270">monitoring the volume<br />flow, get a baseline,</p>
<p begin="00:20:39.270" end="00:20:42.343">but also continue to monitor<br />it if they don't start.</p>
<p begin="00:20:43.219" end="00:20:45.340">It allows the measurement<br />of the volume flow</p>
<p begin="00:20:45.340" end="00:20:47.490">in specific vessels.</p>
<p begin="00:20:47.490" end="00:20:49.840">One of the problems that I have</p>
<p begin="00:20:49.840" end="00:20:53.360">with the dilutional method is that I have</p>
<p begin="00:20:53.360" end="00:20:55.830">a lot of vessels where we are cannulating</p>
<p begin="00:20:55.830" end="00:20:58.570">into two different sections, so, I'm not</p>
<p begin="00:20:58.570" end="00:21:02.070">cannulating their<br />forearm and use my venous</p>
<p begin="00:21:02.070" end="00:21:05.020">outflow needle in the<br />upper arm and there's</p>
<p begin="00:21:05.020" end="00:21:07.410">a basilic outflow in the middle of that.</p>
<p begin="00:21:07.410" end="00:21:10.450">So, it doesn't give me<br />an accurate volume flow</p>
<p begin="00:21:10.450" end="00:21:12.950">measurement, and those<br />people, I either have</p>
<p begin="00:21:12.950" end="00:21:15.270">to try to put two<br />needles in the one vessel</p>
<p begin="00:21:15.270" end="00:21:17.670">to do the measurement on the day</p>
<p begin="00:21:17.670" end="00:21:20.470">or if someone who's not aware that there's</p>
<p begin="00:21:20.470" end="00:21:22.574">a collateral in between goes and does</p>
<p begin="00:21:22.574" end="00:21:24.580">the measurement that<br />looks all of the sudden</p>
<p begin="00:21:24.580" end="00:21:26.650">like the volume flow's<br />changed dramatically.</p>
<p begin="00:21:26.650" end="00:21:30.890">So, if I have two branches and I'm trying</p>
<p begin="00:21:30.890" end="00:21:33.030">to get the surgeon to tie one off, I can</p>
<p begin="00:21:33.030" end="00:21:35.380">measure both branches and let them know</p>
<p begin="00:21:35.380" end="00:21:38.440">which one has the higher<br />volume flow and which is</p>
<p begin="00:21:38.440" end="00:21:41.850">the one which may be<br />the best one to tie off.</p>
<p begin="00:21:41.850" end="00:21:43.700">It only takes a few minutes to perform</p>
<p begin="00:21:43.700" end="00:21:46.840">the measurement, so it's quick and easy.</p>
<p begin="00:21:46.840" end="00:21:48.880">Once you've had a lot of practice,</p>
<p begin="00:21:48.880" end="00:21:50.130">it's quite straightforward.</p>
<p begin="00:21:50.130" end="00:21:52.950">I can also do the measurement<br />in the brachial artery</p>
<p begin="00:21:52.950" end="00:21:56.080">while they're on dialysis<br />without slowing down</p>
<p begin="00:21:56.080" end="00:21:58.900">the patients getting on dialysis.</p>
<p begin="00:21:58.900" end="00:22:01.030">It does require training to ensure</p>
<p begin="00:22:01.030" end="00:22:02.840">the accuracy of the measurement.</p>
<p begin="00:22:02.840" end="00:22:04.810">So we'll talk about some real things</p>
<p begin="00:22:04.810" end="00:22:08.530">that we can look at that will improve</p>
<p begin="00:22:08.530" end="00:22:10.100">your measurements, will insure</p>
<p begin="00:22:10.100" end="00:22:11.670">they're as accurate as possible.</p>
<p begin="00:22:11.670" end="00:22:14.594">So, that's some of the things<br />we'll discuss further on.</p>
<p begin="00:22:14.594" end="00:22:16.890">And they're less accurate<br />if they're measured</p>
<p begin="00:22:16.890" end="00:22:20.000">in an area of high<br />velocity or turbulent flow.</p>
<p begin="00:22:20.000" end="00:22:23.040">So, it is a measurement, so we do need</p>
<p begin="00:22:23.040" end="00:22:26.090">to be cautious that we<br />get the best measurement</p>
<p begin="00:22:26.090" end="00:22:29.303">that we can get when we<br />make our calculations.</p>
<p begin="00:22:30.710" end="00:22:32.730">So, the equipment that we would need</p>
<p begin="00:22:32.730" end="00:22:34.323">to be able to do volume flow measurements</p>
<p begin="00:22:34.323" end="00:22:39.323">with ultrasounds are an ultrasound<br />system with a transducer.</p>
<p begin="00:22:40.840" end="00:22:43.898">It would also need software<br />included in it to allow it do</p>
<p begin="00:22:43.898" end="00:22:48.898">Color, Pulse Wave Doppler<br />and volume flow calculations.</p>
<p begin="00:22:49.360" end="00:22:52.440">So, those sometimes you need<br />to request to be added on.</p>
<p begin="00:22:52.440" end="00:22:55.585">They aren't always included in the bundle</p>
<p begin="00:22:55.585" end="00:22:58.064">that you buy, but I usually just make sure</p>
<p begin="00:22:58.064" end="00:22:59.720">that when I look at the bundles</p>
<p begin="00:22:59.720" end="00:23:03.770">and look at it that I compare and find</p>
<p begin="00:23:03.770" end="00:23:05.940">the system that I want<br />that has all of those</p>
<p begin="00:23:05.940" end="00:23:08.340">things included, or<br />ask for them as add-ons</p>
<p begin="00:23:08.340" end="00:23:10.323">and get the quote for all of them.</p>
<p begin="00:23:11.550" end="00:23:15.523">So, blood flow sampling through<br />an arteriovenous fistula.</p>
<p begin="00:23:17.040" end="00:23:21.540">The inflow, we have the<br />pulsatile arterial flow.</p>
<p begin="00:23:21.540" end="00:23:24.365">It does change a little bit from an artery</p>
<p begin="00:23:24.365" end="00:23:29.365">once we do anastomose<br />it to the outflow vein.</p>
<p begin="00:23:29.500" end="00:23:31.740">The resistance drops a little bit,</p>
<p begin="00:23:31.740" end="00:23:34.130">so you'll see that the arterial pulse wave</p>
<p begin="00:23:34.130" end="00:23:38.480">in an artery attached to an AV<br />fistula is slightly different</p>
<p begin="00:23:38.480" end="00:23:41.970">to your artery without a<br />fistula attached to it.</p>
<p begin="00:23:41.970" end="00:23:46.060">The anastomosis area,<br />it has arterial flow,</p>
<p begin="00:23:46.060" end="00:23:47.810">but it can be very turbulent.</p>
<p begin="00:23:47.810" end="00:23:51.900">So, it's very hard to get a good velocity</p>
<p begin="00:23:51.900" end="00:23:54.560">measurement in there because the blood is</p>
<p begin="00:23:54.560" end="00:23:57.530">running all over the<br />place and spinning around.</p>
<p begin="00:23:57.530" end="00:24:01.020">And then in the outflow, it's a little bit</p>
<p begin="00:24:01.020" end="00:24:03.680">pulsatile but it doesn't<br />have your real peaked</p>
<p begin="00:24:03.680" end="00:24:07.763">pulse wave, it's more of a monophase,</p>
<p begin="00:24:07.763" end="00:24:12.763">just a phasic sort of<br />flow, and that peters off</p>
<p begin="00:24:13.240" end="00:24:16.400">and becomes just a really<br />dampened phasic flow</p>
<p begin="00:24:16.400" end="00:24:18.500">as it gets closer and closer to the heart.</p>
<p begin="00:24:20.800" end="00:24:22.010">So, if we look at this, this is</p>
<p begin="00:24:22.010" end="00:24:25.253">a pulsatile arterial blood flow here.</p>
<p begin="00:24:28.670" end="00:24:31.350">And that's measured in the area just prior</p>
<p begin="00:24:31.350" end="00:24:34.880">to the inflow and you can see that you've</p>
<p begin="00:24:34.880" end="00:24:37.623">got your nice peaked pulse waves there,</p>
<p begin="00:24:38.760" end="00:24:43.213">and that's a nice capture<br />of a pulse flow there.</p>
<p begin="00:24:45.470" end="00:24:48.330">And then this is in the anastomotic area</p>
<p begin="00:24:48.330" end="00:24:50.270">and this is actually not particularly bad</p>
<p begin="00:24:50.270" end="00:24:52.490">for an anastomotic area.</p>
<p begin="00:24:52.490" end="00:24:54.040">You can see this is obviously a little bit</p>
<p begin="00:24:54.040" end="00:24:55.310">away from the curve here.</p>
<p begin="00:24:55.310" end="00:24:57.930">It's in a straighter<br />line away from the curve.</p>
<p begin="00:24:57.930" end="00:25:00.410">If you tend to capture<br />the curve, you'll see</p>
<p begin="00:25:00.410" end="00:25:04.350">that it's very hard to<br />get rid of the artifact.</p>
<p begin="00:25:04.350" end="00:25:06.307">It's very turbulent in that area</p>
<p begin="00:25:06.307" end="00:25:09.090">and it's not a great place to be doing</p>
<p begin="00:25:09.090" end="00:25:12.333">measurements because they<br />won't be particularly accurate.</p>
<p begin="00:25:13.700" end="00:25:16.326">And then the phasic venous outflow,</p>
<p begin="00:25:16.326" end="00:25:18.140">and you can see, like I said, here that's</p>
<p begin="00:25:18.140" end="00:25:23.140">really just slow waves<br />in the outflow section.</p>
<p begin="00:25:23.810" end="00:25:25.300">It's not particularly pulsatile,</p>
<p begin="00:25:25.300" end="00:25:27.130">which is what we want of a fistula.</p>
<p begin="00:25:27.130" end="00:25:29.790">We don't want it to be<br />pulsatile because that'll</p>
<p begin="00:25:29.790" end="00:25:32.260">be telling us there's something going on,</p>
<p begin="00:25:32.260" end="00:25:35.140">and this again is not too bad an area</p>
<p begin="00:25:35.140" end="00:25:36.810">to be doing a measurement because you can</p>
<p begin="00:25:36.810" end="00:25:40.270">see that the vessel has<br />quite nice laminar flow.</p>
<p begin="00:25:40.270" end="00:25:42.858">The walls are particularly irregular,</p>
<p begin="00:25:42.858" end="00:25:45.310">but in a lot of our fistulas we know,</p>
<p begin="00:25:45.310" end="00:25:46.740">particularly the native fistulas,</p>
<p begin="00:25:46.740" end="00:25:48.490">but also grafts that have been</p>
<p begin="00:25:48.490" end="00:25:51.010">cannulated heavily, there are areas</p>
<p begin="00:25:51.010" end="00:25:53.979">in that outflow vein or<br />outflow graft segment</p>
<p begin="00:25:53.979" end="00:25:56.390">that have very irregular walls.</p>
<p begin="00:25:56.390" end="00:25:57.850">And so, you can imagine it would be</p>
<p begin="00:25:57.850" end="00:26:00.483">very hard to get a good<br />accurate measurement.</p>
<p begin="00:26:02.070" end="00:26:03.800">So, Doppler.</p>
<p begin="00:26:03.800" end="00:26:05.680">Doppler software can measure the velocity</p>
<p begin="00:26:05.680" end="00:26:08.950">of blood flow much like a<br />policeman with a radar gun.</p>
<p begin="00:26:08.950" end="00:26:10.820">It measures the flow coming towards</p>
<p begin="00:26:10.820" end="00:26:13.230">or away from the transducer face,</p>
<p begin="00:26:13.230" end="00:26:16.060">but it cannot measure blood<br />flow at a perpendicular angle.</p>
<p begin="00:26:16.060" end="00:26:18.350">So, you can see here,<br />the images, you can see</p>
<p begin="00:26:18.350" end="00:26:20.580">as the blood travels<br />towards the probe it's able</p>
<p begin="00:26:20.580" end="00:26:23.610">to capture, as it travels<br />away from the probe,</p>
<p begin="00:26:23.610" end="00:26:25.250">it'll capture, but if it's straight up</p>
<p begin="00:26:25.250" end="00:26:28.940">and down, it's not able to measure it.</p>
<p begin="00:26:28.940" end="00:26:31.480">So, we always need to have a little tilt</p>
<p begin="00:26:31.480" end="00:26:34.513">on our probe when we're measuring.</p>
<p begin="00:26:36.500" end="00:26:38.750">Blood flow going towards the transducer</p>
<p begin="00:26:38.750" end="00:26:41.000">face is assigned a positive number.</p>
<p begin="00:26:41.000" end="00:26:44.190">You can see that here, there it's 18.</p>
<p begin="00:26:44.190" end="00:26:46.720">And the blood flow going<br />away from the transducer</p>
<p begin="00:26:46.720" end="00:26:49.700">is given a negative<br />number, so a negative 18.</p>
<p begin="00:26:49.700" end="00:26:54.680">And you can really just tilt your probe</p>
<p begin="00:26:54.680" end="00:26:57.010">slightly so that you can have it angling</p>
<p begin="00:26:57.010" end="00:26:58.973">towards or away from the probe.</p>
<p begin="00:27:00.260" end="00:27:02.300">It's displayed on a Color Doppler map</p>
<p begin="00:27:02.300" end="00:27:05.930">or a spectra waveform graph<br />using the Pulse Wave Doppler.</p>
<p begin="00:27:05.930" end="00:27:08.490">So you can see here your pulsed wave</p>
<p begin="00:27:10.520" end="00:27:12.410">which is a nice pulse wave there.</p>
<p begin="00:27:12.410" end="00:27:14.318">And again, once you start<br />to do the measurements,</p>
<p begin="00:27:14.318" end="00:27:17.120">you'll know that you're<br />getting a really good reading</p>
<p begin="00:27:17.120" end="00:27:19.933">when you have this really<br />nicely defined pulse wave.</p>
<p begin="00:27:21.690" end="00:27:25.140">So, if we look at this sample<br />of Doppler measurement,</p>
<p begin="00:27:25.140" end="00:27:27.820">the blood flow towards the transducer,</p>
<p begin="00:27:27.820" end="00:27:29.800">the arterial flow, you can see that I have</p>
<p begin="00:27:29.800" end="00:27:33.300">the transducer tilted here and any blood</p>
<p begin="00:27:33.300" end="00:27:36.330">traveling towards the transducer would be</p>
<p begin="00:27:36.330" end="00:27:40.110">displayed as red and that would give us</p>
<p begin="00:27:40.110" end="00:27:42.100">an image that would look red and then the</p>
<p begin="00:27:42.100" end="00:27:44.940">venous flow is traveling<br />away from the transducer</p>
<p begin="00:27:44.940" end="00:27:49.150">and so it's assigned a blue<br />color, or a negative number.</p>
<p begin="00:27:49.150" end="00:27:50.910">So that's one way.</p>
<p begin="00:27:50.910" end="00:27:53.750">You can see in this second example</p>
<p begin="00:27:53.750" end="00:27:56.910">the probe is now tilted<br />in the opposite direction</p>
<p begin="00:27:56.910" end="00:27:59.230">and you can see there<br />that the arterial blood</p>
<p begin="00:27:59.230" end="00:28:01.370">would be flowing away from the transducer</p>
<p begin="00:28:01.370" end="00:28:02.880">and the venous blood would be flowing</p>
<p begin="00:28:02.880" end="00:28:06.500">towards the transducer,<br />so, in this scenario,</p>
<p begin="00:28:06.500" end="00:28:08.410">the arterial blood would be assigned</p>
<p begin="00:28:08.410" end="00:28:12.400">a blue color and a negative number,</p>
<p begin="00:28:12.400" end="00:28:17.350">and the venous would be<br />assigned a red or a positive.</p>
<p begin="00:28:17.350" end="00:28:20.070">So, really, it just<br />depends on your decision</p>
<p begin="00:28:20.070" end="00:28:22.290">of which way you want to tilt your probe,</p>
<p begin="00:28:22.290" end="00:28:23.930">or which way the colors would show.</p>
<p begin="00:28:23.930" end="00:28:27.290">You can also invert it<br />so that if you prefer</p>
<p begin="00:28:27.290" end="00:28:29.910">to always have your arterial<br />as red and your venous</p>
<p begin="00:28:29.910" end="00:28:31.860">as blue and you've got<br />it tilted the wrong way,</p>
<p begin="00:28:31.860" end="00:28:35.286">you can invert it so<br />that it reflects that.</p>
<p begin="00:28:35.286" end="00:28:37.390">Then when you do it perpendicular,</p>
<p begin="00:28:37.390" end="00:28:39.620">with the transducer<br />perpendicular, the system</p>
<p begin="00:28:39.620" end="00:28:44.220">can't tell what is to away<br />because you're pointing</p>
<p begin="00:28:44.220" end="00:28:46.400">completely at 90 degrees<br />so you can imagine</p>
<p begin="00:28:46.400" end="00:28:49.260">there that it can't tell<br />what's traveling to,</p>
<p begin="00:28:49.260" end="00:28:53.260">or away, so it's not able to<br />assign it a color or anything.</p>
<p begin="00:28:53.260" end="00:28:56.300">So, it'll display no color<br />on the spectral waveform.</p>
<p begin="00:28:56.300" end="00:28:58.083">So you need an angle.</p>
<p begin="00:29:01.570" end="00:29:03.170">When you're doing your measurements,</p>
<p begin="00:29:03.170" end="00:29:07.570">we're used to, in dialysis,<br />tending to just use</p>
<p begin="00:29:07.570" end="00:29:11.584">B mode, so we're not<br />that familiar and we tend</p>
<p begin="00:29:11.584" end="00:29:15.640">to forget that we do actually need to tilt</p>
<p begin="00:29:15.640" end="00:29:18.390">our probe so that we can then work out</p>
<p begin="00:29:18.390" end="00:29:20.010">which is towards and which is away,</p>
<p begin="00:29:20.010" end="00:29:23.000">and also then be able<br />to do a flow measurement</p>
<p begin="00:29:23.000" end="00:29:25.870">because it needs to be able<br />to measure the velocity.</p>
<p begin="00:29:25.870" end="00:29:30.510">So you can see here that<br />the probe on the arm,</p>
<p begin="00:29:30.510" end="00:29:33.010">it's pressing down a<br />little bit and you would</p>
<p begin="00:29:33.010" end="00:29:35.120">need to do what we call heel to toe</p>
<p begin="00:29:35.120" end="00:29:39.550">which would be to push<br />one side, and you can</p>
<p begin="00:29:39.550" end="00:29:43.160">see the video here, one side tilted</p>
<p begin="00:29:43.160" end="00:29:45.130">so that that means that blood would need</p>
<p begin="00:29:45.130" end="00:29:48.030">to be flowing towards or away from it.</p>
<p begin="00:29:48.030" end="00:29:53.030">Always angle with the vessel<br />and angle the color box.</p>
<p begin="00:29:55.510" end="00:29:57.980">It's important to remember<br />that if we're doing</p>
<p begin="00:29:57.980" end="00:30:00.960">this, if we don't have<br />a lot of gel, we tend</p>
<p begin="00:30:00.960" end="00:30:03.360">to be pushing down on the skin and that's</p>
<p begin="00:30:03.360" end="00:30:05.840">not such an issue with<br />an artery which doesn't</p>
<p begin="00:30:05.840" end="00:30:08.570">tend to compress easily,<br />but with our fistula veins</p>
<p begin="00:30:08.570" end="00:30:11.070">which are soft and low pressure, we can</p>
<p begin="00:30:11.070" end="00:30:15.260">actually compress the vessel<br />and change the flow dynamic.</p>
<p begin="00:30:15.260" end="00:30:16.690">So, it's really important<br />that we have a lot</p>
<p begin="00:30:16.690" end="00:30:18.380">of gel so that we're able to create</p>
<p begin="00:30:18.380" end="00:30:20.910">that tilt without pushing down</p>
<p begin="00:30:20.910" end="00:30:23.553">on the vessel and compressing the vessel.</p>
<p begin="00:30:24.890" end="00:30:26.180">So, Color Doppler.</p>
<p begin="00:30:26.180" end="00:30:27.610">The velocity is actually displayed</p>
<p begin="00:30:27.610" end="00:30:30.033">in a color map in centimeters per second.</p>
<p begin="00:30:30.960" end="00:30:32.150">And this is adjustable.</p>
<p begin="00:30:32.150" end="00:30:35.930">So, the venous or low flow states,</p>
<p begin="00:30:35.930" end="00:30:37.990">and the arterial high flow states,</p>
<p begin="00:30:37.990" end="00:30:40.102">so aliasing occurs if flow is faster</p>
<p begin="00:30:40.102" end="00:30:43.320">than the set scale, so we<br />need to adjust our scale.</p>
<p begin="00:30:43.320" end="00:30:46.800">So if the flow is really fast,</p>
<p begin="00:30:46.800" end="00:30:50.203">we need to adjust up to capture that.</p>
<p begin="00:30:51.320" end="00:30:53.053">So you can see here.</p>
<p begin="00:30:55.360" end="00:30:56.904">There's aliasing.</p>
<p begin="00:30:56.904" end="00:31:00.270">So the scale's been set too<br />low for the true velocity flow.</p>
<p begin="00:31:00.270" end="00:31:03.480">What it's doing, and you<br />can see the flow here</p>
<p begin="00:31:03.480" end="00:31:05.980">is seven centimeters per<br />second, or negative seven</p>
<p begin="00:31:05.980" end="00:31:07.460">centimeters per second, and you can see</p>
<p begin="00:31:07.460" end="00:31:09.400">there's a lot of aliasing here.</p>
<p begin="00:31:09.400" end="00:31:12.908">So we need to be adjusting<br />this so that it's</p>
<p begin="00:31:12.908" end="00:31:15.880">higher, maybe 18 or higher,<br />we just keep adjusting</p>
<p begin="00:31:15.880" end="00:31:17.900">until we get a nice<br />laminar flow and we don't</p>
<p begin="00:31:17.900" end="00:31:20.930">have all that yellows,<br />and whites and blues.</p>
<p begin="00:31:20.930" end="00:31:25.930">We want to get just the<br />all blue or all red.</p>
<p begin="00:31:25.990" end="00:31:28.510">Sometimes the turbulence and the velocity</p>
<p begin="00:31:28.510" end="00:31:30.270">is just too high and we struggle,</p>
<p begin="00:31:30.270" end="00:31:31.730">but usually we need to adjust it</p>
<p begin="00:31:31.730" end="00:31:33.840">so that we really get that correct.</p>
<p begin="00:31:33.840" end="00:31:36.610">So, aliasing is often<br />seen in turbulent flow</p>
<p begin="00:31:36.610" end="00:31:38.260">or when your scale is set too low.</p>
<p begin="00:31:38.260" end="00:31:41.220">So, when you put it on,<br />just set your scale,</p>
<p begin="00:31:41.220" end="00:31:46.220">adjust it to ensure that you<br />get it to the best you can.</p>
<p begin="00:31:49.090" end="00:31:51.100">Velocity may also be<br />displayed and measured</p>
<p begin="00:31:51.100" end="00:31:54.970">using Pulse Wave Doppler shown<br />on the Spectral Waveform.</p>
<p begin="00:31:54.970" end="00:31:57.730">So it's measured in<br />centimeters per second,</p>
<p begin="00:31:57.730" end="00:32:01.160">and aliasing may also occur<br />if the scale is set too low.</p>
<p begin="00:32:01.160" end="00:32:05.563">So, again here, you can see<br />that over on the side here</p>
<p begin="00:32:05.563" end="00:32:10.563">it's got the scale of velocity<br />in centimeters per second.</p>
<p begin="00:32:11.440" end="00:32:14.080">And again, if this is adjusted too low,</p>
<p begin="00:32:14.080" end="00:32:15.680">you'll find you'll get aliasing.</p>
<p begin="00:32:16.870" end="00:32:20.730">So you need to set it so that you get</p>
<p begin="00:32:20.730" end="00:32:25.030">the whole, sort of,<br />waveform in the screen,</p>
<p begin="00:32:25.030" end="00:32:27.630">So you may need to dial it up or down</p>
<p begin="00:32:27.630" end="00:32:29.203">so you can adjust that.</p>
<p begin="00:32:31.160" end="00:32:34.690">So, I've talked a little<br />bit about ultrasound</p>
<p begin="00:32:34.690" end="00:32:36.870">volume flow measurements<br />and the importance</p>
<p begin="00:32:36.870" end="00:32:38.633">of accurate measurement.</p>
<p begin="00:32:40.010" end="00:32:45.010">When it is a user-dependent<br />method if we are</p>
<p begin="00:32:45.250" end="00:32:48.260">measuring our diameters<br />incorrectly or we're</p>
<p begin="00:32:48.260" end="00:32:50.740">measuring into areas<br />with a lot of turbulence</p>
<p begin="00:32:51.838" end="00:32:55.930">and aliasing, we may not<br />be getting the better</p>
<p begin="00:32:55.930" end="00:32:57.140">measurements that we can get.</p>
<p begin="00:32:57.140" end="00:33:00.550">So, there's some tips that I've got.</p>
<p begin="00:33:00.550" end="00:33:02.730">Number one is avoid turbulent areas</p>
<p begin="00:33:02.730" end="00:33:06.380">like the anastomosis or<br />anywhere with irregular walls</p>
<p begin="00:33:06.380" end="00:33:08.960">or an irregular diameter vein.</p>
<p begin="00:33:08.960" end="00:33:11.980">You can imagine, for<br />example here, if I was</p>
<p begin="00:33:11.980" end="00:33:14.160">to try and do a velocity measurement here</p>
<p begin="00:33:14.160" end="00:33:16.090">and then do the diameter and I was</p>
<p begin="00:33:16.090" end="00:33:17.740">just a millimeter left or right</p>
<p begin="00:33:17.740" end="00:33:19.500">of where I did the velocity measurement,</p>
<p begin="00:33:19.500" end="00:33:24.340">the turbulent flow would<br />mean that my measurements</p>
<p begin="00:33:24.340" end="00:33:25.983">could be slightly out,<br />and we know that if we</p>
<p begin="00:33:25.983" end="00:33:30.920">measure the walls<br />incorrectly, we may end up</p>
<p begin="00:33:30.920" end="00:33:33.870">with an incorrect volume flow measurement.</p>
<p begin="00:33:33.870" end="00:33:36.310">It's harder to get an<br />accurate diameter measurement</p>
<p begin="00:33:36.310" end="00:33:39.210">if we're choosing these<br />irregular walled areas,</p>
<p begin="00:33:39.210" end="00:33:41.410">so particularly where we're cannulating,</p>
<p begin="00:33:41.410" end="00:33:46.270">or in the anastomosis<br />area where it's curved,</p>
<p begin="00:33:46.270" end="00:33:50.370">we may not measure directly<br />the diameter that we should be.</p>
<p begin="00:33:50.370" end="00:33:53.870">So this will increase risk of<br />operator-dependent variability</p>
<p begin="00:33:53.870" end="00:33:54.703">in those areas.</p>
<p begin="00:33:54.703" end="00:33:57.440">So we really need to be looking at areas</p>
<p begin="00:33:57.440" end="00:34:00.950">that have a nice straight wall.</p>
<p begin="00:34:00.950" end="00:34:03.480">So, turbulent flow may<br />also cause the velocity</p>
<p begin="00:34:03.480" end="00:34:05.160">measurement to be less accurate.</p>
<p begin="00:34:05.160" end="00:34:07.240">So again, if the blood is traveling</p>
<p begin="00:34:07.240" end="00:34:11.750">along the vessel (murmurs),<br />if it's traveling</p>
<p begin="00:34:11.750" end="00:34:14.400">along and then it starts to roll around</p>
<p begin="00:34:14.400" end="00:34:17.360">in these sort of wider walled areas,</p>
<p begin="00:34:17.360" end="00:34:19.080">it's not going to be as accurate</p>
<p begin="00:34:19.080" end="00:34:20.840">as if it's traveling in a straight line</p>
<p begin="00:34:20.840" end="00:34:22.370">towards and away from the probe.</p>
<p begin="00:34:22.370" end="00:34:24.880">So, it's important that we try to pick</p>
<p begin="00:34:24.880" end="00:34:28.840">areas where there's less turbulent flow</p>
<p begin="00:34:29.765" end="00:34:31.480">and make sure that we're really getting</p>
<p begin="00:34:31.480" end="00:34:33.640">the best velocity measurements.</p>
<p begin="00:34:33.640" end="00:34:35.730">Then also, a soft, aneurysmal vein,</p>
<p begin="00:34:35.730" end="00:34:37.880">it's easier to accidentally compress it</p>
<p begin="00:34:37.880" end="00:34:40.910">during the measurements,<br />so your big dilated veins,</p>
<p begin="00:34:40.910" end="00:34:43.390">just a little bit of<br />pressure from your probe,</p>
<p begin="00:34:43.390" end="00:34:46.443">or trying to do your<br />heel/toe, that tilt will</p>
<p begin="00:34:46.443" end="00:34:51.443">change the diameter and change the way</p>
<p begin="00:34:51.570" end="00:34:53.213">that the blood's flowing<br />through that vessel</p>
<p begin="00:34:53.213" end="00:34:55.630">and then may mess with our measurements.</p>
<p begin="00:34:55.630" end="00:34:57.350">Inflow measurements are more accurate</p>
<p begin="00:34:57.350" end="00:34:58.520">than outflow measurements.</p>
<p begin="00:34:58.520" end="00:35:03.520">So, I recommend using the inflow arteries,</p>
<p begin="00:35:03.610" end="00:35:05.630">particularly the big brachial artery</p>
<p begin="00:35:05.630" end="00:35:07.150">to do your volume flow measurements</p>
<p begin="00:35:07.150" end="00:35:10.963">because you've got a nice laminar flow.</p>
<p begin="00:35:11.920" end="00:35:16.060">The walls are fairly<br />regular and it's a lot</p>
<p begin="00:35:16.060" end="00:35:19.920">easier to do an accurate<br />measurement into those areas.</p>
<p begin="00:35:19.920" end="00:35:22.188">The only thing is, obviously, the amount</p>
<p begin="00:35:22.188" end="00:35:25.520">of blood running down a brachial artery</p>
<p begin="00:35:25.520" end="00:35:26.940">is slightly different to the amount</p>
<p begin="00:35:26.940" end="00:35:28.640">that's running in the<br />fistula, but when we're</p>
<p begin="00:35:28.640" end="00:35:32.810">talking about doing trends of volume flow</p>
<p begin="00:35:32.810" end="00:35:34.810">measurements where<br />we're looking at a trend</p>
<p begin="00:35:34.810" end="00:35:37.660">which may be, for<br />example it was a thousand</p>
<p begin="00:35:37.660" end="00:35:39.572">mLs a minute, five months ago and then it</p>
<p begin="00:35:39.572" end="00:35:41.805">was 800 mLs a minute, then it was 600 mLs</p>
<p begin="00:35:41.805" end="00:35:45.370">a minute, we know something's going on.</p>
<p begin="00:35:45.370" end="00:35:46.870">So, we're not looking at trends.</p>
<p begin="00:35:46.870" end="00:35:50.020">It's not particularly an<br />issue because whatever's</p>
<p begin="00:35:50.020" end="00:35:51.660">running down the brachial artery,</p>
<p begin="00:35:51.660" end="00:35:55.150">those sorts of flows, if it slows down,</p>
<p begin="00:35:55.150" end="00:35:57.020">it's because the fistula's slowing down.</p>
<p begin="00:35:57.020" end="00:36:00.013">It's not because the feet<br />or the hand is slowing down.</p>
<p begin="00:36:01.810" end="00:36:04.030">So, performing the<br />measurement, that's really</p>
<p begin="00:36:04.030" end="00:36:06.330">important with any<br />ultrasound that we follow</p>
<p begin="00:36:06.330" end="00:36:09.000">the same principles of<br />ergonomics, that we make</p>
<p begin="00:36:09.000" end="00:36:11.524">sure we set the<br />environment up really well.</p>
<p begin="00:36:11.524" end="00:36:13.880">Make sure that the arm or the leg</p>
<p begin="00:36:13.880" end="00:36:16.640">that we're planning to scan is</p>
<p begin="00:36:16.640" end="00:36:18.600">in our line of sight of the ultrasound.</p>
<p begin="00:36:18.600" end="00:36:20.270">We're not having to try and turn around</p>
<p begin="00:36:20.270" end="00:36:22.773">to look at the ultrasound,<br />that we line it all up.</p>
<p begin="00:36:24.230" end="00:36:26.390">And also, seat yourself and have yourself</p>
<p begin="00:36:26.390" end="00:36:27.500">at the right height so that you</p>
<p begin="00:36:27.500" end="00:36:29.640">don't cause any strain to yourself.</p>
<p begin="00:36:29.640" end="00:36:33.833">Scan the arm, the artery and the vein.</p>
<p begin="00:36:34.950" end="00:36:37.560">If it's a fistula or a graph, you start</p>
<p begin="00:36:37.560" end="00:36:41.390">and you scan a lot, and then<br />try and pick the best area.</p>
<p begin="00:36:41.390" end="00:36:44.080">So, preferably the larger,<br />noncalcified artery</p>
<p begin="00:36:44.080" end="00:36:45.720">like the brachial artery is better</p>
<p begin="00:36:45.720" end="00:36:48.070">than using a radial artery.</p>
<p begin="00:36:48.070" end="00:36:49.640">If you've got a radial-cephalic fistula</p>
<p begin="00:36:49.640" end="00:36:51.430">but the radial artery is quite small</p>
<p begin="00:36:51.430" end="00:36:54.190">and calcified and has turbulent flow,</p>
<p begin="00:36:54.190" end="00:36:55.990">again, it's really difficult to get</p>
<p begin="00:36:55.990" end="00:36:58.720">an accurate diameter and<br />an accurate velocity there.</p>
<p begin="00:36:58.720" end="00:37:00.535">So, sometimes it's better to scan</p>
<p begin="00:37:00.535" end="00:37:02.860">and have a good look and pick your best,</p>
<p begin="00:37:02.860" end="00:37:05.070">and the best might be the brachial artery.</p>
<p begin="00:37:05.070" end="00:37:06.880">And what I do then is I just document</p>
<p begin="00:37:06.880" end="00:37:08.320">that that's where I've<br />done the measurement,</p>
<p begin="00:37:08.320" end="00:37:10.700">so when I continue to do more measurements</p>
<p begin="00:37:10.700" end="00:37:14.113">to get a trend, I go<br />back to the same place.</p>
<p begin="00:37:15.140" end="00:37:17.820">Use a light touch;<br />remember not to compress</p>
<p begin="00:37:17.820" end="00:37:20.630">the vein or it will<br />distort the measurements.</p>
<p begin="00:37:20.630" end="00:37:22.810">Use lots of gel to allow you to angle</p>
<p begin="00:37:22.810" end="00:37:24.680">the probe in the gel without compressing</p>
<p begin="00:37:24.680" end="00:37:26.730">the low pressure veins, and you can</p>
<p begin="00:37:26.730" end="00:37:28.603">see that example of that here.</p>
<p begin="00:37:29.750" end="00:37:31.120">So, performing the measurement.</p>
<p begin="00:37:31.120" end="00:37:32.850">Choose the area with laminar flow,</p>
<p begin="00:37:32.850" end="00:37:35.050">and you can see here the example.</p>
<p begin="00:37:35.050" end="00:37:39.740">Preferably we like it to be all red,</p>
<p begin="00:37:39.740" end="00:37:42.110">or all blue, whichever way you're around,</p>
<p begin="00:37:42.110" end="00:37:45.200">whichever way you've got<br />it, and not like this.</p>
<p begin="00:37:45.200" end="00:37:46.810">If I was doing a measurement in here</p>
<p begin="00:37:46.810" end="00:37:49.720">or if I saw a volume flow measurement</p>
<p begin="00:37:49.720" end="00:37:51.380">and this is what it looked like, I would</p>
<p begin="00:37:51.380" end="00:37:53.803">be a bit suspicious that it was accurate.</p>
<p begin="00:37:54.900" end="00:37:57.840">So, measure the volume flow in the artery,</p>
<p begin="00:37:57.840" end="00:37:59.930">or any laminar segment of the graft,</p>
<p begin="00:37:59.930" end="00:38:02.400">or the fistula, the vein segment.</p>
<p begin="00:38:02.400" end="00:38:06.170">It's good to do both if<br />you're doing a baseline,</p>
<p begin="00:38:06.170" end="00:38:09.010">and if you have two<br />big branches, it's good</p>
<p begin="00:38:09.010" end="00:38:11.470">to measure both branches if you can,</p>
<p begin="00:38:11.470" end="00:38:14.260">but if it's not possible to get a segment</p>
<p begin="00:38:14.260" end="00:38:17.380">of outflow vein that's really suitable,</p>
<p begin="00:38:17.380" end="00:38:19.090">I just avoid doing it altogether,</p>
<p begin="00:38:19.090" end="00:38:20.650">and just do the brachial artery.</p>
<p begin="00:38:20.650" end="00:38:22.470">But it really is dependent.</p>
<p begin="00:38:22.470" end="00:38:24.200">But then make sure that you know</p>
<p begin="00:38:24.200" end="00:38:26.120">where you did the measurements.</p>
<p begin="00:38:26.120" end="00:38:28.040">Don't just put inflow or outflow.</p>
<p begin="00:38:28.040" end="00:38:32.660">I would put brachial<br />artery, two centimeters</p>
<p begin="00:38:32.660" end="00:38:36.130">above elbow crease, or outflow vein,</p>
<p begin="00:38:36.130" end="00:38:38.630">mid-forearm, things like<br />that so that we knew</p>
<p begin="00:38:38.630" end="00:38:41.283">that we were measuring in similar areas.</p>
<p begin="00:38:42.600" end="00:38:44.920">And just a tip, the flow<br />in the brachial artery</p>
<p begin="00:38:44.920" end="00:38:47.840">will not be less than the<br />flow in the outflow vein.</p>
<p begin="00:38:47.840" end="00:38:51.300">So, if you measured a<br />brachial cephalic fistula</p>
<p begin="00:38:51.300" end="00:38:56.210">and you measured the outflow<br />cephalic vein volume flow,</p>
<p begin="00:38:56.210" end="00:38:59.240">and it was 1000 mLs a<br />minute and then you measured</p>
<p begin="00:38:59.240" end="00:39:01.892">the brachial artery and<br />it was 500 mLs a minute,</p>
<p begin="00:39:01.892" end="00:39:05.210">we know that that's not<br />possible because the flow</p>
<p begin="00:39:05.210" end="00:39:07.920">to the fistula has to have<br />come from the brachial artery.</p>
<p begin="00:39:07.920" end="00:39:10.460">So, the brachial artery can't be running</p>
<p begin="00:39:10.460" end="00:39:14.530">at 500 mLs a minute and<br />then have the fistula</p>
<p begin="00:39:14.530" end="00:39:16.850">running at a thousand<br />because all the fistula</p>
<p begin="00:39:16.850" end="00:39:18.270">flow has to come from the artery.</p>
<p begin="00:39:18.270" end="00:39:21.370">So, that's a good way to test.</p>
<p begin="00:39:21.370" end="00:39:24.350">So sometimes doing the<br />inflow and outflow is good.</p>
<p begin="00:39:24.350" end="00:39:27.530">I do see formal ultrasounds sometimes</p>
<p begin="00:39:27.530" end="00:39:30.320">where they note that the inflow is 500 mLs</p>
<p begin="00:39:30.320" end="00:39:33.440">a minute and the outflow<br />is 1000 mLs a minute</p>
<p begin="00:39:33.440" end="00:39:36.400">and I know then to go and<br />look at their actual images</p>
<p begin="00:39:36.400" end="00:39:38.700">because I know that the<br />measurements weren't correct</p>
<p begin="00:39:38.700" end="00:39:41.947">because the inflow brachial artery can't</p>
<p begin="00:39:41.947" end="00:39:44.550">be 500 and the outflow be a thousand.</p>
<p begin="00:39:44.550" end="00:39:45.943">It's just not possible.</p>
<p begin="00:39:46.930" end="00:39:48.630">And I usually what I find then is</p>
<p begin="00:39:48.630" end="00:39:50.140">that they've measured the outflow</p>
<p begin="00:39:50.140" end="00:39:53.113">just at the anastomosis,<br />in a very turbulent area.</p>
<p begin="00:39:55.210" end="00:39:58.483">So, for actually performing<br />the volume flow measurement.</p>
<p begin="00:39:59.500" end="00:40:03.833">So this is a video here of<br />performing the measurement.</p>
<p begin="00:40:08.903" end="00:40:11.483">So, performing the<br />volume flow measurement.</p>
<p begin="00:40:12.840" end="00:40:16.500">This is just a video of actually<br />performing the measurement.</p>
<p begin="00:40:16.500" end="00:40:18.313">So you capture the image.</p>
<p begin="00:40:19.660" end="00:40:22.480">I'm not going to talk about the steps</p>
<p begin="00:40:22.480" end="00:40:25.370">to do the volume flow<br />measurements in this video</p>
<p begin="00:40:25.370" end="00:40:28.420">because different<br />ultrasounds are different.</p>
<p begin="00:40:28.420" end="00:40:31.940">So I just recommend that<br />you look at your manual,</p>
<p begin="00:40:31.940" end="00:40:33.197">or you speak to the<br />rep if you've not done,</p>
<p begin="00:40:33.197" end="00:40:36.830">and then, or speak to a<br />sonographer who'd be happy</p>
<p begin="00:40:36.830" end="00:40:40.620">to train you how to do the measurement.</p>
<p begin="00:40:40.620" end="00:40:44.390">But basically you would just need to use</p>
<p begin="00:40:44.390" end="00:40:49.390">the ultrasound to measure the diameter,</p>
<p begin="00:40:49.870" end="00:40:52.210">capture the velocity and then calculate</p>
<p begin="00:40:52.210" end="00:40:53.620">the volume flow measurement.</p>
<p begin="00:40:53.620" end="00:40:54.980">It's really important.</p>
<p begin="00:40:54.980" end="00:40:58.070">I prefer to do my measurement<br />of my blood vessel</p>
<p begin="00:40:58.070" end="00:41:00.680">in B mode without the<br />color because sometimes</p>
<p begin="00:41:00.680" end="00:41:03.180">the aliasing in the<br />color could make it hard</p>
<p begin="00:41:03.180" end="00:41:05.310">to get the true diameter of the vessel.</p>
<p begin="00:41:05.310" end="00:41:08.190">So, I think it's really<br />important, if possible,</p>
<p begin="00:41:08.190" end="00:41:11.700">to do your diameter measurement in B mode</p>
<p begin="00:41:11.700" end="00:41:15.210">without color superimposed because that</p>
<p begin="00:41:15.210" end="00:41:16.823">can make it a little bit tricky.</p>
<p begin="00:41:18.840" end="00:41:21.120">So then once you've got the volume flow</p>
<p begin="00:41:21.120" end="00:41:23.610">measurements, you can<br />document the results.</p>
<p begin="00:41:23.610" end="00:41:26.370">I create a spreadsheet, just in Excel.</p>
<p begin="00:41:26.370" end="00:41:28.400">Again, it's probably a good idea</p>
<p begin="00:41:28.400" end="00:41:31.650">to document the date, at least the date,</p>
<p begin="00:41:31.650" end="00:41:34.680">what the measurement was<br />and where that measurement</p>
<p begin="00:41:34.680" end="00:41:37.090">in the inflow or outflow vein was</p>
<p begin="00:41:37.090" end="00:41:40.953">performed so that people can relate it</p>
<p begin="00:41:42.670" end="00:41:45.740">because I think, particularly if you're</p>
<p begin="00:41:45.740" end="00:41:50.540">doing an outflow vein that we know</p>
<p begin="00:41:50.540" end="00:41:53.760">is only one lumen of two lumens.</p>
<p begin="00:41:53.760" end="00:41:56.530">So in the median cubital you're measuring</p>
<p begin="00:41:56.530" end="00:42:00.870">the basilic outflow limb,<br />rather than the cephalic limb.</p>
<p begin="00:42:00.870" end="00:42:03.250">So, it's important to<br />document where you are</p>
<p begin="00:42:03.250" end="00:42:05.257">measuring them or if you're just doing</p>
<p begin="00:42:05.257" end="00:42:08.180">the brachial artery, then<br />it's good for the next person</p>
<p begin="00:42:08.180" end="00:42:10.993">measuring to make sure<br />that they do the same.</p>
<p begin="00:42:11.850" end="00:42:13.570">A single volume flow measurement has</p>
<p begin="00:42:13.570" end="00:42:16.140">a lot less value than a trend.</p>
<p begin="00:42:16.140" end="00:42:19.116">If I have a one-off<br />measurement and it's 600 mLs</p>
<p begin="00:42:19.116" end="00:42:22.870">a minute, if it was<br />always 600 mLs a minute,</p>
<p begin="00:42:22.870" end="00:42:25.670">I wouldn't at all be<br />concerned, but if it was</p>
<p begin="00:42:25.670" end="00:42:29.070">2000 mLs a minute six months<br />ago, and all of the sudden</p>
<p begin="00:42:29.070" end="00:42:31.760">it was 600, that's much more concerning.</p>
<p begin="00:42:31.760" end="00:42:36.360">So it's really important<br />to do these measurements</p>
<p begin="00:42:36.360" end="00:42:40.030">regularly, so routine surveillance, part</p>
<p begin="00:42:40.030" end="00:42:42.880">of your surveillance is<br />to do them routinely.</p>
<p begin="00:42:42.880" end="00:42:46.410">It will not only help you<br />intervene appropriately,</p>
<p begin="00:42:46.410" end="00:42:48.350">it will also stop you from intervening</p>
<p begin="00:42:48.350" end="00:42:51.070">inappropriately, because if you are</p>
<p begin="00:42:51.070" end="00:42:53.390">constantly measuring and it's always 600,</p>
<p begin="00:42:53.390" end="00:42:55.330">you'll less likely want to go ahead and do</p>
<p begin="00:42:55.330" end="00:42:58.090">something because it's<br />actually been stable.</p>
<p begin="00:42:58.090" end="00:43:00.530">So set up a protocol<br />for ongoing monitoring</p>
<p begin="00:43:00.530" end="00:43:02.520">of volume flow to help identify</p>
<p begin="00:43:02.520" end="00:43:04.200">the volume flow that is trending down.</p>
<p begin="00:43:04.200" end="00:43:06.520">So you can see these two examples here</p>
<p begin="00:43:07.580" end="00:43:10.580">that, like I said here,<br />was 1600 mLs a minute</p>
<p begin="00:43:10.580" end="00:43:13.260">but it was trending down<br />and so then when it got</p>
<p begin="00:43:13.260" end="00:43:18.040">to 450 mLs a minute, we<br />did a formal ultrasound,</p>
<p begin="00:43:18.040" end="00:43:20.350">found a stenosis and did an angioplasty.</p>
<p begin="00:43:20.350" end="00:43:22.160">Whereas you can see that this fistula,</p>
<p begin="00:43:22.160" end="00:43:26.470">from the day it was made, was 450, 500 mLs</p>
<p begin="00:43:26.470" end="00:43:30.023">a minute and there was<br />no intervention needed.</p>
<p begin="00:43:31.160" end="00:43:32.683">Just some clinical pearls.</p>
<p begin="00:43:32.683" end="00:43:35.463">This first one would be,<br />plan your measurement sites.</p>
<p begin="00:43:35.463" end="00:43:40.122">I really look at each<br />individual arteriovenous fistula</p>
<p begin="00:43:40.122" end="00:43:44.120">and graft, look at whether<br />it's a radial cephalic fistula</p>
<p begin="00:43:44.120" end="00:43:46.100">or if it's a brachiocephalic fistula.</p>
<p begin="00:43:46.100" end="00:43:50.400">Scan the entire inflow<br />artery and outflow vein</p>
<p begin="00:43:50.400" end="00:43:54.240">or veins and pick the best<br />sites for measurement.</p>
<p begin="00:43:54.240" end="00:43:56.130">Look at it, if it's a brachiocephalic</p>
<p begin="00:43:56.130" end="00:43:58.360">or a radial cephalic fistula.</p>
<p begin="00:43:58.360" end="00:44:00.330">And then also look at the documentation</p>
<p begin="00:44:00.330" end="00:44:03.480">and see if there's been<br />volume flow measurements</p>
<p begin="00:44:03.480" end="00:44:07.090">with ultrasound before,<br />where were they doing those</p>
<p begin="00:44:07.090" end="00:44:09.910">and see whether it's important<br />to stay in the same site.</p>
<p begin="00:44:09.910" end="00:44:11.620">So, maybe it's not possible anymore</p>
<p begin="00:44:11.620" end="00:44:15.750">because the outflow vein<br />has been over cannulated</p>
<p begin="00:44:15.750" end="00:44:19.450">and is now quite dilated and unusual.</p>
<p begin="00:44:19.450" end="00:44:21.030">So avoid turbulent areas.</p>
<p begin="00:44:21.030" end="00:44:24.480">So particularly the<br />anastomosis in that area there.</p>
<p begin="00:44:24.480" end="00:44:28.800">It's very turbulent,<br />or any stenotic areas,</p>
<p begin="00:44:28.800" end="00:44:32.480">or where it bifurcates<br />or big aneurysmal areas</p>
<p begin="00:44:32.480" end="00:44:36.270">and things like that; avoid anywhere where</p>
<p begin="00:44:36.270" end="00:44:41.270">the vein walls are very jagged<br />or changed dramatically.</p>
<p begin="00:44:41.370" end="00:44:44.240">Again, it's very hard to<br />get an absolute diameter</p>
<p begin="00:44:44.240" end="00:44:47.840">where you did the velocity<br />measurement when you do that.</p>
<p begin="00:44:47.840" end="00:44:50.329">Don't compress the low pressure veins.</p>
<p begin="00:44:50.329" end="00:44:53.300">Again, if you compress your vein slightly,</p>
<p begin="00:44:53.300" end="00:44:57.150">it's no longer a circle<br />and then your diameter</p>
<p begin="00:44:57.150" end="00:44:58.900">measurement is going to be incorrect.</p>
<p begin="00:44:58.900" end="00:45:01.140">So, it's really important that you use</p>
<p begin="00:45:01.140" end="00:45:03.560">a lot of gel and when<br />you do your heel to toe</p>
<p begin="00:45:03.560" end="00:45:06.870">to get the flow to and from the probe,</p>
<p begin="00:45:06.870" end="00:45:09.230">you're tilting it in the gel, not pressing</p>
<p begin="00:45:10.071" end="00:45:13.690">on the skin and compressing the vein,</p>
<p begin="00:45:13.690" end="00:45:18.183">and causing a variation in<br />the velocity or the flow.</p>
<p begin="00:45:20.120" end="00:45:22.529">The flow in from the<br />artery will not be less</p>
<p begin="00:45:22.529" end="00:45:25.160">than the flow in the outflow vein.</p>
<p begin="00:45:25.160" end="00:45:27.143">So, that's important.</p>
<p begin="00:45:28.380" end="00:45:31.290">If you're doing a radial artery inflow,</p>
<p begin="00:45:31.290" end="00:45:33.164">then the flow in the fistula can sometimes</p>
<p begin="00:45:33.164" end="00:45:38.164">be slightly more because<br />there can be blood</p>
<p begin="00:45:38.220" end="00:45:40.632">coming from the ulnar artery<br />and through the palmar arch</p>
<p begin="00:45:40.632" end="00:45:43.802">and back up through the<br />fistula and that's why,</p>
<p begin="00:45:43.802" end="00:45:47.530">if possible, I try to stick<br />to the brachial artery</p>
<p begin="00:45:47.530" end="00:45:49.800">if I'm trying to look at comparison,</p>
<p begin="00:45:49.800" end="00:45:51.676">because I know that<br />everything that goes down</p>
<p begin="00:45:51.676" end="00:45:54.850">the brachial artery is<br />going to feed the fistula</p>
<p begin="00:45:54.850" end="00:45:59.850">in some way or another and<br />if my outflow measurement</p>
<p begin="00:46:00.310" end="00:46:01.980">is more than my inflow measurement,</p>
<p begin="00:46:01.980" end="00:46:03.186">I know I'm not getting it right.</p>
<p begin="00:46:03.186" end="00:46:05.520">While learning the skill,<br />compare your measurement</p>
<p begin="00:46:05.520" end="00:46:07.410">with other volume flow measurements,</p>
<p begin="00:46:07.410" end="00:46:09.480">such as dilutional methods, if you've</p>
<p begin="00:46:09.480" end="00:46:12.400">got those available to you in your unit.</p>
<p begin="00:46:12.400" end="00:46:16.350">I used to use the<br />ultrasound dilution method</p>
<p begin="00:46:16.350" end="00:46:19.990">and then compare it my ultrasound volume</p>
<p begin="00:46:19.990" end="00:46:24.680">flow measurements to just,<br />sort of as a double check</p>
<p begin="00:46:26.060" end="00:46:28.430">to make sure that I was<br />doing them correctly,</p>
<p begin="00:46:28.430" end="00:46:31.860">and I found that they<br />were very, very similar.</p>
<p begin="00:46:31.860" end="00:46:34.130">I didn't find much variation once I got</p>
<p begin="00:46:34.130" end="00:46:37.303">my technique down pat.</p>
<p begin="00:46:38.350" end="00:46:41.330">Just be mindful that<br />sometimes we have been</p>
<p begin="00:46:41.330" end="00:46:43.270">doing the dilutional<br />measurements and there's</p>
<p begin="00:46:43.270" end="00:46:45.970">been a branch in-between, so<br />our dilutional measurements</p>
<p begin="00:46:45.970" end="00:46:47.200">were actually not correct.</p>
<p begin="00:46:47.200" end="00:46:50.690">So be really mindful of the anatomy</p>
<p begin="00:46:50.690" end="00:46:52.530">of the fistula that you're doing.</p>
<p begin="00:46:52.530" end="00:46:55.610">So, if you're doing an<br />ultrasound measurement</p>
<p begin="00:46:55.610" end="00:46:57.950">of the area where you're<br />cannulating and it comes</p>
<p begin="00:46:57.950" end="00:46:59.903">up at 600 mLs a minute and then you do</p>
<p begin="00:46:59.903" end="00:47:03.640">a dilutional one and it's<br />always over a thousand,</p>
<p begin="00:47:03.640" end="00:47:05.760">have a look, there<br />probably is a collateral</p>
<p begin="00:47:05.760" end="00:47:09.020">or a branch between and<br />so your dilutional one's</p>
<p begin="00:47:09.020" end="00:47:11.130">actually been incorrect all along.</p>
<p begin="00:47:11.130" end="00:47:14.530">So, that's really important<br />to know your anatomy.</p>
<p begin="00:47:14.530" end="00:47:16.610">So, that's all the clinical pearls.</p>
<p begin="00:47:16.610" end="00:47:20.110">The best thing is to get the<br />ultrasounds and practice.</p>
<p begin="00:47:20.110" end="00:47:24.260">I like to measure my<br />pre-dialysis patients,</p>
<p begin="00:47:24.260" end="00:47:28.210">use the brachial artery<br />and get my technique</p>
<p begin="00:47:28.210" end="00:47:29.980">down pat with the brachial<br />artery 'cause it's</p>
<p begin="00:47:29.980" end="00:47:33.230">a nice vessel to measure because it's got</p>
<p begin="00:47:33.230" end="00:47:37.040">nice laminar wall, sorry, laminar flow</p>
<p begin="00:47:37.040" end="00:47:39.910">and the walls are nice and straight.</p>
<p begin="00:47:39.910" end="00:47:43.870">And then with the new fistulas they do</p>
<p begin="00:47:43.870" end="00:47:45.470">still have nice straight walls</p>
<p begin="00:47:45.470" end="00:47:46.867">and laminar, but they can be soft.</p>
<p begin="00:47:46.867" end="00:47:49.010">So you do need to be mindful.</p>
<p begin="00:47:49.010" end="00:47:51.660">But it's good to practice<br />on them, doing your heel</p>
<p begin="00:47:51.660" end="00:47:55.170">to toe using lots of<br />gel and not distorting</p>
<p begin="00:47:55.170" end="00:47:57.930">the vein when you're<br />doing your measurements.</p>
<p begin="00:47:57.930" end="00:48:01.170">And then when the people are on dialysis,</p>
<p begin="00:48:01.170" end="00:48:03.410">so that you're not interfering<br />with their dialysis</p>
<p begin="00:48:03.410" end="00:48:05.950">time, I put them on<br />dialysis with their needles</p>
<p begin="00:48:05.950" end="00:48:10.300">in and then, if it's<br />possible, I do ultrasound</p>
<p begin="00:48:10.300" end="00:48:11.910">measurements of their brachial arteries</p>
<p begin="00:48:11.910" end="00:48:13.840">so that I can still get in and do that</p>
<p begin="00:48:13.840" end="00:48:15.060">even though the needles are in.</p>
<p begin="00:48:15.060" end="00:48:16.510">They're not in the way and I can do</p>
<p begin="00:48:16.510" end="00:48:17.970">the brachial artery measurements</p>
<p begin="00:48:17.970" end="00:48:22.120">without making them wait<br />to start on dialysis.</p>
<p begin="00:48:22.120" end="00:48:26.720">So, practice, practice,<br />compare it with other</p>
<p begin="00:48:26.720" end="00:48:31.370">methods and speak to other nurses who've</p>
<p begin="00:48:31.370" end="00:48:33.740">maybe used it before or go and visit</p>
<p begin="00:48:33.740" end="00:48:36.060">your sonographers and your<br />ultrasound department,</p>
<p begin="00:48:36.060" end="00:48:37.690">and see if they would be prepared to sit</p>
<p begin="00:48:37.690" end="00:48:40.750">with you to do some practice with them.</p>
<p begin="00:48:40.750" end="00:48:42.003">Thank you for your time.</p>
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Alternatives for Opioids for Pain Management in the Emergency Department

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<p begin="00:00:00.640" end="00:00:03.990">- Hello everyone, thank you for<br />joining us for this webinar.</p>
<p begin="00:00:03.990" end="00:00:06.810">My name is Alexis LaPietra<br />and today we are going</p>
<p begin="00:00:06.810" end="00:00:09.620">to be talking about<br />alternatives to opioids</p>
<p begin="00:00:09.620" end="00:00:12.193">for pain management in<br />the emergency department.</p>
<p begin="00:00:13.400" end="00:00:15.030">So a few numbers to start off with,</p>
<p begin="00:00:15.030" end="00:00:18.720">1.9 million is the number of Americans</p>
<p begin="00:00:18.720" end="00:00:22.410">that are currently abusing<br />or misusing opioids,</p>
<p begin="00:00:22.410" end="00:00:27.410">75% is the percentage of<br />heroin abusers in treatment</p>
<p begin="00:00:27.720" end="00:00:32.610">that state they started using<br />heroin after becoming addicted</p>
<p begin="00:00:32.610" end="00:00:34.320">to prescription opiates.</p>
<p begin="00:00:34.320" end="00:00:39.320">This is a stark change from<br />what we saw 30 or 40 years ago</p>
<p begin="00:00:39.890" end="00:00:43.720">where 95% of heroin abusers in treatment</p>
<p begin="00:00:43.720" end="00:00:46.910">stated they started using heroin</p>
<p begin="00:00:46.910" end="00:00:48.730">when they started using heroin.</p>
<p begin="00:00:48.730" end="00:00:52.360">So we see now a shift from heroin users</p>
<p begin="00:00:52.360" end="00:00:55.630">starting their opiate<br />addiction with heroin</p>
<p begin="00:00:55.630" end="00:01:00.250">but now opiate addiction starts<br />with prescription opiates,</p>
<p begin="00:01:00.250" end="00:01:04.610">and unfortunately later<br />transitions to heroin abuse.</p>
<p begin="00:01:04.610" end="00:01:08.310">51 is the number of<br />Americans that die every day</p>
<p begin="00:01:08.310" end="00:01:12.847">from an opioid overdose which<br />is about 18,893 Americans</p>
<p begin="00:01:14.330" end="00:01:15.880">every year that die.</p>
<p begin="00:01:15.880" end="00:01:18.200">This is rapidly becoming the number one</p>
<p begin="00:01:18.200" end="00:01:22.483">preventable cause of death<br />nationally, opiate overdose.</p>
<p begin="00:01:23.560" end="00:01:27.160">This also affects extremes of<br />age when I think about seniors</p>
<p begin="00:01:27.160" end="00:01:28.880">and pediatric patients.</p>
<p begin="00:01:28.880" end="00:01:30.780">So when we often think of opiate abuse</p>
<p begin="00:01:30.780" end="00:01:33.180">we are not thinking of geriatric patients.</p>
<p begin="00:01:33.180" end="00:01:35.393">However, we see that there are</p>
<p begin="00:01:35.393" end="00:01:37.420">2.8 million geriatric patients</p>
<p begin="00:01:37.420" end="00:01:39.210">that are abusing or misusing</p>
<p begin="00:01:39.210" end="00:01:41.700">opiates every year.</p>
<p begin="00:01:41.700" end="00:01:43.580">This is multifactorial.</p>
<p begin="00:01:43.580" end="00:01:45.640">But part of it is geriatric patients</p>
<p begin="00:01:45.640" end="00:01:47.470">listen to their physicians,</p>
<p begin="00:01:47.470" end="00:01:49.060">and when they hear the physician say,</p>
<p begin="00:01:49.060" end="00:01:52.070">take this medication<br />every four or six hours,</p>
<p begin="00:01:52.070" end="00:01:55.580">they often don't hear<br />the p.r.n., or as needed,</p>
<p begin="00:01:55.580" end="00:01:56.700">for pain part.</p>
<p begin="00:01:56.700" end="00:02:00.520">So they continue to judiciously<br />take their medication</p>
<p begin="00:02:00.520" end="00:02:03.290">every four to six hours and<br />when they get to the bottom</p>
<p begin="00:02:03.290" end="00:02:05.840">of the 15, 20, or 30 tablets,</p>
<p begin="00:02:05.840" end="00:02:09.320">this population is unfortunately addicted</p>
<p begin="00:02:09.320" end="00:02:11.740">to that medication physiologically.</p>
<p begin="00:02:11.740" end="00:02:14.450">Also we look at pediatric patients.</p>
<p begin="00:02:14.450" end="00:02:17.850">And this population, we don't<br />typically see practitioners</p>
<p begin="00:02:17.850" end="00:02:20.420">prescribing opiates to pediatrics.</p>
<p begin="00:02:20.420" end="00:02:23.670">What we see are that the young adults see</p>
<p begin="00:02:23.670" end="00:02:26.150">these pill bottles in mom, dad, grandma,</p>
<p begin="00:02:26.150" end="00:02:28.040">grandpa's medicine cabinet,</p>
<p begin="00:02:28.040" end="00:02:30.690">and they have a peaked interest</p>
<p begin="00:02:30.690" end="00:02:33.660">and they recreationally<br />use these medications.</p>
<p begin="00:02:33.660" end="00:02:37.260">So we have about 467,000 adolescents</p>
<p begin="00:02:37.260" end="00:02:40.380">that are currently non-medical users</p>
<p begin="00:02:40.380" end="00:02:42.930">and also 168,000 that are addicted.</p>
<p begin="00:02:42.930" end="00:02:44.560">So this goes just beyond prescribing,</p>
<p begin="00:02:44.560" end="00:02:46.920">this also goes to thinking about</p>
<p begin="00:02:46.920" end="00:02:48.710">how many tabs you're prescribing because</p>
<p begin="00:02:48.710" end="00:02:51.530">there is an excess of this<br />medication in the community</p>
<p begin="00:02:51.530" end="00:02:55.293">and that can lead to<br />unnecessary use and abuse.</p>
<p begin="00:02:56.340" end="00:02:59.100">So this epidemic is multifactorial.</p>
<p begin="00:02:59.100" end="00:03:02.730">But as we saw more and<br />more opiate addiction</p>
<p begin="00:03:02.730" end="00:03:05.340">we looked and saw, wow, there was</p>
<p begin="00:03:05.340" end="00:03:07.480">more and more opiate prescribing.</p>
<p begin="00:03:07.480" end="00:03:10.740">So we all know the story<br />that in the early 90s</p>
<p begin="00:03:10.740" end="00:03:13.740">there was a push for<br />better pain management</p>
<p begin="00:03:13.740" end="00:03:17.391">and documenting pain<br />scores more judiciously.</p>
<p begin="00:03:17.391" end="00:03:20.730">And there were no more tools<br />in practitioner's toolboxes</p>
<p begin="00:03:20.730" end="00:03:23.390">and I think that it was<br />well-intentioned prescribing</p>
<p begin="00:03:23.390" end="00:03:25.720">of opiates that got us here,</p>
<p begin="00:03:25.720" end="00:03:28.180">but the more opiates<br />that we are prescribing</p>
<p begin="00:03:28.180" end="00:03:31.093">the more addiction that we see.</p>
<p begin="00:03:32.760" end="00:03:34.440">So in the emergency department,</p>
<p begin="00:03:34.440" end="00:03:37.790">when we see patients and we<br />see patients with acute pain,</p>
<p begin="00:03:37.790" end="00:03:40.930">our number one goal is to<br />get them feeling better.</p>
<p begin="00:03:40.930" end="00:03:42.730">Again, as mentioned earlier,</p>
<p begin="00:03:42.730" end="00:03:44.650">when we think about what we have</p>
<p begin="00:03:44.650" end="00:03:46.350">to help patients feel better,</p>
<p begin="00:03:46.350" end="00:03:47.940">I think practitioners feel that they</p>
<p begin="00:03:47.940" end="00:03:49.960">only have a few things in their toolbox.</p>
<p begin="00:03:49.960" end="00:03:52.270">They have Tylenol, they<br />have anti-inflammatories,</p>
<p begin="00:03:52.270" end="00:03:55.000">and if neither one of those<br />work then they have opiates.</p>
<p begin="00:03:55.000" end="00:03:58.970">And often opiates are treated<br />as a first line medication.</p>
<p begin="00:03:58.970" end="00:04:02.000">But what we found was with<br />liberal opiate prescribing</p>
<p begin="00:04:02.000" end="00:04:04.010">over the past two decades that</p>
<p begin="00:04:04.010" end="00:04:06.320">has led to significant addiction.</p>
<p begin="00:04:06.320" end="00:04:08.410">So although opiates are important,</p>
<p begin="00:04:08.410" end="00:04:10.860">and we have to utilize<br />opiates when necessary</p>
<p begin="00:04:10.860" end="00:04:12.400">for certain kinds of pain,</p>
<p begin="00:04:12.400" end="00:04:15.110">this reflexive prescribing of opiate</p>
<p begin="00:04:15.110" end="00:04:18.760">has unfortunately led to<br />a terrible opiate crisis</p>
<p begin="00:04:18.760" end="00:04:20.660">and significant addiction.</p>
<p begin="00:04:20.660" end="00:04:24.420">Therefore, looking now at<br />more pain management research</p>
<p begin="00:04:24.420" end="00:04:26.770">and seeing what medications are out there,</p>
<p begin="00:04:26.770" end="00:04:28.990">researchers and<br />practitioners have discovered</p>
<p begin="00:04:28.990" end="00:04:31.420">there are a multitude of alternatives</p>
<p begin="00:04:31.420" end="00:04:34.010">for specific conditions<br />that are as effective,</p>
<p begin="00:04:34.010" end="00:04:36.000">if not more effective, than opiates.</p>
<p begin="00:04:36.000" end="00:04:39.920">So let's try and decrease opiate use;</p>
<p begin="00:04:39.920" end="00:04:42.890">therefore, stopping<br />some of this addiction,</p>
<p begin="00:04:42.890" end="00:04:45.590">and we're going to do that<br />by using more alternatives.</p>
<p begin="00:04:46.700" end="00:04:48.410">At St. Joseph's Regional Medical Center</p>
<p begin="00:04:48.410" end="00:04:51.070">in Patterson, New Jersey,<br />we developed a program</p>
<p begin="00:04:51.070" end="00:04:53.330">called ALTO, or Alternatives to Opioids.</p>
<p begin="00:04:53.330" end="00:04:57.150">And this was a program<br />that was developed, again,</p>
<p begin="00:04:57.150" end="00:04:58.830">based on the opiate crisis</p>
<p begin="00:04:58.830" end="00:05:01.820">and the belief that there<br />were definitely medications</p>
<p begin="00:05:01.820" end="00:05:05.410">and modalities that we could<br />use in lieu of opiates,</p>
<p begin="00:05:05.410" end="00:05:07.330">not because we didn't want to give opiates</p>
<p begin="00:05:07.330" end="00:05:09.080">but we wanted to do better.</p>
<p begin="00:05:09.080" end="00:05:11.190">We wanted to elevate pain management,</p>
<p begin="00:05:11.190" end="00:05:12.880">successfully treat patients,</p>
<p begin="00:05:12.880" end="00:05:14.567">but we also wanted to reevaluate</p>
<p begin="00:05:14.567" end="00:05:18.410">the need for first line<br />opiate prescribing.</p>
<p begin="00:05:18.410" end="00:05:21.030">The five conditions<br />that have great evidence</p>
<p begin="00:05:21.030" end="00:05:24.270">that alternatives are as<br />effective or more effective</p>
<p begin="00:05:24.270" end="00:05:27.800">than opiates are renal<br />colic, musculoskeletal pain,</p>
<p begin="00:05:27.800" end="00:05:30.060">lumbar radiculopathy, migraine headache,</p>
<p begin="00:05:30.060" end="00:05:32.130">and extremity fracture/dislocation.</p>
<p begin="00:05:32.130" end="00:05:35.840">And because you are watching<br />an ultrasound-focused podcast,</p>
<p begin="00:05:35.840" end="00:05:38.640">what we're going to talk<br />about is ultrasound-guided</p>
<p begin="00:05:38.640" end="00:05:40.340">regional anesthesia.</p>
<p begin="00:05:40.340" end="00:05:43.890">This is a fantastic<br />modality for the management</p>
<p begin="00:05:43.890" end="00:05:46.510">of extremity fracture dislocation pain.</p>
<p begin="00:05:46.510" end="00:05:47.510">So why is this good?</p>
<p begin="00:05:47.510" end="00:05:48.910">Why do we wanna learn about this?</p>
<p begin="00:05:48.910" end="00:05:53.460">Well, it is first of all<br />targeted, focused pain relief.</p>
<p begin="00:05:53.460" end="00:05:55.890">When we administer opiates systemically</p>
<p begin="00:05:55.890" end="00:05:58.070">the side effect is the brain gets foggy</p>
<p begin="00:05:58.070" end="00:06:00.100">and well, they forget about their pain.</p>
<p begin="00:06:00.100" end="00:06:02.330">But with ultrasound-guided<br />regional anesthesia</p>
<p begin="00:06:02.330" end="00:06:05.430">you can put local anesthetic<br />exactly where the pain</p>
<p begin="00:06:05.430" end="00:06:09.150">is coming from and<br />completely stop that pain.</p>
<p begin="00:06:09.150" end="00:06:12.390">There is no amount of opiate<br />that's going to safely</p>
<p begin="00:06:12.390" end="00:06:15.130">completely resolve fracture<br />or dislocation pain.</p>
<p begin="00:06:15.130" end="00:06:16.780">So this is a major plus</p>
<p begin="00:06:16.780" end="00:06:19.480">for ultrasound-guided regional anesthesia.</p>
<p begin="00:06:19.480" end="00:06:21.080">It is also long acting.</p>
<p begin="00:06:21.080" end="00:06:23.160">When we think about opiates, morphine,</p>
<p begin="00:06:23.160" end="00:06:26.410">one of the longer acting<br />intravenous opiates,</p>
<p begin="00:06:26.410" end="00:06:29.900">we're not getting all that<br />many hours of analgesia.</p>
<p begin="00:06:29.900" end="00:06:34.260">But when we administer certain<br />long-acting local anesthetics</p>
<p begin="00:06:34.260" end="00:06:37.640">we can have up to 12<br />or 24 hours of relief.</p>
<p begin="00:06:37.640" end="00:06:39.950">And if a catheter is placed at that site</p>
<p begin="00:06:39.950" end="00:06:41.370">we can have days of relief.</p>
<p begin="00:06:41.370" end="00:06:44.770">So this is long-acting,<br />complete pain relief.</p>
<p begin="00:06:44.770" end="00:06:47.900">Additionally when patients<br />are potentially unstable,</p>
<p begin="00:06:47.900" end="00:06:50.010">their vitals signs aren't looking great,</p>
<p begin="00:06:50.010" end="00:06:53.200">we may not want to give them<br />large amounts of opiates.</p>
<p begin="00:06:53.200" end="00:06:55.950">But we can perform a nerve block.</p>
<p begin="00:06:55.950" end="00:06:57.360">There is no vital sign changes</p>
<p begin="00:06:57.360" end="00:06:58.970">that we see with the nerve blocks.</p>
<p begin="00:06:58.970" end="00:07:01.470">And lastly, it's a hands-on procedure,</p>
<p begin="00:07:01.470" end="00:07:04.230">there's instant gratification,<br />and it is billable</p>
<p begin="00:07:04.230" end="00:07:05.640">when you perform it.</p>
<p begin="00:07:05.640" end="00:07:07.233">So it's a win-win situation.</p>
<p begin="00:07:08.480" end="00:07:10.990">In addition to the<br />Sonosite ultrasound machine</p>
<p begin="00:07:10.990" end="00:07:13.000">that you'll need at bedside to complete</p>
<p begin="00:07:13.000" end="00:07:15.110">ultrasound-guided regional anesthesia,</p>
<p begin="00:07:15.110" end="00:07:17.410">there are a few other<br />things that you will need.</p>
<p begin="00:07:17.410" end="00:07:19.630">First of all is patient consent.</p>
<p begin="00:07:19.630" end="00:07:22.180">The only contraindications<br />to doing this procedure</p>
<p begin="00:07:22.180" end="00:07:26.630">are patient refusal or<br />allergy to local anesthetic,</p>
<p begin="00:07:26.630" end="00:07:30.430">and lastly cellulitis<br />overlying that needle site.</p>
<p begin="00:07:30.430" end="00:07:32.030">So once you have patient consent,</p>
<p begin="00:07:32.030" end="00:07:34.840">you've talked to your team<br />about the appropriateness</p>
<p begin="00:07:34.840" end="00:07:37.890">of a block you wanna go<br />ahead and put the patient</p>
<p begin="00:07:37.890" end="00:07:39.410">on the cardiac monitor,</p>
<p begin="00:07:39.410" end="00:07:42.080">wanna be measuring the blood pressure,</p>
<p begin="00:07:42.080" end="00:07:44.260">heart rate, pulse oximetry.</p>
<p begin="00:07:44.260" end="00:07:48.110">You want to have an, excuse<br />me, an intravenous line</p>
<p begin="00:07:48.110" end="00:07:51.010">to administer any potential<br />medications that you may need.</p>
<p begin="00:07:52.140" end="00:07:57.140">You also want some ChloraPrep<br />or sterile cleansing solution</p>
<p begin="00:07:57.160" end="00:07:59.850">so that your site stays<br />sterile and nice and clean.</p>
<p begin="00:07:59.850" end="00:08:01.890">In addition, you need sterile gloves</p>
<p begin="00:08:01.890" end="00:08:03.820">to perform this procedure.</p>
<p begin="00:08:03.820" end="00:08:06.050">You also want a needle.</p>
<p begin="00:08:06.050" end="00:08:08.200">So there are special<br />needles that you can use</p>
<p begin="00:08:08.200" end="00:08:10.590">for ultrasound-guided regional anesthesia,</p>
<p begin="00:08:10.590" end="00:08:14.180">which have some echogenic notches in them.</p>
<p begin="00:08:14.180" end="00:08:16.250">They have extension tubing as well.</p>
<p begin="00:08:16.250" end="00:08:18.390">If you don't have anything fancy like that</p>
<p begin="00:08:18.390" end="00:08:20.310">you can reach for a spinal needle,</p>
<p begin="00:08:20.310" end="00:08:22.860">as long as you have a<br />needle that is long enough.</p>
<p begin="00:08:22.860" end="00:08:24.950">You want about a two to four inch needle,</p>
<p begin="00:08:24.950" end="00:08:28.210">21 to 25 gauge to perform this procedure.</p>
<p begin="00:08:28.210" end="00:08:31.310">You wanna visualize your<br />needle at all times.</p>
<p begin="00:08:31.310" end="00:08:33.350">You also need your local anesthetic.</p>
<p begin="00:08:33.350" end="00:08:34.800">So ropivacaine or bupivacaine</p>
<p begin="00:08:35.940" end="00:08:38.950">are two long-acting local<br />anesthetics of choice,</p>
<p begin="00:08:38.950" end="00:08:40.820">and depending on the type<br />of block you're doing</p>
<p begin="00:08:40.820" end="00:08:43.700">you'll need about 15 to 30 milliliters.</p>
<p begin="00:08:43.700" end="00:08:47.130">You want to also have<br />a sterile probe cover</p>
<p begin="00:08:47.130" end="00:08:50.810">on your linear transducer<br />so that when you're</p>
<p begin="00:08:50.810" end="00:08:54.373">doing your scanning you have<br />the probe sterilely covered.</p>
<p begin="00:08:55.840" end="00:08:57.840">So let's talk about when<br />we're gonna use this.</p>
<p begin="00:08:57.840" end="00:09:00.840">So this patient right here<br />is a 92-year-old female</p>
<p begin="00:09:00.840" end="00:09:03.600">who tripped over her slippers<br />and fell to the ground.</p>
<p begin="00:09:03.600" end="00:09:04.860">The family heard the fall,</p>
<p begin="00:09:04.860" end="00:09:06.830">brought her into the emergency department.</p>
<p begin="00:09:06.830" end="00:09:08.570">Based on your physical exam,</p>
<p begin="00:09:08.570" end="00:09:10.730">there's an externally<br />rotated shortened leg,</p>
<p begin="00:09:10.730" end="00:09:12.240">she has significant pain in the hip.</p>
<p begin="00:09:12.240" end="00:09:14.924">You're very suspicious that<br />she has a hip fracture.</p>
<p begin="00:09:14.924" end="00:09:18.700">But you need to get your x-ray.</p>
<p begin="00:09:18.700" end="00:09:20.720">You wanna get her moving<br />so you put that line in</p>
<p begin="00:09:20.720" end="00:09:22.860">and think let's just do<br />some morphine to start.</p>
<p begin="00:09:22.860" end="00:09:24.760">So she gets four milligrams of morphine.</p>
<p begin="00:09:24.760" end="00:09:26.710">Goes off to x-ray, she comes back.</p>
<p begin="00:09:26.710" end="00:09:29.860">That was about 15 or 20<br />minutes and she is crying.</p>
<p begin="00:09:29.860" end="00:09:32.090">She says she has no pain relief at all.</p>
<p begin="00:09:32.090" end="00:09:34.210">So she's about 60 kilograms.</p>
<p begin="00:09:34.210" end="00:09:36.970">We look a her vital signs,<br />she's certainly not somnolent,</p>
<p begin="00:09:36.970" end="00:09:39.290">so you give her another<br />four milligrams of morphine.</p>
<p begin="00:09:39.290" end="00:09:41.370">You get your x-ray back, you think woops,</p>
<p begin="00:09:41.370" end="00:09:44.140">there we go, she has a hip fracture.</p>
<p begin="00:09:44.140" end="00:09:46.580">You're gonna talk to the<br />PMD, talk to orthopedics.</p>
<p begin="00:09:46.580" end="00:09:48.900">20 minutes go by, you<br />get back in the room.</p>
<p begin="00:09:48.900" end="00:09:51.130">She's still in significant pain,</p>
<p begin="00:09:51.130" end="00:09:53.590">crying, pleading with you<br />to give her something.</p>
<p begin="00:09:53.590" end="00:09:56.497">You check the line, you flush<br />the line, the line is good.</p>
<p begin="00:09:56.497" end="00:09:59.640">You decide to give her another<br />four milligrams of morphine.</p>
<p begin="00:09:59.640" end="00:10:01.170">So at this point you think, my gosh,</p>
<p begin="00:10:01.170" end="00:10:04.570">I'm giving this elderly woman<br />12 milligrams of morphine,</p>
<p begin="00:10:04.570" end="00:10:07.900">but again, our goal is to<br />get people feeling better.</p>
<p begin="00:10:07.900" end="00:10:09.700">Now the patient has a bed.</p>
<p begin="00:10:09.700" end="00:10:11.630">The nurse is calling to give report.</p>
<p begin="00:10:11.630" end="00:10:13.750">You go in to talk to the<br />family and the patient</p>
<p begin="00:10:13.750" end="00:10:15.440">and everybody's in distress.</p>
<p begin="00:10:15.440" end="00:10:17.530">The patient feels horrible.</p>
<p begin="00:10:17.530" end="00:10:19.340">She has had 12 milligrams of morphine.</p>
<p begin="00:10:19.340" end="00:10:21.980">Her pain is intolerable<br />and not controlled.</p>
<p begin="00:10:21.980" end="00:10:23.930">Now you're gonna wheel her upstairs,</p>
<p begin="00:10:23.930" end="00:10:25.450">transfer her to a stretcher,</p>
<p begin="00:10:25.450" end="00:10:27.840">and you've really gotten nowhere<br />with her pain management.</p>
<p begin="00:10:27.840" end="00:10:30.193">So what can we do?</p>
<p begin="00:10:31.690" end="00:10:33.990">What we can do is a femoral nerve block</p>
<p begin="00:10:33.990" end="00:10:36.250">or a fascia iliaca compartment block.</p>
<p begin="00:10:36.250" end="00:10:38.720">The indications for femoral nerve block</p>
<p begin="00:10:38.720" end="00:10:41.120">are hip fracture and femur fracture.</p>
<p begin="00:10:41.120" end="00:10:42.829">This is a fantastic modality</p>
<p begin="00:10:42.829" end="00:10:46.646">because it gets patients<br />complete pain relief</p>
<p begin="00:10:46.646" end="00:10:51.250">with prolonged pain relief<br />that help with transferring,</p>
<p begin="00:10:51.250" end="00:10:53.750">with bedpan use, with x-ray,</p>
<p begin="00:10:53.750" end="00:10:56.410">and with any kind of movement in the bed.</p>
<p begin="00:10:56.410" end="00:10:58.630">Femoral nerve block<br />contraindications, again,</p>
<p begin="00:10:58.630" end="00:11:00.170">which I discussed earlier</p>
<p begin="00:11:00.170" end="00:11:03.060">include allergy to local anesthetic,</p>
<p begin="00:11:03.060" end="00:11:06.340">patient refusal, and<br />cellulitis over the site.</p>
<p begin="00:11:06.340" end="00:11:08.540">The lower extremity will be paralyzed</p>
<p begin="00:11:08.540" end="00:11:10.190">after your femoral nerve block,</p>
<p begin="00:11:10.190" end="00:11:12.680">but these patients are not ambulatory.</p>
<p begin="00:11:12.680" end="00:11:15.380">So there is really no contraindications</p>
<p begin="00:11:15.380" end="00:11:17.903">in terms of mobility<br />because they're not walking.</p>
<p begin="00:11:19.450" end="00:11:20.930">So geriatric hip fracture.</p>
<p begin="00:11:20.930" end="00:11:24.760">Why is it so important to<br />control geriatric pain?</p>
<p begin="00:11:24.760" end="00:11:27.300">I would say practitioners are more worried</p>
<p begin="00:11:27.300" end="00:11:29.740">about oversedating or the side effects</p>
<p begin="00:11:29.740" end="00:11:32.650">of prescribing too many<br />opiates in this population,</p>
<p begin="00:11:32.650" end="00:11:34.420">but we really, as practitioners,</p>
<p begin="00:11:34.420" end="00:11:38.140">have to also think about oligoanalgesia</p>
<p begin="00:11:38.140" end="00:11:41.471">or undertreatment of pain.</p>
<p begin="00:11:41.471" end="00:11:44.170">When we look at geriatric patients</p>
<p begin="00:11:44.170" end="00:11:47.720">who are cognitively intact, inpatient,</p>
<p begin="00:11:47.720" end="00:11:49.870">for treatment of their hip fracture,</p>
<p begin="00:11:49.870" end="00:11:53.784">patients who receive<br />less than 10 milligrams</p>
<p begin="00:11:53.784" end="00:11:55.570">of intravenous morphine per day tend</p>
<p begin="00:11:55.570" end="00:11:59.910">to have a nine times<br />higher rate of delirium</p>
<p begin="00:11:59.910" end="00:12:01.870">than cognitively intact patients</p>
<p begin="00:12:01.870" end="00:12:04.750">who receive more than 10<br />milligrams of morphine.</p>
<p begin="00:12:04.750" end="00:12:07.020">What that means is when<br />we're undertreating</p>
<p begin="00:12:07.020" end="00:12:09.790">this terrible severe pain<br />it's actually leading</p>
<p begin="00:12:09.790" end="00:12:12.240">to significantly more delirium.</p>
<p begin="00:12:12.240" end="00:12:15.380">So when we think, again, of<br />the treatment of hip fracture,</p>
<p begin="00:12:15.380" end="00:12:18.890">yes, we wanna balance out analgesic needs</p>
<p begin="00:12:18.890" end="00:12:20.660">and side effects of opiates,</p>
<p begin="00:12:20.660" end="00:12:23.850">but also we wanna provide<br />adequate pain relief</p>
<p begin="00:12:23.850" end="00:12:25.113">to this population.</p>
<p begin="00:12:26.100" end="00:12:30.590">Another study showed that<br />patients of all the modalities</p>
<p begin="00:12:30.590" end="00:12:32.436">or medications that<br />could be made available,</p>
<p begin="00:12:32.436" end="00:12:34.860">patients benefited most or had</p>
<p begin="00:12:34.860" end="00:12:37.090">most successful pain management</p>
<p begin="00:12:37.090" end="00:12:39.700">with ultrasound-guided<br />regional anesthesia.</p>
<p begin="00:12:39.700" end="00:12:43.118">So systemic opiates, immobilization,</p>
<p begin="00:12:43.118" end="00:12:46.430">neurostimulation, multimodal analgesia,</p>
<p begin="00:12:46.430" end="00:12:48.960">all of these options, none<br />of them were as successful</p>
<p begin="00:12:48.960" end="00:12:50.970">as doing a nerve block at bedside</p>
<p begin="00:12:50.970" end="00:12:53.360">and completely blocking that pain.</p>
<p begin="00:12:53.360" end="00:12:56.450">Yes, they may still need some<br />opiates for breakthrough,</p>
<p begin="00:12:56.450" end="00:12:58.590">but it will be significantly less,</p>
<p begin="00:12:58.590" end="00:13:01.670">and the appropriate<br />management of geriatric pain</p>
<p begin="00:13:01.670" end="00:13:03.923">is so important to prevent delirium.</p>
<p begin="00:13:04.970" end="00:13:06.140">So let's talk a little bit about</p>
<p begin="00:13:06.140" end="00:13:07.660">how you do this nerve block.</p>
<p begin="00:13:07.660" end="00:13:10.130">So this is a wonderful<br />block to start off with</p>
<p begin="00:13:10.130" end="00:13:13.080">if you're new to ultrasound-guided<br />regional anesthesia,</p>
<p begin="00:13:13.080" end="00:13:15.140">because there's not<br />many contraindications,</p>
<p begin="00:13:15.140" end="00:13:17.170">there's not many side effects,</p>
<p begin="00:13:17.170" end="00:13:19.070">and it's pretty easy to find.</p>
<p begin="00:13:19.070" end="00:13:20.750">When you're using the ultrasound probe</p>
<p begin="00:13:20.750" end="00:13:24.680">you want to sit it right<br />within the inguinal crease</p>
<p begin="00:13:24.680" end="00:13:27.750">between the anterior superior iliac spine</p>
<p begin="00:13:27.750" end="00:13:30.640">and the pubic tubercle.</p>
<p begin="00:13:30.640" end="00:13:34.380">In this crease, when you place<br />the ultrasound probe down,</p>
<p begin="00:13:34.380" end="00:13:38.640">you should easily visualize<br />a pulsating femoral artery,</p>
<p begin="00:13:38.640" end="00:13:42.903">and that is your landmark to<br />have success with this block.</p>
<p begin="00:13:43.870" end="00:13:46.560">When we see our ultrasound screen,</p>
<p begin="00:13:46.560" end="00:13:50.460">you will see the femoral artery pulsating,</p>
<p begin="00:13:50.460" end="00:13:53.540">the femoral vein medial to it.</p>
<p begin="00:13:53.540" end="00:13:55.760">So now we know we're in the right spot.</p>
<p begin="00:13:55.760" end="00:13:58.130">Some little tricks to make sure</p>
<p begin="00:13:58.130" end="00:14:00.240">that you are where you need to be,</p>
<p begin="00:14:00.240" end="00:14:02.230">when starting off in the inguinal crease,</p>
<p begin="00:14:02.230" end="00:14:05.120">you can track a little<br />bit towards the feet,</p>
<p begin="00:14:05.120" end="00:14:07.760">a little bit caudad, and you'll start</p>
<p begin="00:14:07.760" end="00:14:10.190">to see the femoral artery split.</p>
<p begin="00:14:10.190" end="00:14:14.320">That is too low, too<br />inferior, you need to back up</p>
<p begin="00:14:14.320" end="00:14:18.010">and see the femoral artery as one vessel,</p>
<p begin="00:14:18.010" end="00:14:20.470">and again, pulsating femoral artery.</p>
<p begin="00:14:20.470" end="00:14:22.470">And then you'll see the collapsible vein,</p>
<p begin="00:14:22.470" end="00:14:23.420">when you apply pressure,</p>
<p begin="00:14:23.420" end="00:14:26.210">a collapsible femoral vein medial to that.</p>
<p begin="00:14:26.210" end="00:14:28.360">So once you have your femoral artery,</p>
<p begin="00:14:28.360" end="00:14:30.760">you've seen that it's split distally,</p>
<p begin="00:14:30.760" end="00:14:31.920">you come back up.</p>
<p begin="00:14:31.920" end="00:14:33.940">Then you want to look lateral.</p>
<p begin="00:14:33.940" end="00:14:38.550">And what you should see there<br />is a nice femoral nerve,</p>
<p begin="00:14:38.550" end="00:14:42.624">a wedge shaped, somewhat<br />honeycomb appearing</p>
<p begin="00:14:42.624" end="00:14:45.830">with some echoes bouncing around.</p>
<p begin="00:14:45.830" end="00:14:47.810">You'll see that is your femoral nerve.</p>
<p begin="00:14:47.810" end="00:14:49.113">And that is your target.</p>
<p begin="00:14:49.980" end="00:14:53.050">Holding your probe in an in-plane,</p>
<p begin="00:14:53.050" end="00:14:55.130">or preparing for an in-plane position,</p>
<p begin="00:14:55.130" end="00:14:56.590">you will take your needle,</p>
<p begin="00:14:56.590" end="00:14:59.030">pop through the top layers of the skin,</p>
<p begin="00:14:59.030" end="00:15:01.890">inject a little bit of local anesthetic</p>
<p begin="00:15:01.890" end="00:15:03.440">to form a wheal.</p>
<p begin="00:15:03.440" end="00:15:06.330">And then you want to<br />advance your needle slowly,</p>
<p begin="00:15:06.330" end="00:15:09.920">visualizing the needle tip at all times.</p>
<p begin="00:15:09.920" end="00:15:11.670">In the in-plane technique you will</p>
<p begin="00:15:11.670" end="00:15:13.990">see the full length of the needle,</p>
<p begin="00:15:13.990" end="00:15:16.050">so as to be sure you are not puncturing</p>
<p begin="00:15:16.050" end="00:15:18.640">or damaging any surrounding tissue.</p>
<p begin="00:15:18.640" end="00:15:22.850">When you do that you will be<br />aiming for the nerve laterally,</p>
<p begin="00:15:22.850" end="00:15:25.220">you are avoiding the artery which is next,</p>
<p begin="00:15:25.220" end="00:15:28.670">and then the vein that is<br />completely medial to that.</p>
<p begin="00:15:28.670" end="00:15:33.250">Your needle should be<br />aiming for the corner pocket</p>
<p begin="00:15:33.250" end="00:15:35.890">or just below that femoral nerve</p>
<p begin="00:15:35.890" end="00:15:39.770">with a goal of infiltrating<br />15 to 30 milliliters</p>
<p begin="00:15:39.770" end="00:15:44.770">of local anesthetic into<br />that area above the fascia.</p>
<p begin="00:15:44.800" end="00:15:48.340">When you do that you<br />will see black and echoic</p>
<p begin="00:15:48.340" end="00:15:52.200">local anesthetic distributing<br />below that nerve,</p>
<p begin="00:15:52.200" end="00:15:54.740">typically lifting that nerve up off</p>
<p begin="00:15:54.740" end="00:15:57.120">of the underlying structures below.</p>
<p begin="00:15:57.120" end="00:16:00.210">And the local anesthetic will<br />therefore bathe that nerve</p>
<p begin="00:16:00.210" end="00:16:03.113">and you should be able to<br />have a really nice block.</p>
<p begin="00:16:04.570" end="00:16:07.900">Local anesthetic of choice<br />is dependent on the patient</p>
<p begin="00:16:07.900" end="00:16:11.050">and how long you want<br />duration of analgesia.</p>
<p begin="00:16:11.050" end="00:16:12.660">But typically for hip fractures,</p>
<p begin="00:16:12.660" end="00:16:14.320">because these patients are operative</p>
<p begin="00:16:14.320" end="00:16:17.530">are certainly not getting up<br />and walking home anytime soon,</p>
<p begin="00:16:17.530" end="00:16:20.986">a long duration of analgesia is desired,</p>
<p begin="00:16:20.986" end="00:16:23.130">therefore you'd want to<br />reach for ropivacaine</p>
<p begin="00:16:23.130" end="00:16:24.110">or a bupivacaine.</p>
<p begin="00:16:24.110" end="00:16:26.000">Both have about the<br />same duration of action,</p>
<p begin="00:16:26.000" end="00:16:28.400">about 12 to 24 hours.</p>
<p begin="00:16:28.400" end="00:16:32.080">But bupivacaine tends to be a<br />little bit more cardiotoxic.</p>
<p begin="00:16:32.080" end="00:16:36.453">So practitioners often<br />reach for ropivacaine 0.5%.</p>
<p begin="00:16:38.930" end="00:16:42.220">When we are also thinking<br />about short-acting analgesia</p>
<p begin="00:16:42.220" end="00:16:47.080">where we only want one to two<br />hours of analgesia on board</p>
<p begin="00:16:47.080" end="00:16:48.610">you can use lidocaine.</p>
<p begin="00:16:48.610" end="00:16:52.820">Very important math to do<br />before your nerve block</p>
<p begin="00:16:52.820" end="00:16:56.640">is to calculate the toxic<br />level of local anesthetic</p>
<p begin="00:16:56.640" end="00:17:00.060">to make sure you are well<br />below the toxic level.</p>
<p begin="00:17:00.060" end="00:17:01.350">When we're using lidocaine</p>
<p begin="00:17:01.350" end="00:17:04.260">five milligrams per<br />kilogram is the cutoff,</p>
<p begin="00:17:04.260" end="00:17:06.380">when using bupivacaine or ropivacaine</p>
<p begin="00:17:06.380" end="00:17:07.910">you do not want to go above</p>
<p begin="00:17:07.910" end="00:17:11.110">three milligrams per<br />kilogram of local anesthetic.</p>
<p begin="00:17:11.110" end="00:17:13.860">And we typically do not use<br />epinephrine with our injections,</p>
<p begin="00:17:13.860" end="00:17:16.433">so you're going to be without epi.</p>
<p begin="00:17:17.800" end="00:17:20.655">So complications, dreaded complications</p>
<p begin="00:17:20.655" end="00:17:23.110">are compartment syndrome</p>
<p begin="00:17:23.110" end="00:17:25.430">and local anesthetic systemic toxicity.</p>
<p begin="00:17:25.430" end="00:17:28.370">So any block that you<br />perform you do run the risk</p>
<p begin="00:17:28.370" end="00:17:30.610">of local anesthetic systemic toxicity</p>
<p begin="00:17:30.610" end="00:17:32.770">because you are using a local anesthetic.</p>
<p begin="00:17:32.770" end="00:17:34.530">But compartment syndrome is specific,</p>
<p begin="00:17:34.530" end="00:17:36.515">typically for lower extremities,</p>
<p begin="00:17:36.515" end="00:17:39.840">typically more for<br />distal lower extremities</p>
<p begin="00:17:39.840" end="00:17:42.195">like tibia fractures.</p>
<p begin="00:17:42.195" end="00:17:43.820">But when you're dealing<br />with the hip fracture</p>
<p begin="00:17:43.820" end="00:17:44.750">you still, of course,</p>
<p begin="00:17:44.750" end="00:17:47.050">always want to worry about<br />compartment syndrome,</p>
<p begin="00:17:47.050" end="00:17:48.900">especially in the leg.</p>
<p begin="00:17:48.900" end="00:17:52.020">The literature on compartment<br />syndrome is pretty clear</p>
<p begin="00:17:52.020" end="00:17:56.820">that despite use of regional<br />anesthesia for pain management,</p>
<p begin="00:17:56.820" end="00:17:59.750">compartment syndrome still presents</p>
<p begin="00:17:59.750" end="00:18:03.660">with a severe acute change<br />in the character of pain</p>
<p begin="00:18:03.660" end="00:18:05.451">and is typically not missed</p>
<p begin="00:18:05.451" end="00:18:08.660">despite regional<br />anesthesia being performed.</p>
<p begin="00:18:08.660" end="00:18:11.530">So in one study that was evaluating</p>
<p begin="00:18:11.530" end="00:18:15.050">compartment syndrome detection<br />with regional anesthesia,</p>
<p begin="00:18:15.050" end="00:18:18.770">they found that 98% of patients<br />exhibited the classic signs</p>
<p begin="00:18:18.770" end="00:18:21.540">of, again, an acute change<br />in the character of pain,</p>
<p begin="00:18:21.540" end="00:18:22.760">intensity of the pain,</p>
<p begin="00:18:22.760" end="00:18:25.240">despite having a nerve block on board.</p>
<p begin="00:18:25.240" end="00:18:27.950">And there's a lot of military literature</p>
<p begin="00:18:27.950" end="00:18:30.700">about compartment syndrome<br />and regional anesthesia.</p>
<p begin="00:18:30.700" end="00:18:33.940">And again, they all favor the<br />use of regional anesthesia</p>
<p begin="00:18:33.940" end="00:18:36.340">for the management of extremity pain.</p>
<p begin="00:18:36.340" end="00:18:39.260">The most important thing when evaluating</p>
<p begin="00:18:39.260" end="00:18:42.547">for compartment syndrome is<br />being sure to have routine,</p>
<p begin="00:18:42.547" end="00:18:46.080">diligent neurovascular exams performed.</p>
<p begin="00:18:46.080" end="00:18:47.620">Regardless of whether or not there</p>
<p begin="00:18:47.620" end="00:18:49.070">is a nerve block on board,</p>
<p begin="00:18:49.070" end="00:18:50.810">anybody with a fracture needs</p>
<p begin="00:18:50.810" end="00:18:52.820">to have diligent neurovascular testing.</p>
<p begin="00:18:52.820" end="00:18:56.650">And this holds true whenever<br />regional anesthesia is employed</p>
<p begin="00:18:56.650" end="00:18:59.770">because you want to really<br />make sure you are checking</p>
<p begin="00:18:59.770" end="00:19:01.020">and evaluating for all</p>
<p begin="00:19:01.020" end="00:19:03.323">of the neurovascular components necessary.</p>
<p begin="00:19:04.670" end="00:19:07.260">Local anesthetic systemic toxicity, again,</p>
<p begin="00:19:07.260" end="00:19:10.340">is an entity that any<br />patient is at risk for</p>
<p begin="00:19:10.340" end="00:19:13.179">anytime you're administering<br />local anesthetic.</p>
<p begin="00:19:13.179" end="00:19:16.010">Local anesthetic systemic<br />toxicity depends on a few things.</p>
<p begin="00:19:16.010" end="00:19:19.150">It depends on the volume of<br />local anesthetic administered.</p>
<p begin="00:19:19.150" end="00:19:22.380">Depends on the concentration<br />and as well as the location.</p>
<p begin="00:19:22.380" end="00:19:24.030">Some locations throughout the body,</p>
<p begin="00:19:24.030" end="00:19:26.960">especially the neck area,<br />have more vascularity</p>
<p begin="00:19:26.960" end="00:19:28.860">and maybe at risk for increased</p>
<p begin="00:19:28.860" end="00:19:31.600">rapid uptake of local anesthetic.</p>
<p begin="00:19:31.600" end="00:19:33.250">So these are things to be considered,</p>
<p begin="00:19:33.250" end="00:19:36.520">and again, calculating your maximum dose</p>
<p begin="00:19:36.520" end="00:19:38.980">of local anesthetic<br />prior to administration</p>
<p begin="00:19:38.980" end="00:19:40.430">is very important.</p>
<p begin="00:19:40.430" end="00:19:44.280">LAST has a spectrum of presentations.</p>
<p begin="00:19:44.280" end="00:19:46.920">It can present in a mild form,</p>
<p begin="00:19:46.920" end="00:19:48.760">which you'll have some<br />ringing in the ears,</p>
<p begin="00:19:48.760" end="00:19:50.950">you might have a little<br />bit of paresthesia,</p>
<p begin="00:19:50.950" end="00:19:54.200">little bit of headache, or<br />sometimes visual disturbances.</p>
<p begin="00:19:54.200" end="00:19:57.460">And in the most severe form<br />you could potentially have</p>
<p begin="00:19:57.460" end="00:20:01.670">cardiopulmonary arrest or<br />cardiovascular collapse.</p>
<p begin="00:20:01.670" end="00:20:06.670">So this is partly why we place<br />patients on a cardiac monitor</p>
<p begin="00:20:06.810" end="00:20:09.550">and have intravenous access available.</p>
<p begin="00:20:09.550" end="00:20:14.550">If patients have any sign of severe LAST</p>
<p begin="00:20:14.940" end="00:20:17.683">you want to administer<br />antidote immediately.</p>
<p begin="00:20:19.000" end="00:20:20.253">So what is the treatment?</p>
<p begin="00:20:21.210" end="00:20:25.460">If it is in the mild-to-moderate<br />neurologic presentation.</p>
<p begin="00:20:25.460" end="00:20:27.870">Again, you may see some<br />ringing of the ears,</p>
<p begin="00:20:27.870" end="00:20:30.190">stroke-like symptoms, or seizure.</p>
<p begin="00:20:30.190" end="00:20:31.760">For the seizure component of it,</p>
<p begin="00:20:31.760" end="00:20:34.230">benzodiazepines are indicated just</p>
<p begin="00:20:34.230" end="00:20:37.580">as if you would give<br />for any other seizure.</p>
<p begin="00:20:37.580" end="00:20:39.940">However, when we are losing airway</p>
<p begin="00:20:39.940" end="00:20:42.610">or we are having issues with<br />cardiovascular compromise</p>
<p begin="00:20:42.610" end="00:20:46.008">we want to remember our<br />ABCs and of course ACLS.</p>
<p begin="00:20:46.008" end="00:20:49.120">If the patient is<br />significantly decompensating</p>
<p begin="00:20:49.120" end="00:20:51.200">and goes into a VFib,</p>
<p begin="00:20:51.200" end="00:20:53.770">this is a very high mortality situation,</p>
<p begin="00:20:53.770" end="00:20:56.400">you need to be aggressive and<br />you may even want to consider</p>
<p begin="00:20:56.400" end="00:20:59.300">cardiopulmonary bypass at this point.</p>
<p begin="00:20:59.300" end="00:21:03.510">If the patient does go into<br />cardiovascular collapse,</p>
<p begin="00:21:03.510" end="00:21:04.930">hypotension, VFib,</p>
<p begin="00:21:04.930" end="00:21:07.610">or you're noticing that we're<br />getting a thready pulse,</p>
<p begin="00:21:07.610" end="00:21:09.430">and the patient is going downhill.</p>
<p begin="00:21:09.430" end="00:21:12.020">You need to administer<br />intra-lipids immediately.</p>
<p begin="00:21:12.020" end="00:21:16.040">Intra-lipids are not for when<br />the patient is getting CPR.</p>
<p begin="00:21:16.040" end="00:21:18.260">Intra-lipids are to prevent CPR</p>
<p begin="00:21:18.260" end="00:21:21.260">because once the patient<br />does decompensate completely</p>
<p begin="00:21:21.260" end="00:21:22.970">the mortality is very high.</p>
<p begin="00:21:22.970" end="00:21:24.490">So any suspicion that we're going</p>
<p begin="00:21:24.490" end="00:21:26.550">in the wrong direction cardiovascularly</p>
<p begin="00:21:26.550" end="00:21:28.900">after local anesthetic administration</p>
<p begin="00:21:28.900" end="00:21:30.660">intra-lipids are indicated.</p>
<p begin="00:21:30.660" end="00:21:33.328">They should always be within reach,</p>
<p begin="00:21:33.328" end="00:21:35.630">whether it's in your Pyxis Department</p>
<p begin="00:21:35.630" end="00:21:38.310">or in your ultrasound-guided<br />regional anesthesia carts</p>
<p begin="00:21:38.310" end="00:21:40.300">and they need to make<br />sure, you need to make sure</p>
<p begin="00:21:40.300" end="00:21:41.680">that you check their availability</p>
<p begin="00:21:41.680" end="00:21:43.460">and also check the expiration date</p>
<p begin="00:21:43.460" end="00:21:46.300">prior to every block you perform.</p>
<p begin="00:21:46.300" end="00:21:49.480">The dosing is one milliliter per kilogram</p>
<p begin="00:21:49.480" end="00:21:51.850">of a 20% lipid emulsion.</p>
<p begin="00:21:51.850" end="00:21:55.990">You wanna give that in bolus<br />form every five minutes.</p>
<p begin="00:21:55.990" end="00:21:58.250">And the max dose of intra-lipids</p>
<p begin="00:21:58.250" end="00:22:01.150">will be three milliliters per kilogram.</p>
<p begin="00:22:01.150" end="00:22:05.550">You can also use an infusion after that</p>
<p begin="00:22:05.550" end="00:22:07.890">of a .25 milliliter per kilogram</p>
<p begin="00:22:07.890" end="00:22:10.520">per minute 20% lipid infusion.</p>
<p begin="00:22:10.520" end="00:22:13.370">So you want a bolus<br />immediately every give minutes,</p>
<p begin="00:22:13.370" end="00:22:14.950">titrate to stability.</p>
<p begin="00:22:14.950" end="00:22:17.520">But once you get to three<br />millimeters per kilogram</p>
<p begin="00:22:17.520" end="00:22:20.883">if you're still okay you wanna<br />start them on an infusion.</p>
<p begin="00:22:22.142" end="00:22:27.050">So, in summary, when we think<br />about geriatric hip fracture</p>
<p begin="00:22:27.050" end="00:22:31.570">we wanna think what can we give<br />that is quick and effective?</p>
<p begin="00:22:31.570" end="00:22:34.640">What do we want to do to treat the pain</p>
<p begin="00:22:34.640" end="00:22:37.560">but not flood geriatric<br />patients with opiates,</p>
<p begin="00:22:37.560" end="00:22:41.160">not oversedate, not lead to poor outcomes,</p>
<p begin="00:22:41.160" end="00:22:43.930">but really, truly treat their pain.</p>
<p begin="00:22:43.930" end="00:22:46.760">What do we want to think<br />about in terms of delirium?</p>
<p begin="00:22:46.760" end="00:22:50.610">We want to remember that<br />yes, opiates can contribute</p>
<p begin="00:22:50.610" end="00:22:54.634">to delirium but in fact<br />undertreatment of pain can as well.</p>
<p begin="00:22:54.634" end="00:22:56.680">And we want to try to give</p>
<p begin="00:22:56.680" end="00:22:58.650">good care to our senior population.</p>
<p begin="00:22:58.650" end="00:23:01.100">All of these are reasons to entertain</p>
<p begin="00:23:01.100" end="00:23:03.330">ultrasound-guided regional anesthesia</p>
<p begin="00:23:03.330" end="00:23:05.160">for your hip fracture patients.</p>
<p begin="00:23:05.160" end="00:23:08.450">Again, you want to place that<br />probe in the inguinal crease,</p>
<p begin="00:23:08.450" end="00:23:11.893">see the pulsating femoral<br />artery, and go lateral to that.</p>
<p begin="00:23:11.893" end="00:23:15.000">It is a relatively easy superficial block.</p>
<p begin="00:23:15.000" end="00:23:17.150">Calculate your local anesthetic,</p>
<p begin="00:23:17.150" end="00:23:18.800">make sure the patient is on a monitor,</p>
<p begin="00:23:18.800" end="00:23:22.810">and watch as you see immediate relief</p>
<p begin="00:23:22.810" end="00:23:25.060">of that severe terrible hip pain,</p>
<p begin="00:23:25.060" end="00:23:27.940">and you'll probably get<br />yourself a hug afterwards.</p>
<p begin="00:23:27.940" end="00:23:30.820">So thank you so much, I<br />appreciate all of your time</p>
<p begin="00:23:30.820" end="00:23:33.249">and the opportunity to<br />speak to you about this.</p>
<p begin="00:23:33.249" end="00:23:35.400">And hopefully we'll get to talk more.</p>
<p begin="00:23:35.400" end="00:23:36.233">Thanks.</p>
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<p begin="00:00:13.131" end="00:00:14.164" style="s2">- [Instructor] Alright<br />thanks for joining us.</p>
<p begin="00:00:14.164" end="00:00:17.361" style="s2">Let me give you a little bit<br />of background about myself.</p>
<p begin="00:00:17.361" end="00:00:20.000" style="s2">I am a Hospitalist in my clinical time,</p>
<p begin="00:00:20.000" end="00:00:22.341" style="s2">and practice at Abbott<br />Northwestern Hospital</p>
<p begin="00:00:22.341" end="00:00:23.828" style="s2">in Minneapolis, Minnesota.</p>
<p begin="00:00:23.828" end="00:00:26.256" style="s2">It's about a 650 bed<br />quaternary care center.</p>
<p begin="00:00:26.256" end="00:00:27.749" style="s2">A teaching hospital with a</p>
<p begin="00:00:27.749" end="00:00:30.255" style="s2">internal medicine residency here.</p>
<p begin="00:00:30.255" end="00:00:33.262" style="s2">My ultrasound background<br />started kinda 2004,</p>
<p begin="00:00:33.262" end="00:00:36.606" style="s2">2005 when we had a small little</p>
<p begin="00:00:36.606" end="00:00:39.145" style="s2">machine that I started rounding with,</p>
<p begin="00:00:39.145" end="00:00:41.386" style="s2">and experimenting with.</p>
<p begin="00:00:41.386" end="00:00:42.835" style="s2">And then in 2006 I started</p>
<p begin="00:00:42.835" end="00:00:45.397" style="s2">the internal medicine<br />bedside procedure team,</p>
<p begin="00:00:45.397" end="00:00:48.446" style="s2">which is a team that does<br />about 500 procedures a year,</p>
<p begin="00:00:48.446" end="00:00:51.613" style="s2">and is a completely ultrasound based team</p>
<p begin="00:00:51.613" end="00:00:53.498" style="s2">training team with internal medicine</p>
<p begin="00:00:53.498" end="00:00:56.517" style="s2">residents and run by Hospitalists.</p>
<p begin="00:00:56.517" end="00:00:58.659" style="s2">About a year later started the</p>
<p begin="00:00:58.659" end="00:01:00.620" style="s2">Clinical Simulation Center here,</p>
<p begin="00:01:00.620" end="00:01:02.996" style="s2">which is a simulation center that's</p>
<p begin="00:01:02.996" end="00:01:06.021" style="s2">ultrasound real and involves<br />procedural simulation,</p>
<p begin="00:01:06.021" end="00:01:10.178" style="s2">as well as ACLS resuscitation simulation,</p>
<p begin="00:01:10.178" end="00:01:13.785" style="s2">team-based training with<br />ultrasound involved.</p>
<p begin="00:01:13.785" end="00:01:15.844" style="s2">And then the ultrasound curriculum really</p>
<p begin="00:01:15.844" end="00:01:20.103" style="s2">formalized here in 2011<br />with the IMBUS program,</p>
<p begin="00:01:20.103" end="00:01:23.309" style="s2">which is the Internal Medicine<br />Bedside UltraSound program</p>
<p begin="00:01:23.309" end="00:01:27.334" style="s2">within the residency program here that has</p>
<p begin="00:01:27.334" end="00:01:30.584" style="s2">trained 70 or 75 physicians since 2011,</p>
<p begin="00:01:31.900" end="00:01:35.683" style="s2">and ED docs and ICU docs, and<br />internal medicine residents,</p>
<p begin="00:01:35.683" end="00:01:38.599" style="s2">and Nurse Practitioners,<br />and family practice docs</p>
<p begin="00:01:38.599" end="00:01:43.040" style="s2">so a wide range of people<br />we've trained since 2011</p>
<p begin="00:01:43.040" end="00:01:45.032" style="s2">in that program.</p>
<p begin="00:01:45.032" end="00:01:47.615" style="s2">So that's the background on me.</p>
<p begin="00:01:48.977" end="00:01:52.605" style="s2">The goal of this talk<br />is to take this image</p>
<p begin="00:01:52.605" end="00:01:55.259" style="s2">where ultrasound has been a huge part</p>
<p begin="00:01:55.259" end="00:01:56.829" style="s2">of emergency medicine now,</p>
<p begin="00:01:56.829" end="00:01:59.197" style="s2">and has become standard<br />of care in that area</p>
<p begin="00:01:59.197" end="00:02:01.491" style="s2">as a huge part of critical care,</p>
<p begin="00:02:01.491" end="00:02:03.243" style="s2">intensive care medicine.</p>
<p begin="00:02:03.243" end="00:02:05.741" style="s2">A huge part of anesthesia,</p>
<p begin="00:02:05.741" end="00:02:07.903" style="s2">and a big part of rheumatology,</p>
<p begin="00:02:07.903" end="00:02:11.218" style="s2">and physical medicine, and<br />lots, and lots of other areas.</p>
<p begin="00:02:11.218" end="00:02:12.768" style="s2">Different specialties as well as</p>
<p begin="00:02:12.768" end="00:02:15.687" style="s2">sub-specialties amongst internal medicine.</p>
<p begin="00:02:15.687" end="00:02:18.187" style="s2">So the goal of this talk<br />is to really hone on</p>
<p begin="00:02:19.217" end="00:02:21.812" style="s2">why this is an important piece,</p>
<p begin="00:02:21.812" end="00:02:24.336" style="s2">and why it has a huge value for</p>
<p begin="00:02:24.336" end="00:02:27.031" style="s2">internal medicine physicians,<br />and especially Hospitalists.</p>
<p begin="00:02:27.031" end="00:02:30.691" style="s2">And that value has lots,<br />and lots of different areas</p>
<p begin="00:02:30.691" end="00:02:34.262" style="s2">that it covers, if nothing<br />else, because medical students</p>
<p begin="00:02:34.262" end="00:02:37.972" style="s2">and residents are being trained<br />in point of care ultrasound,</p>
<p begin="00:02:37.972" end="00:02:40.055" style="s2">and as Hospitalists and attendants,</p>
<p begin="00:02:40.055" end="00:02:44.130" style="s2">and people who are working<br />with these new graduates as</p>
<p begin="00:02:44.130" end="00:02:47.816" style="s2">your partners if nothing else to be aware,</p>
<p begin="00:02:47.816" end="00:02:51.874" style="s2">and to know of what<br />the new modalities are.</p>
<p begin="00:02:51.874" end="00:02:54.970" style="s2">Because those around you, and<br />those who you are training</p>
<p begin="00:02:54.970" end="00:02:57.865" style="s2">are becoming trained in it.</p>
<p begin="00:02:57.865" end="00:03:00.279" style="s2">But also has huge impacts on patient care,</p>
<p begin="00:03:00.279" end="00:03:02.925" style="s2">patient safety, physician satisfaction,</p>
<p begin="00:03:02.925" end="00:03:06.342" style="s2">patient satisfaction, efficiency<br />of care, cost reduction,</p>
<p begin="00:03:08.145" end="00:03:10.978" style="s2">radiation based imaging<br />reduction potential</p>
<p begin="00:03:10.978" end="00:03:12.444" style="s2">so all of those areas.</p>
<p begin="00:03:12.444" end="00:03:14.627" style="s2">I'm gonna try to demonstrate<br />for you really what's the</p>
<p begin="00:03:14.627" end="00:03:16.943" style="s2">high yield areas of point of</p>
<p begin="00:03:16.943" end="00:03:20.092" style="s2">care ultrasound for the Hospitalists.</p>
<p begin="00:03:20.092" end="00:03:22.566" style="s2">Lemme take one little starting point here</p>
<p begin="00:03:22.566" end="00:03:24.737" style="s2">just to kinda get<br />everyone on the same page</p>
<p begin="00:03:24.737" end="00:03:26.013" style="s2">from various backgrounds,</p>
<p begin="00:03:26.013" end="00:03:28.352" style="s2">and experiences with ultrasound here.</p>
<p begin="00:03:28.352" end="00:03:30.414" style="s2">And let's lay out the picture of what</p>
<p begin="00:03:30.414" end="00:03:32.360" style="s2">Hospitalist point of care ultrasound is.</p>
<p begin="00:03:32.360" end="00:03:35.163" style="s2">It is you at the bedside as a Hospitalist</p>
<p begin="00:03:35.163" end="00:03:38.712" style="s2">who knows a lot about the<br />patient in front of you.</p>
<p begin="00:03:38.712" end="00:03:40.438" style="s2">You know about their past medical history.</p>
<p begin="00:03:40.438" end="00:03:43.260" style="s2">You know about what their<br />labs have come back as.</p>
<p begin="00:03:43.260" end="00:03:46.180" style="s2">You know about what<br />their heart sounded like</p>
<p begin="00:03:46.180" end="00:03:48.655" style="s2">when you listened with your stethoscope.</p>
<p begin="00:03:48.655" end="00:03:50.645" style="s2">You know about what<br />medications they're on,</p>
<p begin="00:03:50.645" end="00:03:52.772" style="s2">what interventions<br />they've had this morning.</p>
<p begin="00:03:52.772" end="00:03:54.247" style="s2">So you know a whole lot of information</p>
<p begin="00:03:54.247" end="00:03:56.952" style="s2">about your patient which<br />is really, really key</p>
<p begin="00:03:56.952" end="00:03:58.234" style="s2">to point of care ultrasound,</p>
<p begin="00:03:58.234" end="00:04:00.578" style="s2">and one of the big differences</p>
<p begin="00:04:00.578" end="00:04:04.745" style="s2">that helps this be different<br />from formal ultrasound.</p>
<p begin="00:04:04.745" end="00:04:08.512" style="s2">So, in that situation, you<br />ask a focused question,</p>
<p begin="00:04:08.512" end="00:04:10.633" style="s2">and you're gonna use the ultrasound to</p>
<p begin="00:04:10.633" end="00:04:13.204" style="s2">try to answer that focused question.</p>
<p begin="00:04:13.204" end="00:04:15.639" style="s2">First of all you have to<br />technically obtain an image</p>
<p begin="00:04:15.639" end="00:04:18.637" style="s2">so there is a technical skill<br />that goes along with this.</p>
<p begin="00:04:18.637" end="00:04:19.715" style="s2">And then there's enough experience</p>
<p begin="00:04:19.715" end="00:04:21.307" style="s2">that you know whether or not that image</p>
<p begin="00:04:21.307" end="00:04:24.212" style="s2">is adequate to answer the<br />question that you're asking,</p>
<p begin="00:04:24.212" end="00:04:27.885" style="s2">or whether it's an inadequate image.</p>
<p begin="00:04:27.885" end="00:04:30.592" style="s2">If the image is adequate you interpret it,</p>
<p begin="00:04:30.592" end="00:04:33.241" style="s2">in real time, at the bedside there.</p>
<p begin="00:04:33.241" end="00:04:35.966" style="s2">And the key, and one of the<br />most important pieces about</p>
<p begin="00:04:35.966" end="00:04:39.832" style="s2">point of care, competency,<br />is that you are able then</p>
<p begin="00:04:39.832" end="00:04:41.472" style="s2">to take that piece of information,</p>
<p begin="00:04:41.472" end="00:04:43.948" style="s2">and integrate it with the<br />rest of the clinical picture.</p>
<p begin="00:04:43.948" end="00:04:45.862" style="s2">It is one more piece of information</p>
<p begin="00:04:45.862" end="00:04:46.845" style="s2">to go along with the labs,</p>
<p begin="00:04:46.845" end="00:04:48.850" style="s2">to go along with the physical exam</p>
<p begin="00:04:48.850" end="00:04:51.172" style="s2">to go along with the history,</p>
<p begin="00:04:51.172" end="00:04:53.363" style="s2">to go along with all of those pieces.</p>
<p begin="00:04:53.363" end="00:04:56.894" style="s2">So integrating in the<br />point of care ultrasound</p>
<p begin="00:04:56.894" end="00:05:00.407" style="s2">interpretation is<br />really, really important.</p>
<p begin="00:05:00.407" end="00:05:02.415" style="s2">The key is that you're doing<br />it in real time though.</p>
<p begin="00:05:02.415" end="00:05:04.698" style="s2">It's not separated in time and space</p>
<p begin="00:05:04.698" end="00:05:07.281" style="s2">from the time you're asking the question.</p>
<p begin="00:05:07.281" end="00:05:09.179" style="s2">It is done in real time,</p>
<p begin="00:05:09.179" end="00:05:11.583" style="s2">and you're able to get<br />an answer in real time.</p>
<p begin="00:05:11.583" end="00:05:13.489" style="s2">What that allows you to do then is to say,</p>
<p begin="00:05:13.489" end="00:05:15.168" style="s2">"My differential when I started this</p>
<p begin="00:05:15.168" end="00:05:16.982" style="s2">"and when I asked a question was this.</p>
<p begin="00:05:16.982" end="00:05:20.100" style="s2">"However what I just found on ultrasound</p>
<p begin="00:05:20.100" end="00:05:21.556" style="s2">"changes my differential so let me</p>
<p begin="00:05:21.556" end="00:05:23.419" style="s2">"ask a different question here,</p>
<p begin="00:05:23.419" end="00:05:25.258" style="s2">"and let me get a different image.".</p>
<p begin="00:05:25.258" end="00:05:26.883" style="s2">Maybe I go from the heart down to</p>
<p begin="00:05:26.883" end="00:05:28.025" style="s2">the right upper quadrant now</p>
<p begin="00:05:28.025" end="00:05:29.669" style="s2">based on what I saw.</p>
<p begin="00:05:29.669" end="00:05:31.936" style="s2">Something you can't do with the echo tech</p>
<p begin="00:05:31.936" end="00:05:33.967" style="s2">at bedside doing a formal echo,</p>
<p begin="00:05:33.967" end="00:05:36.952" style="s2">or with the ultrasound tech at the bedside</p>
<p begin="00:05:36.952" end="00:05:38.352" style="s2">you can't ask them to.</p>
<p begin="00:05:38.352" end="00:05:39.742" style="s2">Alright let's change this.</p>
<p begin="00:05:39.742" end="00:05:43.075" style="s2">Let's go to a different ultrasound here.</p>
<p begin="00:05:44.508" end="00:05:47.102" style="s2">Finally you put together<br />your differential,</p>
<p begin="00:05:47.102" end="00:05:49.476" style="s2">and you treat, or you intervene.</p>
<p begin="00:05:49.476" end="00:05:51.850" style="s2">You give fluids for<br />that hypotensive patient</p>
<p begin="00:05:51.850" end="00:05:53.780" style="s2">with the flat inferior vena cava.</p>
<p begin="00:05:53.780" end="00:05:55.648" style="s2">And then because this is with you,</p>
<p begin="00:05:55.648" end="00:05:57.179" style="s2">and because you are the one performing,</p>
<p begin="00:05:57.179" end="00:05:59.061" style="s2">interpreting, and integrating<br />you can come back,</p>
<p begin="00:05:59.061" end="00:06:00.362" style="s2">and check again in an hour</p>
<p begin="00:06:00.362" end="00:06:03.018" style="s2">after you give a fluid bolus<br />to see what's happened to</p>
<p begin="00:06:03.018" end="00:06:05.087" style="s2">that patient, and that'll<br />develop some b-lines.</p>
<p begin="00:06:05.087" end="00:06:07.358" style="s2">Or are they still hyperdynamic,</p>
<p begin="00:06:07.358" end="00:06:09.047" style="s2">and have a flat IVC?</p>
<p begin="00:06:09.047" end="00:06:11.890" style="s2">So this is a tool that isn't<br />a one time come and go.</p>
<p begin="00:06:11.890" end="00:06:14.283" style="s2">It is with you, and<br />allows you to come back,</p>
<p begin="00:06:14.283" end="00:06:16.116" style="s2">and check, and adjust.</p>
<p begin="00:06:17.499" end="00:06:19.178" style="s2">So that sounds very much like</p>
<p begin="00:06:19.178" end="00:06:21.175" style="s2">your physical exam as an internist.</p>
<p begin="00:06:21.175" end="00:06:23.843" style="s2">Sort of our bread and butter<br />here the physical exam.</p>
<p begin="00:06:23.843" end="00:06:27.881" style="s2">And it looks very much like<br />our physical exam as well</p>
<p begin="00:06:27.881" end="00:06:29.888" style="s2">from a zoomed out view here.</p>
<p begin="00:06:29.888" end="00:06:31.690" style="s2">Point of care ultrasound in the middle</p>
<p begin="00:06:31.690" end="00:06:34.015" style="s2">is a tool that is with you</p>
<p begin="00:06:34.015" end="00:06:36.343" style="s2">from asking the question</p>
<p begin="00:06:36.343" end="00:06:37.954" style="s2">you're gonna answer it</p>
<p begin="00:06:37.954" end="00:06:40.726" style="s2">with what tests you acquire<br />the images yourself,</p>
<p begin="00:06:40.726" end="00:06:42.846" style="s2">you interpret 'em, and you act on 'em,</p>
<p begin="00:06:42.846" end="00:06:45.517" style="s2">and that is very much<br />like our physical exam.</p>
<p begin="00:06:45.517" end="00:06:48.343" style="s2">What it's different from<br />is referral ultrasound,</p>
<p begin="00:06:48.343" end="00:06:50.892" style="s2">and both of these modalities are key,</p>
<p begin="00:06:50.892" end="00:06:53.338" style="s2">and essential to taking high quality care</p>
<p begin="00:06:53.338" end="00:06:55.733" style="s2">of patients in a hospital setting.</p>
<p begin="00:06:55.733" end="00:06:57.514" style="s2">However they differ from each other,</p>
<p begin="00:06:57.514" end="00:06:59.175" style="s2">and they both have different roles.</p>
<p begin="00:06:59.175" end="00:07:02.034" style="s2">The key difference in this diagram</p>
<p begin="00:07:02.034" end="00:07:05.207" style="s2">that's pointed out<br />nicely by Dr.Sonia Lucas,</p>
<p begin="00:07:05.207" end="00:07:08.223" style="s2">is that referral ultrasound<br />starts with the person at the</p>
<p begin="00:07:08.223" end="00:07:11.199" style="s2">bedside who knows the patient<br />who asks the question,</p>
<p begin="00:07:11.199" end="00:07:13.668" style="s2">and decides alright which<br />imaging test am I going to</p>
<p begin="00:07:13.668" end="00:07:16.668" style="s2">select to try to answer my question?</p>
<p begin="00:07:18.077" end="00:07:20.337" style="s2">The person who comes to the bedside to</p>
<p begin="00:07:20.337" end="00:07:23.720" style="s2">obtain the images is not the<br />person who knows the patient.</p>
<p begin="00:07:23.720" end="00:07:26.193" style="s2">It is an ultrasound tech, or an echo tech,</p>
<p begin="00:07:26.193" end="00:07:28.680" style="s2">who gathers images, and puts together a</p>
<p begin="00:07:28.680" end="00:07:30.917" style="s2">package deciding which images</p>
<p begin="00:07:30.917" end="00:07:33.553" style="s2">to send to either the radiologist,</p>
<p begin="00:07:33.553" end="00:07:35.408" style="s2">or the cardiologist who then is</p>
<p begin="00:07:35.408" end="00:07:37.579" style="s2">going to interpret the image.</p>
<p begin="00:07:37.579" end="00:07:40.631" style="s2">And then that person who<br />kind of knows the patient,</p>
<p begin="00:07:40.631" end="00:07:42.312" style="s2">probably a little bit of history,</p>
<p begin="00:07:42.312" end="00:07:44.209" style="s2">but not nearly the depth you do,</p>
<p begin="00:07:44.209" end="00:07:45.915" style="s2">or maybe doesn't know the patient at all,</p>
<p begin="00:07:45.915" end="00:07:47.912" style="s2">is gonna interpret the images</p>
<p begin="00:07:47.912" end="00:07:52.014" style="s2">that the person who<br />obtained them gave to them,</p>
<p begin="00:07:52.014" end="00:07:54.301" style="s2">and put together an interpretation,</p>
<p begin="00:07:54.301" end="00:07:56.531" style="s2">and send it back to you.</p>
<p begin="00:07:56.531" end="00:07:58.407" style="s2">So separated in space and time</p>
<p begin="00:07:58.407" end="00:08:00.868" style="s2">from when you asked the<br />question originally,</p>
<p begin="00:08:00.868" end="00:08:03.178" style="s2">and you are going to<br />take that interpretation,</p>
<p begin="00:08:03.178" end="00:08:04.345" style="s2">and act on it.</p>
<p begin="00:08:05.341" end="00:08:08.290" style="s2">So lemme give you a couple<br />little case examples here.</p>
<p begin="00:08:08.290" end="00:08:10.598" style="s2">They are meant to just<br />demonstrate the difference</p>
<p begin="00:08:10.598" end="00:08:13.551" style="s2">between the continuity that exists here,</p>
<p begin="00:08:13.551" end="00:08:16.829" style="s2">and the fragmentation that exists here.</p>
<p begin="00:08:16.829" end="00:08:18.563" style="s2">They both have benefits.</p>
<p begin="00:08:18.563" end="00:08:20.652" style="s2">You've got experts at each level here,</p>
<p begin="00:08:20.652" end="00:08:22.823" style="s2">but the fragmentation<br />sometimes gets in the way</p>
<p begin="00:08:22.823" end="00:08:24.831" style="s2">of what we're trying to accomplish,</p>
<p begin="00:08:24.831" end="00:08:26.739" style="s2">so I'll show you two<br />quick little cases here.</p>
<p begin="00:08:26.739" end="00:08:28.254" style="s2">The first one is a 32 year old lady</p>
<p begin="00:08:28.254" end="00:08:31.364" style="s2">who had a gallbladder taken<br />out about six days ago.</p>
<p begin="00:08:31.364" end="00:08:33.384" style="s2">She had her gallbladder taken out</p>
<p begin="00:08:33.384" end="00:08:35.452" style="s2">because of pretty classic<br />right upper quadrant pain</p>
<p begin="00:08:35.452" end="00:08:39.147" style="s2">for her gallbladder,<br />and the pathology on the</p>
<p begin="00:08:39.147" end="00:08:42.793" style="s2">gallbladder showed a<br />edematous gallbladder with</p>
<p begin="00:08:42.793" end="00:08:47.107" style="s2">no stones in it, and<br />she's six days postop,</p>
<p begin="00:08:47.107" end="00:08:50.357" style="s2">and has increasing shortness of breath,</p>
<p begin="00:08:52.115" end="00:08:54.323" style="s2">and the shortness of breath was there</p>
<p begin="00:08:54.323" end="00:08:55.867" style="s2">a little bit before surgery.</p>
<p begin="00:08:55.867" end="00:08:57.559" style="s2">She hadn't been eating<br />much at all before surgery,</p>
<p begin="00:08:57.559" end="00:08:59.233" style="s2">and hasn't been eating much since,</p>
<p begin="00:08:59.233" end="00:09:01.528" style="s2">and the shortness of breath is increasing.</p>
<p begin="00:09:01.528" end="00:09:04.560" style="s2">On exam she's in sinus tach, going 120.</p>
<p begin="00:09:04.560" end="00:09:06.140" style="s2">A little bit more hypotensive</p>
<p begin="00:09:06.140" end="00:09:08.361" style="s2">than she had been pre-operatively.</p>
<p begin="00:09:08.361" end="00:09:10.946" style="s2">Sats were fine and, on exam,</p>
<p begin="00:09:10.946" end="00:09:14.421" style="s2">her lungs were decreased,<br />especially on the right,</p>
<p begin="00:09:14.421" end="00:09:16.814" style="s2">and heart sounds were distant.</p>
<p begin="00:09:16.814" end="00:09:19.531" style="s2">Couldn't see her jugular venous pressure.</p>
<p begin="00:09:19.531" end="00:09:21.705" style="s2">She was bigger lady.</p>
<p begin="00:09:21.705" end="00:09:23.243" style="s2">And had a little bit of edema,</p>
<p begin="00:09:23.243" end="00:09:27.312" style="s2">both lower extremities<br />up to about the mid shin.</p>
<p begin="00:09:27.312" end="00:09:30.177" style="s2">Her belly was unremarkable.</p>
<p begin="00:09:30.177" end="00:09:35.109" style="s2">Here's her EKG which is sinus<br />tach at first glance there.</p>
<p begin="00:09:35.109" end="00:09:37.942" style="s2">A little bit of low voltage maybe,</p>
<p begin="00:09:40.596" end="00:09:42.382" style="s2">and we'll go onto the next slide,</p>
<p begin="00:09:42.382" end="00:09:45.283" style="s2">and we'll come back to this.</p>
<p begin="00:09:45.283" end="00:09:47.230" style="s2">So put a probe on her chest,</p>
<p begin="00:09:47.230" end="00:09:48.886" style="s2">and here's what you<br />see in this 32 year old</p>
<p begin="00:09:48.886" end="00:09:52.053" style="s2">who's post-op day 6 from a lab collie.</p>
<p begin="00:09:52.991" end="00:09:55.408" style="s2">She has a significant, large,</p>
<p begin="00:09:56.609" end="00:09:59.844" style="s2">Pericardial circumferential<br />effusion here in the</p>
<p begin="00:09:59.844" end="00:10:01.555" style="s2">parasternal long axis with a</p>
<p begin="00:10:01.555" end="00:10:04.847" style="s2">hyperdynamic underfilled left ventricle,</p>
<p begin="00:10:04.847" end="00:10:09.511" style="s2">and with a collapsing right<br />ventricular outflow tract in</p>
<p begin="00:10:09.511" end="00:10:11.625" style="s2">the long axis during diastole.</p>
<p begin="00:10:11.625" end="00:10:15.675" style="s2">Here she is in the short axis,<br />she's got a swimming heart,</p>
<p begin="00:10:15.675" end="00:10:18.122" style="s2">with that same hyperdynamic<br />left ventricle,</p>
<p begin="00:10:18.122" end="00:10:21.501" style="s2">and her right ventricle<br />is nicely collapsed here,</p>
<p begin="00:10:21.501" end="00:10:22.780" style="s2">as you can see.</p>
<p begin="00:10:22.780" end="00:10:24.402" style="s2">It looks like little<br />monkeys jumping on top of</p>
<p begin="00:10:24.402" end="00:10:26.303" style="s2">that right ventricle.</p>
<p begin="00:10:26.303" end="00:10:28.374" style="s2">So this is tamponade, and in retrospect,</p>
<p begin="00:10:28.374" end="00:10:31.474" style="s2">the other piece on her<br />EKG that you see in the</p>
<p begin="00:10:31.474" end="00:10:35.835" style="s2">background here, is that<br />she's got alternans,</p>
<p begin="00:10:35.835" end="00:10:38.585" style="s2">as we move through her EKG there.</p>
<p begin="00:10:40.576" end="00:10:42.239" style="s2">As well as the lo voltage,</p>
<p begin="00:10:42.239" end="00:10:45.822" style="s2">that was a little more<br />apparent, initially.</p>
<p begin="00:10:46.912" end="00:10:50.567" style="s2">So she had a pulsus of 30, and<br />had a pericardiocentesis with</p>
<p begin="00:10:50.567" end="00:10:52.887" style="s2">800 of bloody fluid removed.</p>
<p begin="00:10:52.887" end="00:10:54.654" style="s2">Everything from a workup standpoint was</p>
<p begin="00:10:54.654" end="00:10:56.571" style="s2">negative on that fluid.</p>
<p begin="00:10:58.231" end="00:11:00.300" style="s2">So the internist goes back a little bit,</p>
<p begin="00:11:00.300" end="00:11:04.123" style="s2">just out of curiosity, and<br />looks at the surgeon's HNP,</p>
<p begin="00:11:04.123" end="00:11:07.597" style="s2">where she has some hypertension,</p>
<p begin="00:11:07.597" end="00:11:10.255" style="s2">she's tachycardic at that<br />time, preoperatively.</p>
<p begin="00:11:10.255" end="00:11:13.447" style="s2">And not much else on the exam there.</p>
<p begin="00:11:13.447" end="00:11:17.166" style="s2">She was mildly tender up<br />in right upper quadrant.</p>
<p begin="00:11:17.166" end="00:11:20.331" style="s2">She then had a formal right<br />upper quadrant ultrasound done,</p>
<p begin="00:11:20.331" end="00:11:23.700" style="s2">preoperatively after the surgeon saw her,</p>
<p begin="00:11:23.700" end="00:11:26.920" style="s2">and preop formal, right upper quadrant,</p>
<p begin="00:11:26.920" end="00:11:31.087" style="s2">done in radiology showed a<br />thickened gallbladder wall,</p>
<p begin="00:11:32.249" end="00:11:34.626" style="s2">a little bit of pericholecystic fluid,</p>
<p begin="00:11:34.626" end="00:11:36.316" style="s2">no Murphy's sign.</p>
<p begin="00:11:36.316" end="00:11:38.404" style="s2">She had a normal bile duct,</p>
<p begin="00:11:38.404" end="00:11:41.428" style="s2">and she had a small<br />right pleural effusion.</p>
<p begin="00:11:41.428" end="00:11:44.388" style="s2">The comment about the<br />inferior vena cava is</p>
<p begin="00:11:44.388" end="00:11:46.121" style="s2">that it was patent.</p>
<p begin="00:11:46.121" end="00:11:49.680" style="s2">So look at the images from<br />the formal radiology study.</p>
<p begin="00:11:49.680" end="00:11:51.963" style="s2">Not from the bedside, point of care exam,</p>
<p begin="00:11:51.963" end="00:11:54.255" style="s2">but from the formal radiology study.</p>
<p begin="00:11:54.255" end="00:11:56.707" style="s2">And certainly, the gallbladder<br />wall is edematous and</p>
<p begin="00:11:56.707" end="00:11:59.322" style="s2">there's a tiny bit of<br />pericholecystic fluid.</p>
<p begin="00:11:59.322" end="00:12:01.424" style="s2">But look at this as an internists,</p>
<p begin="00:12:01.424" end="00:12:03.205" style="s2">not as the radiologist who is asked to</p>
<p begin="00:12:03.205" end="00:12:06.036" style="s2">evaluate the gallbladder<br />for cholecystitis.</p>
<p begin="00:12:06.036" end="00:12:09.777" style="s2">And in this image you see<br />an inferior vena cava,</p>
<p begin="00:12:09.777" end="00:12:13.467" style="s2">that the formal radiology<br />report comment says patent,</p>
<p begin="00:12:13.467" end="00:12:14.924" style="s2">which it truly is.</p>
<p begin="00:12:14.924" end="00:12:16.922" style="s2">But the piece that pick up on here,</p>
<p begin="00:12:16.922" end="00:12:19.054" style="s2">in this inferior vena cava is that this is</p>
<p begin="00:12:19.054" end="00:12:21.294" style="s2">a three centimeter inferior vena cava,</p>
<p begin="00:12:21.294" end="00:12:25.461" style="s2">in a relatively small<br />statured lady, somewhat obese,</p>
<p begin="00:12:26.440" end="00:12:28.437" style="s2">but a small statured lady.</p>
<p begin="00:12:28.437" end="00:12:32.146" style="s2">So a three centimeter IVC<br />with dilated hepatic veins,</p>
<p begin="00:12:32.146" end="00:12:36.313" style="s2">and a right pleural effusion<br />on this formal ultrasound.</p>
<p begin="00:12:38.765" end="00:12:43.742" style="s2">So the combination of those<br />things, I am 99% sure,</p>
<p begin="00:12:43.742" end="00:12:46.636" style="s2">with her sinus tack and her<br />shortness of breath before</p>
<p begin="00:12:46.636" end="00:12:51.089" style="s2">getting her gallbladder out,<br />that she had early tamponade,</p>
<p begin="00:12:51.089" end="00:12:52.974" style="s2">early elevated pressures on the</p>
<p begin="00:12:52.974" end="00:12:55.074" style="s2">right side causing gallbladder edema that</p>
<p begin="00:12:55.074" end="00:12:58.987" style="s2">led to her getting her gallbladder out.</p>
<p begin="00:12:58.987" end="00:13:01.439" style="s2">And what could be different here?</p>
<p begin="00:13:01.439" end="00:13:03.681" style="s2">It looks like cholecystitis,</p>
<p begin="00:13:03.681" end="00:13:05.571" style="s2">she's got right upper quadrant pain,</p>
<p begin="00:13:05.571" end="00:13:07.402" style="s2">and she's got an edematous wall.</p>
<p begin="00:13:07.402" end="00:13:10.332" style="s2">If you go down this route over here,</p>
<p begin="00:13:10.332" end="00:13:13.858" style="s2">and the person who knows<br />the patient orders the test,</p>
<p begin="00:13:13.858" end="00:13:16.065" style="s2">the person who interprets it interprets it</p>
<p begin="00:13:16.065" end="00:13:19.201" style="s2">as edematous gallbladder wall.</p>
<p begin="00:13:19.201" end="00:13:21.661" style="s2">And the person who acts on<br />it takes out the gallbladder.</p>
<p begin="00:13:21.661" end="00:13:23.679" style="s2">I don't know that it's different,</p>
<p begin="00:13:23.679" end="00:13:25.515" style="s2">if you went back and played this back.</p>
<p begin="00:13:25.515" end="00:13:27.424" style="s2">But it's surely just a<br />different thought process of</p>
<p begin="00:13:27.424" end="00:13:31.602" style="s2">the internists that the bedside,<br />looking at this patient,</p>
<p begin="00:13:31.602" end="00:13:33.772" style="s2">knowing that she's got<br />shortness of breath and</p>
<p begin="00:13:33.772" end="00:13:36.595" style="s2">a pleural effusion and<br />then has this huge IVC,</p>
<p begin="00:13:36.595" end="00:13:39.116" style="s2">maybe the path is a little bit different.</p>
<p begin="00:13:39.116" end="00:13:42.190" style="s2">Let me give you one more case,<br />that demonstrates kind of the</p>
<p begin="00:13:42.190" end="00:13:45.018" style="s2">same thing, and strangely<br />uses the gallbladder again.</p>
<p begin="00:13:45.018" end="00:13:48.636" style="s2">So this is a 47 year old who<br />had Rheumatic Heart Disease,</p>
<p begin="00:13:48.636" end="00:13:52.204" style="s2">and has severe mitral and<br />tricuspid rgurgitation,</p>
<p begin="00:13:52.204" end="00:13:54.175" style="s2">as well as pulmonary hypertension.</p>
<p begin="00:13:54.175" end="00:13:55.970" style="s2">She had been having right<br />upper quadrant pain for</p>
<p begin="00:13:55.970" end="00:13:57.973" style="s2">several months and this<br />had increased over the</p>
<p begin="00:13:57.973" end="00:13:59.387" style="s2">past few days.</p>
<p begin="00:13:59.387" end="00:14:01.285" style="s2">She had been seen as an out-patient,</p>
<p begin="00:14:01.285" end="00:14:02.922" style="s2">and the plan was to take<br />out her gallbladder,</p>
<p begin="00:14:02.922" end="00:14:06.277" style="s2">if they could optimizse<br />her cardiovascular status.</p>
<p begin="00:14:06.277" end="00:14:07.955" style="s2">Because she was having on-going pain and</p>
<p begin="00:14:07.955" end="00:14:10.791" style="s2">her formal ultrasounds<br />as an out-patient had</p>
<p begin="00:14:10.791" end="00:14:12.965" style="s2">stones in the gallbladder.</p>
<p begin="00:14:12.965" end="00:14:17.458" style="s2">So the plan was to take<br />out her gallbladder.</p>
<p begin="00:14:17.458" end="00:14:19.100" style="s2">But she came in because the pain had</p>
<p begin="00:14:19.100" end="00:14:21.453" style="s2">increased significantly<br />in the past couple days.</p>
<p begin="00:14:21.453" end="00:14:23.634" style="s2">When she came in she<br />was volume overloaded,</p>
<p begin="00:14:23.634" end="00:14:25.933" style="s2">her bedside ultrasound<br />shows a big, dilated IVC,</p>
<p begin="00:14:25.933" end="00:14:28.744" style="s2">which wasn't surprising, dilated hepatics.</p>
<p begin="00:14:28.744" end="00:14:31.337" style="s2">She had bilateral interstitial<br />patterns in her lungs,</p>
<p begin="00:14:31.337" end="00:14:33.771" style="s2">consistent with pulmonary edema.</p>
<p begin="00:14:33.771" end="00:14:37.938" style="s2">Had pleural effusions, and<br />had edema up in mid legs.</p>
<p begin="00:14:38.825" end="00:14:41.001" style="s2">So the plan when she came<br />in was to diurese her,</p>
<p begin="00:14:41.001" end="00:14:42.738" style="s2">and then get a formal right upper</p>
<p begin="00:14:42.738" end="00:14:45.361" style="s2">quadrant ultrasound in the morning.</p>
<p begin="00:14:45.361" end="00:14:47.908" style="s2">In the morning, she diuresed really well.</p>
<p begin="00:14:47.908" end="00:14:51.474" style="s2">She peed quite a bit, her<br />shortness of breath got better,</p>
<p begin="00:14:51.474" end="00:14:54.196" style="s2">and her pain in the right upper<br />quadrant got better as well.</p>
<p begin="00:14:54.196" end="00:14:56.799" style="s2">The point of care<br />ultrasound at the bedside,</p>
<p begin="00:14:56.799" end="00:15:01.281" style="s2">the IVC had gotten smaller, and<br />now had some collapse to it.</p>
<p begin="00:15:01.281" end="00:15:05.339" style="s2">Her interstitial edema on the<br />lung ultrasound had improved,</p>
<p begin="00:15:05.339" end="00:15:08.854" style="s2">and all of that correlated<br />with her net loss of</p>
<p begin="00:15:08.854" end="00:15:13.021" style="s2">about 1.2 kilos overnight,<br />and her negative fluid output.</p>
<p begin="00:15:13.975" end="00:15:16.407" style="s2">Her blood pressure that morning, though,</p>
<p begin="00:15:16.407" end="00:15:18.374" style="s2">was a little bit low, and<br />they were worried about</p>
<p begin="00:15:18.374" end="00:15:20.070" style="s2">sepsis from cholangitis.</p>
<p begin="00:15:20.070" end="00:15:24.690" style="s2">So they held her diuretics<br />and they gave IV fluids.</p>
<p begin="00:15:24.690" end="00:15:26.247" style="s2">Before that happened,</p>
<p begin="00:15:26.247" end="00:15:28.709" style="s2">she had her formal right<br />upper quadrant ultrasound,</p>
<p begin="00:15:28.709" end="00:15:30.620" style="s2">when she was feeling good,</p>
<p begin="00:15:30.620" end="00:15:32.378" style="s2">from a shortness of breath standpoint.</p>
<p begin="00:15:32.378" end="00:15:34.721" style="s2">And her gallbladder right upper<br />quadrant pain was minimal.</p>
<p begin="00:15:34.721" end="00:15:38.363" style="s2">And here's the formal right<br />upper quadrant ultrasound.</p>
<p begin="00:15:38.363" end="00:15:40.879" style="s2">She has a normal gallbladder wall,</p>
<p begin="00:15:40.879" end="00:15:43.186" style="s2">this is measured at two millimeters,</p>
<p begin="00:15:43.186" end="00:15:45.952" style="s2">and has some small stones<br />in the gallbladder,</p>
<p begin="00:15:45.952" end="00:15:48.619" style="s2">but an unimpressive gallbladder.</p>
<p begin="00:15:50.249" end="00:15:52.141" style="s2">So with the IV fluids overnight and</p>
<p begin="00:15:52.141" end="00:15:54.116" style="s2">holding her diuretics the next day,</p>
<p begin="00:15:54.116" end="00:15:57.541" style="s2">she was actually more short<br />of breath and on more oxygen.</p>
<p begin="00:15:57.541" end="00:15:58.879" style="s2">And at the same time,</p>
<p begin="00:15:58.879" end="00:16:01.418" style="s2">her right upper quadrant<br />pain was back and worse.</p>
<p begin="00:16:01.418" end="00:16:05.239" style="s2">So at the bedside, with the<br />point of care ultrasound,</p>
<p begin="00:16:05.239" end="00:16:08.363" style="s2">she had an increased<br />inferior vena cava again,</p>
<p begin="00:16:08.363" end="00:16:11.025" style="s2">with more dilation of her hepatics,</p>
<p begin="00:16:11.025" end="00:16:14.608" style="s2">and no collapse on her<br />IVC, and she now had</p>
<p begin="00:16:15.486" end="00:16:19.558" style="s2">florid bilateral interstitial syndrome,</p>
<p begin="00:16:19.558" end="00:16:23.058" style="s2">consistent with worsening pulmonary edema.</p>
<p begin="00:16:24.427" end="00:16:27.326" style="s2">Remember the gallbladder<br />from several hours before on</p>
<p begin="00:16:27.326" end="00:16:28.986" style="s2">the formal ultrasound.</p>
<p begin="00:16:28.986" end="00:16:30.851" style="s2">And then here's what her point of</p>
<p begin="00:16:30.851" end="00:16:33.026" style="s2">care ultrasound looks like right now,</p>
<p begin="00:16:33.026" end="00:16:35.258" style="s2">when she's got right upper quadrant pain,</p>
<p begin="00:16:35.258" end="00:16:38.401" style="s2">and when she is short of breath.</p>
<p begin="00:16:38.401" end="00:16:42.318" style="s2">Her gallbladder wall here<br />is clearly thickened,</p>
<p begin="00:16:44.690" end="00:16:46.931" style="s2">and she had scattered stones in here.</p>
<p begin="00:16:46.931" end="00:16:50.086" style="s2">But a mark at the<br />different gallbladder wall,</p>
<p begin="00:16:50.086" end="00:16:52.845" style="s2">compared to several hours before,</p>
<p begin="00:16:52.845" end="00:16:55.865" style="s2">on the formal right upper<br />quadrant ultrasound.</p>
<p begin="00:16:55.865" end="00:16:58.919" style="s2">This was measured at seven<br />or eight millimeters,</p>
<p begin="00:16:58.919" end="00:17:01.250" style="s2">compared to the two millimeters measured</p>
<p begin="00:17:01.250" end="00:17:02.925" style="s2">several hours before.</p>
<p begin="00:17:02.925" end="00:17:05.021" style="s2">So quite a discrepancy<br />between the point of</p>
<p begin="00:17:05.021" end="00:17:07.150" style="s2">care ultrasound right now when she was</p>
<p begin="00:17:07.150" end="00:17:09.197" style="s2">having right upper quadrant pain,</p>
<p begin="00:17:09.197" end="00:17:12.564" style="s2">and the formal ultrasound<br />several hours prior,</p>
<p begin="00:17:12.564" end="00:17:15.956" style="s2">when she was having minimal<br />right upper quadrant pain.</p>
<p begin="00:17:15.956" end="00:17:18.974" style="s2">So at that point we gave<br />the patient the probe,</p>
<p begin="00:17:18.974" end="00:17:21.383" style="s2">and we said, "Put this probe<br />right where it hurts most.".</p>
<p begin="00:17:21.383" end="00:17:23.352" style="s2">Everyone knows about a Murphy's sign,</p>
<p begin="00:17:23.352" end="00:17:27.730" style="s2">people know about a sonographic<br />Murphy's sign as well.</p>
<p begin="00:17:27.730" end="00:17:32.484" style="s2">And this is a patient-driven<br />sonographic Murphy sign,</p>
<p begin="00:17:32.484" end="00:17:36.579" style="s2">so give them the probe and have<br />them put it where it hurts.</p>
<p begin="00:17:36.579" end="00:17:38.503" style="s2">And if this is what it looks<br />like on the screen when</p>
<p begin="00:17:38.503" end="00:17:40.941" style="s2">the patient says, "Right here",<br />and you are right over the</p>
<p begin="00:17:40.941" end="00:17:45.170" style="s2">gallbladder, that is a pretty<br />darn good Murphy's sign.</p>
<p begin="00:17:45.170" end="00:17:47.755" style="s2">And all of us take Murphy's<br />sign plus stones with</p>
<p begin="00:17:47.755" end="00:17:51.672" style="s2">a pretty darn strong<br />positive predictive value,</p>
<p begin="00:17:53.182" end="00:17:55.682" style="s2">with respect to cholecystitis.</p>
<p begin="00:17:58.016" end="00:17:59.623" style="s2">So what was going on here?</p>
<p begin="00:17:59.623" end="00:18:01.466" style="s2">We wondered if the images from the</p>
<p begin="00:18:01.466" end="00:18:04.356" style="s2">formal right upper quadrant<br />ultrasound the day before</p>
<p begin="00:18:04.356" end="00:18:07.488" style="s2">were on the wrong patient<br />or if something happened.</p>
<p begin="00:18:07.488" end="00:18:09.766" style="s2">So the discussion with<br />radiology and the plan was</p>
<p begin="00:18:09.766" end="00:18:11.706" style="s2">to repeat a formal ultrasound.</p>
<p begin="00:18:11.706" end="00:18:13.843" style="s2">But it was gonna take about<br />three or four hours to</p>
<p begin="00:18:13.843" end="00:18:17.502" style="s2">get hat done, and we knew<br />she needed to be diuresed.</p>
<p begin="00:18:17.502" end="00:18:19.804" style="s2">So we diuresed her, and she eventually got</p>
<p begin="00:18:19.804" end="00:18:22.398" style="s2">the formal right upper quadrant<br />ultrasound repeated that</p>
<p begin="00:18:22.398" end="00:18:26.258" style="s2">afternoon, where she did<br />have less than it was in the</p>
<p begin="00:18:26.258" end="00:18:30.425" style="s2">morning, but still edematous<br />thickened gallbladder wall.</p>
<p begin="00:18:32.398" end="00:18:34.303" style="s2">So she underwent mitral vio<br />ventricle bicuspid valve</p>
<p begin="00:18:34.303" end="00:18:36.469" style="s2">replacement four weeks later,</p>
<p begin="00:18:36.469" end="00:18:38.902" style="s2">and she never had a cholecystectomy,</p>
<p begin="00:18:38.902" end="00:18:41.594" style="s2">she has had no further right<br />upper quadrant pain for</p>
<p begin="00:18:41.594" end="00:18:43.177" style="s2">over two years now.</p>
<p begin="00:18:44.584" end="00:18:48.157" style="s2">So almost for sure, her<br />right upper quadrant pain and</p>
<p begin="00:18:48.157" end="00:18:51.310" style="s2">edema was transient, correlated just with</p>
<p begin="00:18:51.310" end="00:18:54.870" style="s2">her right sided pressures,<br />secondary to volume overload,</p>
<p begin="00:18:54.870" end="00:18:57.982" style="s2">as well as her valvular<br />and pulmonary hypertension.</p>
<p begin="00:18:57.982" end="00:18:59.705" style="s2">And once that was taken care of,</p>
<p begin="00:18:59.705" end="00:19:02.161" style="s2">her right upper quadrant pain went away.</p>
<p begin="00:19:02.161" end="00:19:04.483" style="s2">This demonstrates, I think,<br />a couple different pieces.</p>
<p begin="00:19:04.483" end="00:19:07.004" style="s2">One of which is separation and time,</p>
<p begin="00:19:07.004" end="00:19:09.951" style="s2">between you at the bedside<br />with a patient who's got pain,</p>
<p begin="00:19:09.951" end="00:19:13.184" style="s2">and when a formal ultrasound<br />sometimes can get completed,</p>
<p begin="00:19:13.184" end="00:19:16.143" style="s2">especially interpreted,<br />and back to you to act on.</p>
<p begin="00:19:16.143" end="00:19:19.223" style="s2">And additionally, the<br />separation in the person who</p>
<p begin="00:19:19.223" end="00:19:21.615" style="s2">is interpreting this image of</p>
<p begin="00:19:21.615" end="00:19:23.953" style="s2">a swollen gallbladder wall with stones,</p>
<p begin="00:19:23.953" end="00:19:27.389" style="s2">and staying consistent with cholecystitis,</p>
<p begin="00:19:27.389" end="00:19:29.740" style="s2">separated from the person<br />who is going to act on it.</p>
<p begin="00:19:29.740" end="00:19:32.434" style="s2">There on, in some cases,<br />hopefully in this case,</p>
<p begin="00:19:32.434" end="00:19:35.382" style="s2">that demonstrate just<br />the benefit of having the</p>
<p begin="00:19:35.382" end="00:19:39.089" style="s2">continuity form start to<br />finish within the hands of</p>
<p begin="00:19:39.089" end="00:19:42.339" style="s2">the person taking care of the patients.</p>
<p begin="00:19:43.294" end="00:19:47.332" style="s2">Alright, let's look into<br />a couple pieces about</p>
<p begin="00:19:47.332" end="00:19:50.484" style="s2">physical exam now, which<br />looks just like point of</p>
<p begin="00:19:50.484" end="00:19:52.443" style="s2">care ultrasound, sometimes,<br />from a continuity standpoint,</p>
<p begin="00:19:52.443" end="00:19:55.870" style="s2">and is our bread and butter as internists.</p>
<p begin="00:19:55.870" end="00:19:57.610" style="s2">And let's take an evidence based look with</p>
<p begin="00:19:57.610" end="00:20:01.942" style="s2">a few tables here from<br />Steven McGee in his book.</p>
<p begin="00:20:01.942" end="00:20:04.120" style="s2">The first one is something<br />we do all the time,</p>
<p begin="00:20:04.120" end="00:20:07.846" style="s2">and it is whether or<br />not someone has ascites.</p>
<p begin="00:20:07.846" end="00:20:11.174" style="s2">And our classic physical exam<br />here with likelihood ratios of</p>
<p begin="00:20:11.174" end="00:20:14.306" style="s2">varying degrees, both<br />positive and negative,</p>
<p begin="00:20:14.306" end="00:20:18.028" style="s2">for the ways we can<br />test for the presence or</p>
<p begin="00:20:18.028" end="00:20:19.361" style="s2">lack of ascites.</p>
<p begin="00:20:20.810" end="00:20:24.609" style="s2">Fluid wave, shifting dullness, et cetera.</p>
<p begin="00:20:24.609" end="00:20:27.442" style="s2">This is an example of ascites, 100% yes.</p>
<p begin="00:20:27.442" end="00:20:30.416" style="s2">And exactly how much is present here with</p>
<p begin="00:20:30.416" end="00:20:33.144" style="s2">the ultrasound on exam.</p>
<p begin="00:20:33.144" end="00:20:35.508" style="s2">This is a nice cirrhotic<br />little shrunken liver,</p>
<p begin="00:20:35.508" end="00:20:38.497" style="s2">with the black ascites around it.</p>
<p begin="00:20:38.497" end="00:20:40.457" style="s2">Down here is more subtle ascites,</p>
<p begin="00:20:40.457" end="00:20:42.451" style="s2">that clinically is important,</p>
<p begin="00:20:42.451" end="00:20:46.692" style="s2">but not detectable with<br />traditional physical exam.</p>
<p begin="00:20:46.692" end="00:20:49.968" style="s2">And here you see some small<br />bowel with peristalsis in it.</p>
<p begin="00:20:49.968" end="00:20:51.789" style="s2">So if I really wanna know whether or</p>
<p begin="00:20:51.789" end="00:20:54.927" style="s2">not someone has ascites,<br />this is the way I look,</p>
<p begin="00:20:54.927" end="00:20:58.578" style="s2">rather than with shifting<br />dullness anymore.</p>
<p begin="00:20:58.578" end="00:21:02.531" style="s2">Same thing with pleural<br />effusions, elevated diaphragms,</p>
<p begin="00:21:02.531" end="00:21:05.088" style="s2">and hospitalized patients postoperatively,</p>
<p begin="00:21:05.088" end="00:21:10.006" style="s2">all of these pieces that<br />make our traditional exam a</p>
<p begin="00:21:10.006" end="00:21:12.700" style="s2">little bit tougher for<br />being accurate in whether or</p>
<p begin="00:21:12.700" end="00:21:15.479" style="s2">not there is effusion,<br />and how much there is.</p>
<p begin="00:21:15.479" end="00:21:17.054" style="s2">Going one step beyond,</p>
<p begin="00:21:17.054" end="00:21:21.537" style="s2">here is a nice free flowing<br />pleural effusion above</p>
<p begin="00:21:21.537" end="00:21:24.970" style="s2">the diaphragm, with a lower lobe that is</p>
<p begin="00:21:24.970" end="00:21:29.137" style="s2">atelectatic from the compression<br />of the fluid around it.</p>
<p begin="00:21:30.139" end="00:21:34.883" style="s2">In contrast, a physical exam<br />that looks very similar to</p>
<p begin="00:21:34.883" end="00:21:37.710" style="s2">this physical exam, but a fluid here that</p>
<p begin="00:21:37.710" end="00:21:39.310" style="s2">looks quite different.</p>
<p begin="00:21:39.310" end="00:21:42.276" style="s2">So this fluid, from here to here to here,</p>
<p begin="00:21:42.276" end="00:21:46.370" style="s2">above the diaphragm, outside<br />of this atelectatic lung tip,</p>
<p begin="00:21:46.370" end="00:21:50.365" style="s2">is densely loculated with<br />all sorts of fiber stranding.</p>
<p begin="00:21:50.365" end="00:21:53.332" style="s2">And this patient who we thought was</p>
<p begin="00:21:53.332" end="00:21:56.219" style="s2">a transudative heart failure effusion,</p>
<p begin="00:21:56.219" end="00:21:59.085" style="s2">this turned out to be empyema.</p>
<p begin="00:21:59.085" end="00:22:02.698" style="s2">And just seeing that difference<br />on ultrasound makes you</p>
<p begin="00:22:02.698" end="00:22:05.904" style="s2">more likely to put a needle<br />in that, diagnostically,</p>
<p begin="00:22:05.904" end="00:22:07.598" style="s2">than you might have if<br />you thought this was</p>
<p begin="00:22:07.598" end="00:22:11.181" style="s2">just a transudative<br />heart failure effusion.</p>
<p begin="00:22:12.218" end="00:22:16.756" style="s2">And then finally, let's just<br />take liver and spleen size.</p>
<p begin="00:22:16.756" end="00:22:19.199" style="s2">First spleno and hepatomegaly,</p>
<p begin="00:22:19.199" end="00:22:22.699" style="s2">and we've got pretty good exam tests here,</p>
<p begin="00:22:23.677" end="00:22:25.674" style="s2">from a traditional exam standpoint,</p>
<p begin="00:22:25.674" end="00:22:29.279" style="s2">when they're positive, for<br />calling something big or small.</p>
<p begin="00:22:29.279" end="00:22:31.589" style="s2">However, the sensitivity for</p>
<p begin="00:22:31.589" end="00:22:35.163" style="s2">picking up splenomegaly<br />hepatomegaly, lacks.</p>
<p begin="00:22:35.163" end="00:22:38.332" style="s2">And here we've got a<br />nice, normal sized spleen,</p>
<p begin="00:22:38.332" end="00:22:41.983" style="s2">for example, up here, with<br />the ipsilateral left kidney,</p>
<p begin="00:22:41.983" end="00:22:46.088" style="s2">and a nice, significantly<br />enlarged spleen down here that</p>
<p begin="00:22:46.088" end="00:22:49.327" style="s2">looks like a football,<br />extending way beyond the</p>
<p begin="00:22:49.327" end="00:22:52.077" style="s2">inferior pole of the left kidney.</p>
<p begin="00:22:53.152" end="00:22:55.962" style="s2">And if I really care<br />whether or not someone has</p>
<p begin="00:22:55.962" end="00:22:59.740" style="s2">a large spleen, especially<br />if they're a bigger patient,</p>
<p begin="00:22:59.740" end="00:23:02.009" style="s2">the ultrasound probe is where I go to be</p>
<p begin="00:23:02.009" end="00:23:03.926" style="s2">confident in that exam.</p>
<p begin="00:23:06.061" end="00:23:09.914" style="s2">So lots and lots of different<br />points of physical exam for</p>
<p begin="00:23:09.914" end="00:23:12.708" style="s2">internists, that we can<br />do better with ultrasound.</p>
<p begin="00:23:12.708" end="00:23:16.171" style="s2">This is the IMBUS curriculum,<br />which has tons and</p>
<p begin="00:23:16.171" end="00:23:19.187" style="s2">tons of pices to it, all<br />of which we think plays a</p>
<p begin="00:23:19.187" end="00:23:21.990" style="s2">role in the internist and<br />Hospitalist physical exam.</p>
<p begin="00:23:21.990" end="00:23:24.227" style="s2">But we don't have time for all that today,</p>
<p begin="00:23:24.227" end="00:23:26.119" style="s2">so I'm gonna show you the stuff we do</p>
<p begin="00:23:26.119" end="00:23:29.036" style="s2">within our ultrasound program here.</p>
<p begin="00:23:30.379" end="00:23:33.116" style="s2">Really comes down to three big areas.</p>
<p begin="00:23:33.116" end="00:23:35.188" style="s2">Lots and lots of different<br />pieces, but if you were gonna</p>
<p begin="00:23:35.188" end="00:23:36.708" style="s2">take the three big hitters,</p>
<p begin="00:23:36.708" end="00:23:38.423" style="s2">you would take pulmonary ultrasound,</p>
<p begin="00:23:38.423" end="00:23:40.749" style="s2">cardiac and fluid responsiveness,</p>
<p begin="00:23:40.749" end="00:23:43.700" style="s2">and then some abdominal ultrasound.</p>
<p begin="00:23:43.700" end="00:23:45.476" style="s2">So that's what I'm gonna try<br />to highlight for you here,</p>
<p begin="00:23:45.476" end="00:23:47.479" style="s2">is a few high yield areas,</p>
<p begin="00:23:47.479" end="00:23:49.531" style="s2">a point of care ultrasound<br />for the Hospitalist.</p>
<p begin="00:23:49.531" end="00:23:52.274" style="s2">Let's take a very<br />typical presentation that</p>
<p begin="00:23:52.274" end="00:23:54.424" style="s2">we see as Hospitalists all the time.</p>
<p begin="00:23:54.424" end="00:23:57.719" style="s2">A 66 year old guy who's got a<br />past history of heart failure.</p>
<p begin="00:23:57.719" end="00:24:00.208" style="s2">Now he's got shortness<br />of breath and edema.</p>
<p begin="00:24:00.208" end="00:24:04.220" style="s2">He was found to have UTI,<br />and probably pneumonia,</p>
<p begin="00:24:04.220" end="00:24:06.878" style="s2">as well as his CHF being exacerbated.</p>
<p begin="00:24:06.878" end="00:24:09.294" style="s2">So they're diuresing him and having him on</p>
<p begin="00:24:09.294" end="00:24:11.260" style="s2">antibiotics for a couple days.</p>
<p begin="00:24:11.260" end="00:24:14.256" style="s2">And their assessment is that<br />he's still hypervolemic,</p>
<p begin="00:24:14.256" end="00:24:16.423" style="s2">he's got pitting edema, peripherally,</p>
<p begin="00:24:16.423" end="00:24:20.492" style="s2">and he's diuresed about three<br />liters with the Lasix so far.</p>
<p begin="00:24:20.492" end="00:24:22.594" style="s2">But getting more tachycardic,</p>
<p begin="00:24:22.594" end="00:24:24.809" style="s2">and blood pressure's still fine.</p>
<p begin="00:24:24.809" end="00:24:26.605" style="s2">So they decide to give a chest x-ray to</p>
<p begin="00:24:26.605" end="00:24:29.453" style="s2">further assess his fluid balance before</p>
<p begin="00:24:29.453" end="00:24:31.666" style="s2">they diurese him further,<br />because the clinical picture</p>
<p begin="00:24:31.666" end="00:24:34.947" style="s2">doesn't quite fit with what they think,</p>
<p begin="00:24:34.947" end="00:24:38.211" style="s2">he's still quite volume overloaded.</p>
<p begin="00:24:38.211" end="00:24:41.809" style="s2">His hypertension gets worse,<br />and his tachycardia worsens,</p>
<p begin="00:24:41.809" end="00:24:45.392" style="s2">and they're worried<br />he's got a possible PE.</p>
<p begin="00:24:46.256" end="00:24:48.145" style="s2">So they transfer him.</p>
<p begin="00:24:48.145" end="00:24:51.205" style="s2">When he arrive here, up in<br />the upper green box here,</p>
<p begin="00:24:51.205" end="00:24:53.447" style="s2">you've got a normal inferior vena cava,</p>
<p begin="00:24:53.447" end="00:24:55.871" style="s2">and a nice, normal respiratory<br />collapse, normal size.</p>
<p begin="00:24:55.871" end="00:24:58.403" style="s2">His inferior vena cava, when he arrives,</p>
<p begin="00:24:58.403" end="00:25:01.329" style="s2">is nonexistent, it is<br />this tiny little slit that</p>
<p begin="00:25:01.329" end="00:25:04.917" style="s2">opens every once in a while,<br />just during expiration.</p>
<p begin="00:25:04.917" end="00:25:09.084" style="s2">And here it is over on the<br />right side in short axis.</p>
<p begin="00:25:09.974" end="00:25:12.429" style="s2">You can see this little eyeball<br />winking at you every once in</p>
<p begin="00:25:12.429" end="00:25:15.794" style="s2">a while here, and that is<br />the inferior vena cava.</p>
<p begin="00:25:15.794" end="00:25:19.241" style="s2">So a virtually nonexistent<br />IVC, consistent with an</p>
<p begin="00:25:19.241" end="00:25:24.136" style="s2">extremely low, single digit<br />central venous pressure.</p>
<p begin="00:25:24.136" end="00:25:26.452" style="s2">Here's a nice, normal<br />parasternal long axis,</p>
<p begin="00:25:26.452" end="00:25:28.119" style="s2">with normal squeeze.</p>
<p begin="00:25:29.009" end="00:25:31.148" style="s2">And here is his left ventricle,</p>
<p begin="00:25:31.148" end="00:25:33.527" style="s2">in the parasternal long axis.</p>
<p begin="00:25:33.527" end="00:25:35.451" style="s2">Note he's tachycardic,</p>
<p begin="00:25:35.451" end="00:25:38.961" style="s2">and his fractional<br />shortening is increased here.</p>
<p begin="00:25:38.961" end="00:25:43.068" style="s2">So he has a hyperdynamic<br />tachycardic left ventricle in</p>
<p begin="00:25:43.068" end="00:25:46.413" style="s2">the setting of a single digit CDP,</p>
<p begin="00:25:46.413" end="00:25:49.414" style="s2">based on his very flat inferior vena cava.</p>
<p begin="00:25:49.414" end="00:25:52.664" style="s2">So he is intravascularly not volume up.</p>
<p begin="00:25:54.953" end="00:25:56.650" style="s2">So how do assess that?</p>
<p begin="00:25:56.650" end="00:25:58.852" style="s2">We use neck veins when they're visible.</p>
<p begin="00:25:58.852" end="00:26:00.666" style="s2">They're great and they're helpful and</p>
<p begin="00:26:00.666" end="00:26:02.894" style="s2">they're a classic physical exam finding.</p>
<p begin="00:26:02.894" end="00:26:05.246" style="s2">They're not always visible<br />based on patient body habitus,</p>
<p begin="00:26:05.246" end="00:26:07.728" style="s2">and somewhat tough to interpret.</p>
<p begin="00:26:07.728" end="00:26:09.547" style="s2">It takes a while to become an expert at</p>
<p begin="00:26:09.547" end="00:26:11.708" style="s2">neck vein identification.</p>
<p begin="00:26:11.708" end="00:26:13.994" style="s2">So inferior vena cava<br />acts as a surrogate for</p>
<p begin="00:26:13.994" end="00:26:17.234" style="s2">the same thing that neck<br />veins tell us about,</p>
<p begin="00:26:17.234" end="00:26:20.335" style="s2">the right atrial pressure, or<br />the central venous pressure.</p>
<p begin="00:26:20.335" end="00:26:24.861" style="s2">Here is a example of a correlate<br />to a very flat neck vein.</p>
<p begin="00:26:24.861" end="00:26:27.137" style="s2">The CVP, like we just<br />saw in the single digits,</p>
<p begin="00:26:27.137" end="00:26:29.502" style="s2">whereas here, this is consistent with</p>
<p begin="00:26:29.502" end="00:26:32.810" style="s2">elevated beck veins with a<br />distended inferior vena cava and</p>
<p begin="00:26:32.810" end="00:26:36.060" style="s2">minimal collapse here with respiration.</p>
<p begin="00:26:40.610" end="00:26:42.617" style="s2">Central venous pressure<br />tells us something about</p>
<p begin="00:26:42.617" end="00:26:45.371" style="s2">right sided filling, about volume status,</p>
<p begin="00:26:45.371" end="00:26:48.089" style="s2">but is separated from<br />what we really care about</p>
<p begin="00:26:48.089" end="00:26:49.990" style="s2">on the left side of the heart.</p>
<p begin="00:26:49.990" end="00:26:53.590" style="s2">And central venous pressure<br />or inferior vena cava doesn't</p>
<p begin="00:26:53.590" end="00:26:56.000" style="s2">do a whole lot for telling us about</p>
<p begin="00:26:56.000" end="00:26:58.247" style="s2">what we really care about<br />in the end, which is,</p>
<p begin="00:26:58.247" end="00:27:00.305" style="s2">is this person who's hypertensive going to</p>
<p begin="00:27:00.305" end="00:27:03.236" style="s2">respond to a fluid<br />challenge or a fluid bolus?</p>
<p begin="00:27:03.236" end="00:27:06.640" style="s2">So we can get one step<br />closer to that question with</p>
<p begin="00:27:06.640" end="00:27:09.966" style="s2">ultrasound, and the way we do this is with</p>
<p begin="00:27:09.966" end="00:27:13.585" style="s2">a few cardiac measurements,<br />and a patient who's sitting up,</p>
<p begin="00:27:13.585" end="00:27:16.186" style="s2">we're gonna measure the LV outflow tract</p>
<p begin="00:27:16.186" end="00:27:19.813" style="s2">diameter right here,<br />which is 2.2 centimeters.</p>
<p begin="00:27:19.813" end="00:27:22.243" style="s2">And then we're going to<br />put a doppler gate in</p>
<p begin="00:27:22.243" end="00:27:23.879" style="s2">the LV outflow tract.</p>
<p begin="00:27:23.879" end="00:27:26.851" style="s2">So here's the left atrium,<br />left ventricle, aortic valve,</p>
<p begin="00:27:26.851" end="00:27:28.642" style="s2">and LV outflow.</p>
<p begin="00:27:28.642" end="00:27:30.860" style="s2">You can do that either in<br />the apical three chamber or</p>
<p begin="00:27:30.860" end="00:27:34.587" style="s2">in the apical five chamber,<br />as is shown down here.</p>
<p begin="00:27:34.587" end="00:27:37.951" style="s2">And with doppler we're<br />gonna measure their BTI,</p>
<p begin="00:27:37.951" end="00:27:40.396" style="s2">which is gonna give us a stroke volume,</p>
<p begin="00:27:40.396" end="00:27:42.342" style="s2">combined with the heart rate,</p>
<p begin="00:27:42.342" end="00:27:44.923" style="s2">is gonna give us a cardiac output.</p>
<p begin="00:27:44.923" end="00:27:47.255" style="s2">So, we can either give<br />that person a fluid bolus,</p>
<p begin="00:27:47.255" end="00:27:50.409" style="s2">or we can lay them down, raise their legs,</p>
<p begin="00:27:50.409" end="00:27:53.481" style="s2">and as we raise their legs,<br />that fluid that's sitting in</p>
<p begin="00:27:53.481" end="00:27:55.749" style="s2">their legs, a couple hundred CCs</p>
<p begin="00:27:55.749" end="00:27:59.224" style="s2">gets mobilized to the central circulation,</p>
<p begin="00:27:59.224" end="00:28:01.697" style="s2">and acts as a small fluid bolus.</p>
<p begin="00:28:01.697" end="00:28:05.181" style="s2">Then we repeat the ultrasound,<br />everything stays the same,</p>
<p begin="00:28:05.181" end="00:28:09.293" style="s2">with the exception of heart<br />rate and VTI, or stroke volume.</p>
<p begin="00:28:09.293" end="00:28:11.643" style="s2">And we see what does the stroke volume or</p>
<p begin="00:28:11.643" end="00:28:15.671" style="s2">cardiac output do with<br />that little fluid bolus?</p>
<p begin="00:28:15.671" end="00:28:18.298" style="s2">In tis example here, there is<br />a significant improvement in</p>
<p begin="00:28:18.298" end="00:28:21.722" style="s2">cardiac output with the leg raise.</p>
<p begin="00:28:21.722" end="00:28:26.201" style="s2">This is equally accomplished<br />by giving the person 250 CCs of</p>
<p begin="00:28:26.201" end="00:28:28.845" style="s2">fluid and seeing if there's<br />an improvement in this.</p>
<p begin="00:28:28.845" end="00:28:31.965" style="s2">So this is getting one step<br />closer to that question.</p>
<p begin="00:28:31.965" end="00:28:33.457" style="s2">We ask all the time,</p>
<p begin="00:28:33.457" end="00:28:37.457" style="s2">"Should I give this guy<br />some fluid, yes or no?".</p>
<p begin="00:28:39.217" end="00:28:41.820" style="s2">An equally important<br />question for Hospitalists is,</p>
<p begin="00:28:41.820" end="00:28:44.212" style="s2">you've got a patient with heart failure,</p>
<p begin="00:28:44.212" end="00:28:46.700" style="s2">who you are diuresing, and you<br />want to take off just enough,</p>
<p begin="00:28:46.700" end="00:28:48.658" style="s2">but not so much that you<br />bump their kidneys and</p>
<p begin="00:28:48.658" end="00:28:50.654" style="s2">you bump their creatinine and</p>
<p begin="00:28:50.654" end="00:28:52.506" style="s2">you worsen their renal function.</p>
<p begin="00:28:52.506" end="00:28:55.374" style="s2">We do this not infrequently,<br />and what it results in is</p>
<p begin="00:28:55.374" end="00:28:59.168" style="s2">usually, no longterm harm,<br />but if someone's ready to go,</p>
<p begin="00:28:59.168" end="00:29:02.697" style="s2">from a heart failure standpoint,<br />they've been diuresed,</p>
<p begin="00:29:02.697" end="00:29:04.535" style="s2">they're not short of breath anymore,</p>
<p begin="00:29:04.535" end="00:29:07.535" style="s2">but they're bumped today, and we're gonna</p>
<p begin="00:29:07.535" end="00:29:10.648" style="s2">keep them one extra day, add<br />one more day to their length of</p>
<p begin="00:29:10.648" end="00:29:12.302" style="s2">stay just to make sure that</p>
<p begin="00:29:12.302" end="00:29:15.165" style="s2">their kidneys turn around<br />and come back down.</p>
<p begin="00:29:15.165" end="00:29:18.502" style="s2">So here's a good example<br />of one that is in play.</p>
<p begin="00:29:18.502" end="00:29:21.061" style="s2">You've got a 76 year old<br />guy with heart failure,</p>
<p begin="00:29:21.061" end="00:29:24.989" style="s2">with preserved EF, he's<br />got a big left atrium,</p>
<p begin="00:29:24.989" end="00:29:26.413" style="s2">he's got a thick wall,</p>
<p begin="00:29:26.413" end="00:29:28.425" style="s2">tiny little pericardial effusion here.</p>
<p begin="00:29:28.425" end="00:29:31.097" style="s2">And he's got elevated<br />right sided pressures with</p>
<p begin="00:29:31.097" end="00:29:32.617" style="s2">a big, distended IVC,</p>
<p begin="00:29:32.617" end="00:29:36.065" style="s2">and he's got bilateral<br />interstitial syndromes, diffusely,</p>
<p begin="00:29:36.065" end="00:29:38.147" style="s2">which is consistent with pulmonary edema.</p>
<p begin="00:29:38.147" end="00:29:40.449" style="s2">His weight's up, and his creatinine is</p>
<p begin="00:29:40.449" end="00:29:44.937" style="s2">a little bit above his<br />baseline, which is not normal.</p>
<p begin="00:29:44.937" end="00:29:49.032" style="s2">You can diurese this guy and<br />follow neck veins or CVP,</p>
<p begin="00:29:49.032" end="00:29:51.023" style="s2">or inferior vena cava.</p>
<p begin="00:29:51.023" end="00:29:52.961" style="s2">And you do that this way.</p>
<p begin="00:29:52.961" end="00:29:55.594" style="s2">As he diureses, the<br />IVC becomes smaller and</p>
<p begin="00:29:55.594" end="00:29:59.761" style="s2">more collapsible until it is<br />consistent with a very low CVP.</p>
<p begin="00:30:00.785" end="00:30:03.431" style="s2">And if this guy doesn't<br />have pulmonary hypertension,</p>
<p begin="00:30:03.431" end="00:30:06.193" style="s2">doesn't have tricuspid<br />rigor, et cetera, et cetera,</p>
<p begin="00:30:06.193" end="00:30:09.558" style="s2">the right sided pressures can<br />be helpful in following what</p>
<p begin="00:30:09.558" end="00:30:11.626" style="s2">his left sided filling pressures are.</p>
<p begin="00:30:11.626" end="00:30:13.501" style="s2">However, most of these patients have</p>
<p begin="00:30:13.501" end="00:30:15.627" style="s2">some other abnormality that makes the</p>
<p begin="00:30:15.627" end="00:30:17.423" style="s2">CVP not a great surrogate for what</p>
<p begin="00:30:17.423" end="00:30:20.982" style="s2">their left sided filling pressures are.</p>
<p begin="00:30:20.982" end="00:30:22.849" style="s2">So we need to go a step further,</p>
<p begin="00:30:22.849" end="00:30:24.918" style="s2">and let's go a little bit<br />closer to the left side of the</p>
<p begin="00:30:24.918" end="00:30:27.170" style="s2">heart, and let's combine<br />one ultrasound with</p>
<p begin="00:30:27.170" end="00:30:29.906" style="s2">the inferior vena cava.</p>
<p begin="00:30:29.906" end="00:30:32.151" style="s2">This guy starts up here in<br />the upper left hand corner in</p>
<p begin="00:30:32.151" end="00:30:35.784" style="s2">this example, and he has<br />florid pulmonary edema,</p>
<p begin="00:30:35.784" end="00:30:38.487" style="s2">diffused b-lines everywhere you look,</p>
<p begin="00:30:38.487" end="00:30:42.308" style="s2">he's on BiPAP, and his<br />Sats are low in the ICU.</p>
<p begin="00:30:42.308" end="00:30:46.660" style="s2">As you diurese him, his<br />inferior vena cava stays big and</p>
<p begin="00:30:46.660" end="00:30:50.045" style="s2">dilated, his pulmonary<br />picture improves slightly,</p>
<p begin="00:30:50.045" end="00:30:52.580" style="s2">his b-lines are decreasing in number.</p>
<p begin="00:30:52.580" end="00:30:55.591" style="s2">The more and more you<br />diurese, the better he feels,</p>
<p begin="00:30:55.591" end="00:30:57.491" style="s2">the less oxygen he needs,</p>
<p begin="00:30:57.491" end="00:31:00.158" style="s2">the less prominent the b-lines are,</p>
<p begin="00:31:00.158" end="00:31:04.252" style="s2">the more scattered they are,<br />the less diffuse they are.</p>
<p begin="00:31:04.252" end="00:31:07.588" style="s2">And you continue diuresing,<br />and there are fewer and</p>
<p begin="00:31:07.588" end="00:31:11.033" style="s2">fewer b-lines, and now you have<br />a nicely collapsing IVC and</p>
<p begin="00:31:11.033" end="00:31:14.098" style="s2">the patient is feeling pretty darn good.</p>
<p begin="00:31:14.098" end="00:31:16.820" style="s2">And here the patient<br />feels good, you've got</p>
<p begin="00:31:16.820" end="00:31:18.980" style="s2">a couple b-lines left, which<br />are gonna be present in the</p>
<p begin="00:31:18.980" end="00:31:23.173" style="s2">absence of shortness<br />of breath and hypoxia.</p>
<p begin="00:31:23.173" end="00:31:25.062" style="s2">The b-lines are so sensitive here,</p>
<p begin="00:31:25.062" end="00:31:27.958" style="s2">but they are present on<br />the ultrasound long before</p>
<p begin="00:31:27.958" end="00:31:32.134" style="s2">hypoxia and clinical shortness<br />of breath are present.</p>
<p begin="00:31:32.134" end="00:31:34.549" style="s2">And this is probably a good spot to stop.</p>
<p begin="00:31:34.549" end="00:31:38.071" style="s2">He has no symptoms anymore,<br />his b-lines are resolving,</p>
<p begin="00:31:38.071" end="00:31:40.606" style="s2">his right sided pressures look good.</p>
<p begin="00:31:40.606" end="00:31:43.009" style="s2">And if you go one more step here to the</p>
<p begin="00:31:43.009" end="00:31:45.250" style="s2">completely flat inferior vena cava,</p>
<p begin="00:31:45.250" end="00:31:48.679" style="s2">and his creatinine bumps,<br />maybe you've gone a</p>
<p begin="00:31:48.679" end="00:31:50.075" style="s2">little bit too far.</p>
<p begin="00:31:50.075" end="00:31:51.908" style="s2">And your lungs are pristine here,</p>
<p begin="00:31:51.908" end="00:31:53.970" style="s2">there is not a single B line left.</p>
<p begin="00:31:53.970" end="00:31:56.864" style="s2">So using lung combined with IVC,</p>
<p begin="00:31:56.864" end="00:31:59.741" style="s2">is getting one step<br />closer to, what are the</p>
<p begin="00:31:59.741" end="00:32:01.923" style="s2">left sided pressures, the wedge pressure,</p>
<p begin="00:32:01.923" end="00:32:04.472" style="s2">the left atrial pressure doing?</p>
<p begin="00:32:04.472" end="00:32:07.267" style="s2">But let's go advance one more time here,</p>
<p begin="00:32:07.267" end="00:32:09.555" style="s2">and go all the way to the left side with</p>
<p begin="00:32:09.555" end="00:32:11.434" style="s2">the surrogate marker.</p>
<p begin="00:32:11.434" end="00:32:13.895" style="s2">And we're gonna do this with doppler,</p>
<p begin="00:32:13.895" end="00:32:16.950" style="s2">and the first piece we're<br />gonna do is mitral inflow.</p>
<p begin="00:32:16.950" end="00:32:20.552" style="s2">So the doppler gate here,<br />right at the tip of the</p>
<p begin="00:32:20.552" end="00:32:23.139" style="s2">mitral leaflets, looking at mitral inflow,</p>
<p begin="00:32:23.139" end="00:32:24.709" style="s2">coming towards the probe.</p>
<p begin="00:32:24.709" end="00:32:27.413" style="s2">And this is the E phase,<br />and the A phase of</p>
<p begin="00:32:27.413" end="00:32:30.114" style="s2">diastolic filling<br />through the mitral valve.</p>
<p begin="00:32:30.114" end="00:32:32.531" style="s2">This is the E and the A wave,</p>
<p begin="00:32:33.741" end="00:32:37.542" style="s2">and we can measure what's<br />the E velocity right here,</p>
<p begin="00:32:37.542" end="00:32:41.709" style="s2">then we're gonna put the<br />gate on tissue right here,</p>
<p begin="00:32:43.022" end="00:32:47.022" style="s2">at the medial mitral<br />valve, right on the septum.</p>
<p begin="00:32:49.071" end="00:32:52.003" style="s2">And we're gonna ask the machine<br />to tell us how well that</p>
<p begin="00:32:52.003" end="00:32:53.721" style="s2">heart is relaxing there.</p>
<p begin="00:32:53.721" end="00:32:55.854" style="s2">And we are gonna get<br />movement away from the</p>
<p begin="00:32:55.854" end="00:32:58.669" style="s2">probes allotted on the<br />bottom of the line here,</p>
<p begin="00:32:58.669" end="00:33:01.836" style="s2">in the same E and A phase of diastole.</p>
<p begin="00:33:02.824" end="00:33:05.407" style="s2">And this is the septal E prime,</p>
<p begin="00:33:07.050" end="00:33:10.258" style="s2">or the tissue doppler E phase.</p>
<p begin="00:33:10.258" end="00:33:14.876" style="s2">If we take the blue star,<br />so the mitral inflow E,</p>
<p begin="00:33:14.876" end="00:33:19.058" style="s2">and we divide it by the<br />tissue doppler E prime,</p>
<p begin="00:33:19.058" end="00:33:22.677" style="s2">we get a number that is related<br />to left atrial pressure.</p>
<p begin="00:33:22.677" end="00:33:26.844" style="s2">And this is a non-invasive<br />assessment of left sided or</p>
<p begin="00:33:27.826" end="00:33:31.182" style="s2">wedge pressure that we<br />can follow in patients.</p>
<p begin="00:33:31.182" end="00:33:34.515" style="s2">So taking us from IVC to lungs plus IVC,</p>
<p begin="00:33:35.401" end="00:33:39.036" style="s2">all the way to a left<br />atrial pressure assessment,</p>
<p begin="00:33:39.036" end="00:33:40.593" style="s2">and a combination of those things can</p>
<p begin="00:33:40.593" end="00:33:44.282" style="s2">help us manage diureses in<br />our heart failure patients so</p>
<p begin="00:33:44.282" end="00:33:47.719" style="s2">that we don't bump every<br />one of them's creatinine and</p>
<p begin="00:33:47.719" end="00:33:49.589" style="s2">keep them for an extra<br />day in the hospital,</p>
<p begin="00:33:49.589" end="00:33:52.589" style="s2">we find tune things a little better.</p>
<p begin="00:33:53.547" end="00:33:55.531" style="s2">We get very used to<br />treating heart failure,</p>
<p begin="00:33:55.531" end="00:33:57.662" style="s2">and then every once and a<br />while we get surprised and</p>
<p begin="00:33:57.662" end="00:34:00.908" style="s2">have an additional tool<br />to help avoid those</p>
<p begin="00:34:00.908" end="00:34:02.652" style="s2">surprises is helpful.</p>
<p begin="00:34:02.652" end="00:34:04.233" style="s2">That's what this demonstrates.</p>
<p begin="00:34:04.233" end="00:34:06.491" style="s2">So a 38 year old guy<br />who's short of breath,</p>
<p begin="00:34:06.491" end="00:34:10.213" style="s2">and comes in hypertensive with a headache.</p>
<p begin="00:34:10.213" end="00:34:12.714" style="s2">Everything looks like heart failure.</p>
<p begin="00:34:12.714" end="00:34:14.966" style="s2">He's got crackles<br />bilaterally, he's hypoxic,</p>
<p begin="00:34:14.966" end="00:34:17.966" style="s2">he's got a systolic ejection murmur.</p>
<p begin="00:34:19.148" end="00:34:23.088" style="s2">And the chest x-ray is<br />consistent with heart failure.</p>
<p begin="00:34:23.088" end="00:34:24.599" style="s2">He has a big heart.</p>
<p begin="00:34:24.599" end="00:34:28.766" style="s2">So he gets diuresed, and<br />he gets IV ace-inhibitor.</p>
<p begin="00:34:30.153" end="00:34:33.317" style="s2">He pees a ton and his<br />pressure drops a ton.</p>
<p begin="00:34:33.317" end="00:34:37.028" style="s2">He passes out and diureses is stopped,</p>
<p begin="00:34:37.028" end="00:34:39.138" style="s2">and he's gonna get admitted<br />to the intensive care unit,</p>
<p begin="00:34:39.138" end="00:34:41.388" style="s2">because of his hypotension.</p>
<p begin="00:34:42.904" end="00:34:45.836" style="s2">And Hospitalist puts a probe on his chest,</p>
<p begin="00:34:45.836" end="00:34:49.632" style="s2">and this is what his heart looks like.</p>
<p begin="00:34:49.632" end="00:34:53.632" style="s2">So he has a hyperdynamic<br />kissing left ventricle,</p>
<p begin="00:34:54.849" end="00:34:58.833" style="s2">so function is great from<br />a squeeze standpoint.</p>
<p begin="00:34:58.833" end="00:35:02.416" style="s2">He's got thick walls,</p>
<p begin="00:35:05.149" end="00:35:07.583" style="s2">and if you look very closely,</p>
<p begin="00:35:07.583" end="00:35:11.427" style="s2">right here in the LV<br />outflow tract, in systole,</p>
<p begin="00:35:11.427" end="00:35:14.553" style="s2">systole, systole, systole, systole.</p>
<p begin="00:35:14.553" end="00:35:16.640" style="s2">You see a little white dot populating the</p>
<p begin="00:35:16.640" end="00:35:18.753" style="s2">LV outflow tract in systole.</p>
<p begin="00:35:18.753" end="00:35:22.200" style="s2">And this is the anterior mitral leaflet,</p>
<p begin="00:35:22.200" end="00:35:26.367" style="s2">so this is systolic anterior<br />movement of the mitral leaflet.</p>
<p begin="00:35:29.242" end="00:35:30.764" style="s2">And this patient has</p>
<p begin="00:35:30.764" end="00:35:34.514" style="s2">hypertrophic obstructive<br />cardiomyopathy, ....</p>
<p begin="00:35:35.851" end="00:35:37.802" style="s2">And the further you diurese this patient,</p>
<p begin="00:35:37.802" end="00:35:42.227" style="s2">the smaller his LV chamber<br />gets, the more he obstructs,</p>
<p begin="00:35:42.227" end="00:35:46.599" style="s2">and you can kill these patients<br />by over-diuresing them.</p>
<p begin="00:35:46.599" end="00:35:49.347" style="s2">He needs some volume and his heart to</p>
<p begin="00:35:49.347" end="00:35:52.097" style="s2">be slowed down here a little bit.</p>
<p begin="00:35:55.159" end="00:35:59.794" style="s2">So heart failure, super common,<br />COPD, equally as common,</p>
<p begin="00:35:59.794" end="00:36:01.297" style="s2">for us as Hospitalists.</p>
<p begin="00:36:01.297" end="00:36:05.327" style="s2">And the combination of those<br />two is always a part of</p>
<p begin="00:36:05.327" end="00:36:06.980" style="s2">our daily lives.</p>
<p begin="00:36:06.980" end="00:36:10.184" style="s2">Sorting the two out, is this<br />patient short of breath today?</p>
<p begin="00:36:10.184" end="00:36:13.356" style="s2">He comes in with a little<br />cough, a little bit of edema,</p>
<p begin="00:36:13.356" end="00:36:15.735" style="s2">feeling a little more short of breath.</p>
<p begin="00:36:15.735" end="00:36:17.873" style="s2">Is is because of his heart failure,</p>
<p begin="00:36:17.873" end="00:36:21.073" style="s2">some diastolic disfunction<br />and an EF in the 40s?</p>
<p begin="00:36:21.073" end="00:36:23.442" style="s2">Or is it because of his COPD?</p>
<p begin="00:36:23.442" end="00:36:27.571" style="s2">And teasing that out<br />can be really difficult.</p>
<p begin="00:36:27.571" end="00:36:30.111" style="s2">Labs don't give us a ton of<br />information all the time,</p>
<p begin="00:36:30.111" end="00:36:32.250" style="s2">they can kind of leave<br />us in the gray land of</p>
<p begin="00:36:32.250" end="00:36:35.164" style="s2">a pretty big differential<br />diagnosis in these patients.</p>
<p begin="00:36:35.164" end="00:36:37.266" style="s2">And the way we treat this typically is</p>
<p begin="00:36:37.266" end="00:36:41.016" style="s2">we give them antibiotics<br />for their pneumonia,</p>
<p begin="00:36:41.958" end="00:36:46.641" style="s2">we rule out Pneumo and PE,<br />we treat their COPD with</p>
<p begin="00:36:46.641" end="00:36:48.835" style="s2">some steroids and some NEBs,</p>
<p begin="00:36:48.835" end="00:36:51.376" style="s2">and then we treat the possibility<br />of some heart failure or</p>
<p begin="00:36:51.376" end="00:36:53.627" style="s2">that interstitial markings on the</p>
<p begin="00:36:53.627" end="00:36:55.352" style="s2">chest x-ray with diuretics.</p>
<p begin="00:36:55.352" end="00:36:57.189" style="s2">And they usually get better,</p>
<p begin="00:36:57.189" end="00:36:58.764" style="s2">because we've treated everything.</p>
<p begin="00:36:58.764" end="00:37:00.542" style="s2">But once again, we can do this a</p>
<p begin="00:37:00.542" end="00:37:02.217" style="s2">little more elegantly with ultrasound.</p>
<p begin="00:37:02.217" end="00:37:04.987" style="s2">So let's take a look at<br />this guy in this example.</p>
<p begin="00:37:04.987" end="00:37:07.571" style="s2">He has a terrible ejection fraction,</p>
<p begin="00:37:07.571" end="00:37:10.231" style="s2">a severely reduced LV systolic function,</p>
<p begin="00:37:10.231" end="00:37:12.481" style="s2">he's got a big left atrium.</p>
<p begin="00:37:13.840" end="00:37:15.885" style="s2">He has an inferior vena<br />cava consistent with</p>
<p begin="00:37:15.885" end="00:37:17.911" style="s2">elevated right sided pressures,</p>
<p begin="00:37:17.911" end="00:37:21.686" style="s2">along with small bilateral<br />pleural effusions,</p>
<p begin="00:37:21.686" end="00:37:24.762" style="s2">and then his right upper,<br />left upper, left lower,</p>
<p begin="00:37:24.762" end="00:37:28.512" style="s2">and right lower lung<br />fields all have b-lines.</p>
<p begin="00:37:29.482" end="00:37:31.669" style="s2">So a diffuse interstitial<br />bilateral pattern with</p>
<p begin="00:37:31.669" end="00:37:34.284" style="s2">elevated pressures, pleural effusions,</p>
<p begin="00:37:34.284" end="00:37:38.406" style="s2">and a heart that looks like<br />systolic heart failure.</p>
<p begin="00:37:38.406" end="00:37:42.323" style="s2">And this is heart failure,<br />and needs diuretics.</p>
<p begin="00:37:43.572" end="00:37:45.205" style="s2">Alright, let's take<br />him on a different day,</p>
<p begin="00:37:45.205" end="00:37:46.925" style="s2">where he's got the same heart,</p>
<p begin="00:37:46.925" end="00:37:49.041" style="s2">but today he's got a<br />flat inferior vena cava,</p>
<p begin="00:37:49.041" end="00:37:51.431" style="s2">because he's been sick for about a week.</p>
<p begin="00:37:51.431" end="00:37:55.336" style="s2">He has normal lungs in his<br />left upper, left lower,</p>
<p begin="00:37:55.336" end="00:37:57.227" style="s2">and right upper fields.</p>
<p begin="00:37:57.227" end="00:38:00.824" style="s2">But in his right lower lobe,<br />he's got consolidation with</p>
<p begin="00:38:00.824" end="00:38:03.649" style="s2">a small pleural effusion,</p>
<p begin="00:38:03.649" end="00:38:06.991" style="s2">and he's got dynamic air bronchograms.</p>
<p begin="00:38:06.991" end="00:38:09.311" style="s2">Here's a closer view of his<br />dynamic air bronchograms in</p>
<p begin="00:38:09.311" end="00:38:11.478" style="s2">a consolidated lower lobe.</p>
<p begin="00:38:12.901" end="00:38:16.650" style="s2">And he has a low bar pneumonia today.</p>
<p begin="00:38:16.650" end="00:38:20.274" style="s2">He is volume depleted, intravascularly,</p>
<p begin="00:38:20.274" end="00:38:22.678" style="s2">with the flat inferior vena cava.</p>
<p begin="00:38:22.678" end="00:38:26.017" style="s2">And diureses in this guy<br />today in only gonna harm him.</p>
<p begin="00:38:26.017" end="00:38:28.240" style="s2">And this guy needs antibiotics and</p>
<p begin="00:38:28.240" end="00:38:32.279" style="s2">maybe some COPD medications<br />if he's exacerbated.</p>
<p begin="00:38:32.279" end="00:38:35.646" style="s2">But clearly does not need diuretics,</p>
<p begin="00:38:35.646" end="00:38:39.063" style="s2">because he does not have pulmonary edema.</p>
<p begin="00:38:40.414" end="00:38:42.885" style="s2">And one more day, kind of a more</p>
<p begin="00:38:42.885" end="00:38:45.192" style="s2">typical IVC for someone with COPD,</p>
<p begin="00:38:45.192" end="00:38:48.781" style="s2">and some elevated right<br />sided pressures, maybe.</p>
<p begin="00:38:48.781" end="00:38:51.700" style="s2">He's got the same, normal, terrible heart,</p>
<p begin="00:38:51.700" end="00:38:54.556" style="s2">but he has clean lungs<br />everywhere you look.</p>
<p begin="00:38:54.556" end="00:38:57.688" style="s2">And there's no way to<br />be short of breath from</p>
<p begin="00:38:57.688" end="00:39:01.844" style="s2">pulmonary edema without b-lines<br />on your lung ultrasound.</p>
<p begin="00:39:01.844" end="00:39:05.470" style="s2">Lung ultrasound is so sensitive<br />for interstitial processes,</p>
<p begin="00:39:05.470" end="00:39:07.772" style="s2">when they abut the pleura,</p>
<p begin="00:39:07.772" end="00:39:10.272" style="s2">like pulmonary edema does typically.</p>
<p begin="00:39:10.272" end="00:39:12.578" style="s2">This rules out that this<br />guy is clinically short of</p>
<p begin="00:39:12.578" end="00:39:15.052" style="s2">breath from pulmonary edema today,</p>
<p begin="00:39:15.052" end="00:39:17.226" style="s2">and this is just his COPD.</p>
<p begin="00:39:17.226" end="00:39:19.186" style="s2">Despite the couple crackles,</p>
<p begin="00:39:19.186" end="00:39:22.347" style="s2">despite indeterminate<br />chest x-ray, despite the</p>
<p begin="00:39:22.347" end="00:39:24.505" style="s2">BMP that's in the middle ground,</p>
<p begin="00:39:24.505" end="00:39:28.672" style="s2">this guy is not short of<br />breath from pulmonary edema.</p>
<p begin="00:39:29.728" end="00:39:32.513" style="s2">So we get very used to<br />seeing CHF and COPD and</p>
<p begin="00:39:32.513" end="00:39:35.245" style="s2">kind of have a reflex of treating it.</p>
<p begin="00:39:35.245" end="00:39:38.026" style="s2">This is an example where a tool with</p>
<p begin="00:39:38.026" end="00:39:40.743" style="s2">a little better diagnostic<br />ability sometimes is helpful,</p>
<p begin="00:39:40.743" end="00:39:44.093" style="s2">when we get into those<br />routines as Hospitalists.</p>
<p begin="00:39:44.093" end="00:39:47.081" style="s2">A 62 year old guy who says,<br />"My COPD is going crazy because</p>
<p begin="00:39:47.081" end="00:39:48.840" style="s2">"I ran out of meds.</p>
<p begin="00:39:48.840" end="00:39:50.674" style="s2">"Treat me for my COPD exacerbation.".</p>
<p begin="00:39:50.674" end="00:39:53.945" style="s2">You get a peak at his heart<br />and his left ventricle.</p>
<p begin="00:39:53.945" end="00:39:57.405" style="s2">This is kind of an off<br />axis apical four chamber,</p>
<p begin="00:39:57.405" end="00:39:58.844" style="s2">two chamber view.</p>
<p begin="00:39:58.844" end="00:40:01.274" style="s2">Here's his left ventricle,<br />which is hyperdynamic.</p>
<p begin="00:40:01.274" end="00:40:04.605" style="s2">His left atrium is very large and</p>
<p begin="00:40:04.605" end="00:40:08.772" style="s2">something doesn't look<br />right with his mitral valve.</p>
<p begin="00:40:09.665" end="00:40:11.698" style="s2">So you put color flow on it and he's got</p>
<p begin="00:40:11.698" end="00:40:15.158" style="s2">wide open mitral regurge, so severe MR.</p>
<p begin="00:40:15.158" end="00:40:17.593" style="s2">And you get another view<br />of his mitral valve,</p>
<p begin="00:40:17.593" end="00:40:20.378" style="s2">and without any color on it,<br />you know this mitral valve is</p>
<p begin="00:40:20.378" end="00:40:23.395" style="s2">not normal, these leaflets do not coapt,</p>
<p begin="00:40:23.395" end="00:40:26.060" style="s2">and he's got a flail mitral leaflet here.</p>
<p begin="00:40:26.060" end="00:40:28.883" style="s2">Zoom in on it and there<br />you can see it even nicer.</p>
<p begin="00:40:28.883" end="00:40:31.237" style="s2">They just criss-cross here<br />and they don't coapt well.</p>
<p begin="00:40:31.237" end="00:40:34.959" style="s2">So what sounds like COPD<br />from a patient standpoint,</p>
<p begin="00:40:34.959" end="00:40:36.979" style="s2">you should be able to hear this murmur.</p>
<p begin="00:40:36.979" end="00:40:39.727" style="s2">But we get very into the<br />routine of treating things that</p>
<p begin="00:40:39.727" end="00:40:43.006" style="s2">are common to us, and this<br />can help us avoid that</p>
<p begin="00:40:43.006" end="00:40:44.589" style="s2">pit fall sometimes.</p>
<p begin="00:40:47.564" end="00:40:50.332" style="s2">Let's take a little different view now,</p>
<p begin="00:40:50.332" end="00:40:52.165" style="s2">move out of the heart and the lungs,</p>
<p begin="00:40:52.165" end="00:40:54.597" style="s2">and let's go to the belly,<br />the other high yield area,</p>
<p begin="00:40:54.597" end="00:40:56.538" style="s2">and take acute renal<br />failure that comes in the</p>
<p begin="00:40:56.538" end="00:40:59.426" style="s2">middle of the night, and we<br />admit it as Hospitalists.</p>
<p begin="00:40:59.426" end="00:41:02.285" style="s2">New renal failure and<br />the differential there,</p>
<p begin="00:41:02.285" end="00:41:04.491" style="s2">as everyone is well familiar with,</p>
<p begin="00:41:04.491" end="00:41:07.300" style="s2">is pre-renal, post-renal,<br />and intrinsic renal.</p>
<p begin="00:41:07.300" end="00:41:10.653" style="s2">And this guy's got a reason,<br />possibly, for all of these.</p>
<p begin="00:41:10.653" end="00:41:13.543" style="s2">And our typical approach<br />to these people is</p>
<p begin="00:41:13.543" end="00:41:17.178" style="s2">let's assess them for pre-renal,<br />give them some fluids.</p>
<p begin="00:41:17.178" end="00:41:20.457" style="s2">Let's make sure that this<br />70 year old guy doesn't have</p>
<p begin="00:41:20.457" end="00:41:22.545" style="s2">a big prostate with post-obstructive or</p>
<p begin="00:41:22.545" end="00:41:26.971" style="s2">with post-renal failure,<br />and put a Foley in him and</p>
<p begin="00:41:26.971" end="00:41:30.054" style="s2">get a formal kidney ultrasound in the</p>
<p begin="00:41:30.984" end="00:41:33.036" style="s2">morning to reload hydro.</p>
<p begin="00:41:33.036" end="00:41:35.355" style="s2">And then if neither of those fix things,</p>
<p begin="00:41:35.355" end="00:41:38.187" style="s2">we can go down the intrinsic renal route.</p>
<p begin="00:41:38.187" end="00:41:39.934" style="s2">So we put a lot of Foley's into</p>
<p begin="00:41:39.934" end="00:41:42.311" style="s2">people with acute renal failure.</p>
<p begin="00:41:42.311" end="00:41:45.181" style="s2">This Foley that goes into<br />this bladder here doesn't</p>
<p begin="00:41:45.181" end="00:41:46.848" style="s2">do a lot of benefit.</p>
<p begin="00:41:48.002" end="00:41:51.485" style="s2">This is an empty bladder, and<br />this is how a bladder should</p>
<p begin="00:41:51.485" end="00:41:53.784" style="s2">look after it has a Foley in it.</p>
<p begin="00:41:53.784" end="00:41:57.455" style="s2">But we try to avoid putting<br />Foley's into this bladder,</p>
<p begin="00:41:57.455" end="00:41:59.671" style="s2">because it's not helping anything in the</p>
<p begin="00:41:59.671" end="00:42:01.879" style="s2">acute renal failure patient.</p>
<p begin="00:42:01.879" end="00:42:04.248" style="s2">It's just an unnecessary<br />Foley, potentially.</p>
<p begin="00:42:04.248" end="00:42:06.893" style="s2">This is the Foley that's in place in a</p>
<p begin="00:42:06.893" end="00:42:10.247" style="s2">distended bladder with probably a liter or</p>
<p begin="00:42:10.247" end="00:42:11.762" style="s2">so of fluid in it.</p>
<p begin="00:42:11.762" end="00:42:13.996" style="s2">And this Foley is not<br />draining, because of the</p>
<p begin="00:42:13.996" end="00:42:18.021" style="s2">hyperechoic clot that<br />is in this bladder here.</p>
<p begin="00:42:18.021" end="00:42:20.777" style="s2">So this is a Foley that's in place.</p>
<p begin="00:42:20.777" end="00:42:23.254" style="s2">We can use the ultrasound<br />for Foley troubleshooting,</p>
<p begin="00:42:23.254" end="00:42:26.400" style="s2">and to avoid some Foleys<br />that we don't need.</p>
<p begin="00:42:26.400" end="00:42:30.413" style="s2">So let's take that differential<br />and use ultrasound to</p>
<p begin="00:42:30.413" end="00:42:32.615" style="s2">do this a little more elegantly.</p>
<p begin="00:42:32.615" end="00:42:34.785" style="s2">Let's look at the inferior vena cava,</p>
<p begin="00:42:34.785" end="00:42:37.368" style="s2">and the person who comes in<br />with acute kidney injury.</p>
<p begin="00:42:37.368" end="00:42:40.722" style="s2">This guy's got a flat,<br />dehydrated looking IVC,</p>
<p begin="00:42:40.722" end="00:42:43.911" style="s2">and has a nice, normal<br />looking kidney here.</p>
<p begin="00:42:43.911" end="00:42:47.042" style="s2">So this is pre-renal<br />to start with at least.</p>
<p begin="00:42:47.042" end="00:42:49.576" style="s2">Let's look at the middle picture here.</p>
<p begin="00:42:49.576" end="00:42:51.810" style="s2">So we've got a big, distended bladder,</p>
<p begin="00:42:51.810" end="00:42:54.098" style="s2">over a liter of fluid in this bladder.</p>
<p begin="00:42:54.098" end="00:42:55.815" style="s2">And you look at the kidneys,</p>
<p begin="00:42:55.815" end="00:42:58.707" style="s2">and he's got these little<br />black fingers starting to</p>
<p begin="00:42:58.707" end="00:43:01.546" style="s2">project out of the center of<br />the kidney, and this is hydro.</p>
<p begin="00:43:01.546" end="00:43:03.815" style="s2">It's present on both sides.</p>
<p begin="00:43:03.815" end="00:43:07.125" style="s2">So he's got a big bladder<br />with bilateral hydro.</p>
<p begin="00:43:07.125" end="00:43:10.023" style="s2">And this guy in this example<br />has a big prostate as well.</p>
<p begin="00:43:10.023" end="00:43:14.119" style="s2">This is the patient that<br />needs a Foley put in.</p>
<p begin="00:43:14.119" end="00:43:17.012" style="s2">Finally, this guy on the right here,</p>
<p begin="00:43:17.012" end="00:43:20.025" style="s2">you look at the bladder, the<br />bladder is not distended.</p>
<p begin="00:43:20.025" end="00:43:23.071" style="s2">And you look at his inferior vena cava,</p>
<p begin="00:43:23.071" end="00:43:25.792" style="s2">goes along with a nice, normal<br />central venous pressure.</p>
<p begin="00:43:25.792" end="00:43:28.047" style="s2">So probably not super dry.</p>
<p begin="00:43:28.047" end="00:43:30.446" style="s2">And you look at his kidneys and he's got</p>
<p begin="00:43:30.446" end="00:43:32.270" style="s2">normal looking kidneys.</p>
<p begin="00:43:32.270" end="00:43:34.301" style="s2">And this is the tougher, intrinsic renal.</p>
<p begin="00:43:34.301" end="00:43:36.945" style="s2">But this guy doesn't need<br />the empiric Foley because</p>
<p begin="00:43:36.945" end="00:43:39.438" style="s2">he doesn't have a bunch<br />of urine in his bladder.</p>
<p begin="00:43:39.438" end="00:43:42.667" style="s2">And that helps stratify which<br />one of these three arms are</p>
<p begin="00:43:42.667" end="00:43:46.650" style="s2">you in, very quickly in<br />the middle of the night.</p>
<p begin="00:43:46.650" end="00:43:50.080" style="s2">So those are some big hitters<br />for us as Hospitalists.</p>
<p begin="00:43:50.080" end="00:43:52.398" style="s2">Heart, lungs, some of the belly stuff,</p>
<p begin="00:43:52.398" end="00:43:54.040" style="s2">kidneys and bladder.</p>
<p begin="00:43:54.040" end="00:43:55.955" style="s2">And the other big area for us as</p>
<p begin="00:43:55.955" end="00:43:58.099" style="s2">Hospitalists I procedural guidance.</p>
<p begin="00:43:58.099" end="00:44:00.363" style="s2">So we're gonna jump a little<br />bit and talk a little bit about</p>
<p begin="00:44:00.363" end="00:44:03.557" style="s2">what has become really best practice,</p>
<p begin="00:44:03.557" end="00:44:06.727" style="s2">as a very evidence based area<br />of point of care ultrasound.</p>
<p begin="00:44:06.727" end="00:44:09.544" style="s2">It is easily learned by people who have</p>
<p begin="00:44:09.544" end="00:44:12.447" style="s2">done central lines or thoras<br />for 20 years without it,</p>
<p begin="00:44:12.447" end="00:44:15.070" style="s2">as well as new residents in training.</p>
<p begin="00:44:15.070" end="00:44:17.824" style="s2">And we're not gonna go way<br />into the literature on this,</p>
<p begin="00:44:17.824" end="00:44:19.957" style="s2">it's extremely evidence based.</p>
<p begin="00:44:19.957" end="00:44:21.897" style="s2">We're gonna talk about a few nuances about</p>
<p begin="00:44:21.897" end="00:44:24.980" style="s2">procedural guidance for Hospitalists.</p>
<p begin="00:44:25.853" end="00:44:29.206" style="s2">We do about 500 procedures a<br />year on the procedure team,</p>
<p begin="00:44:29.206" end="00:44:32.920" style="s2">and a pretty nice mix here<br />of what Hospitalists do in</p>
<p begin="00:44:32.920" end="00:44:35.612" style="s2">their clinical practice.</p>
<p begin="00:44:35.612" end="00:44:38.440" style="s2">The key here is that if you<br />look at everything we do</p>
<p begin="00:44:38.440" end="00:44:41.918" style="s2">on the procedure team, procedure wise,</p>
<p begin="00:44:41.918" end="00:44:44.797" style="s2">this is the total volume of procedures.</p>
<p begin="00:44:44.797" end="00:44:48.195" style="s2">And the vast majority of<br />these we do with ultrasound.</p>
<p begin="00:44:48.195" end="00:44:51.386" style="s2">If you look at what we do<br />not do with ultrasound,</p>
<p begin="00:44:51.386" end="00:44:53.234" style="s2">this is what's left.</p>
<p begin="00:44:53.234" end="00:44:57.414" style="s2">We do over half of our<br />lines with ultrasound,</p>
<p begin="00:44:57.414" end="00:45:00.421" style="s2">we do some very difficult<br />third or fourth tri art lines.</p>
<p begin="00:45:00.421" end="00:45:03.900" style="s2">We don't do any paras without ultrasound.</p>
<p begin="00:45:03.900" end="00:45:07.193" style="s2">We don't do any central<br />lines, except for the rare,</p>
<p begin="00:45:07.193" end="00:45:10.723" style="s2">occasional resuscitation coding line.</p>
<p begin="00:45:10.723" end="00:45:12.444" style="s2">We don't need them for skin biopsies,</p>
<p begin="00:45:12.444" end="00:45:14.881" style="s2">we need them for almost half of our LPs.</p>
<p begin="00:45:14.881" end="00:45:18.442" style="s2">And we do a lot of LPs on<br />the obese, vented patient in</p>
<p begin="00:45:18.442" end="00:45:21.069" style="s2">the Intensive Care Unit that can't move to</p>
<p begin="00:45:21.069" end="00:45:24.573" style="s2">interventional radiology for floral.</p>
<p begin="00:45:24.573" end="00:45:27.321" style="s2">We use it on a lot of joints.</p>
<p begin="00:45:27.321" end="00:45:29.264" style="s2">Anytime we're gonna poke an abcess or</p>
<p begin="00:45:29.264" end="00:45:32.143" style="s2">what we think is an abcess and<br />drain it, we use ultrasound.</p>
<p begin="00:45:32.143" end="00:45:34.253" style="s2">So we use ultrasound for the</p>
<p begin="00:45:34.253" end="00:45:37.214" style="s2">vast majority of our procedures.</p>
<p begin="00:45:37.214" end="00:45:39.593" style="s2">Central lines have become<br />standard of care with ultrasound,</p>
<p begin="00:45:39.593" end="00:45:44.565" style="s2">and we use it, and here's a<br />little additional piece we do</p>
<p begin="00:45:44.565" end="00:45:46.955" style="s2">in the patient who's unstable.</p>
<p begin="00:45:46.955" end="00:45:49.639" style="s2">We'll look at their ipsilateral chest for</p>
<p begin="00:45:49.639" end="00:45:52.749" style="s2">lung sliding before we<br />put a central line in,</p>
<p begin="00:45:52.749" end="00:45:55.299" style="s2">which is shown up at the<br />top here, number one.</p>
<p begin="00:45:55.299" end="00:45:58.336" style="s2">Some nice lung sliding, which<br />rules out pneumothorax on that</p>
<p begin="00:45:58.336" end="00:46:02.429" style="s2">side, and tells us that the<br />lung is sliding as well.</p>
<p begin="00:46:02.429" end="00:46:05.403" style="s2">We put the needle in<br />with ultrasound guidance,</p>
<p begin="00:46:05.403" end="00:46:09.306" style="s2">watch it into the vessel,<br />and then through that,</p>
<p begin="00:46:09.306" end="00:46:11.679" style="s2">we thread the wire,<br />and we confirm that the</p>
<p begin="00:46:11.679" end="00:46:14.762" style="s2">wire is heading caudad within the IJ.</p>
<p begin="00:46:17.707" end="00:46:21.074" style="s2">The next step is we get a<br />subside point view after the</p>
<p begin="00:46:21.074" end="00:46:23.910" style="s2">catheter is in place, or an apical view.</p>
<p begin="00:46:23.910" end="00:46:26.003" style="s2">And right here, around this blue,</p>
<p begin="00:46:26.003" end="00:46:29.370" style="s2">is where the SVC enters the right atrium.</p>
<p begin="00:46:29.370" end="00:46:32.322" style="s2">This patient has a pace<br />maker wire going from</p>
<p begin="00:46:32.322" end="00:46:34.531" style="s2">his right atrium into<br />his right ventricle here,</p>
<p begin="00:46:34.531" end="00:46:37.334" style="s2">which is that hyperechoic line.</p>
<p begin="00:46:37.334" end="00:46:40.422" style="s2">But if you watch right here,<br />we take a saline flush and</p>
<p begin="00:46:40.422" end="00:46:43.588" style="s2">we flush it through the distal<br />port on the central line.</p>
<p begin="00:46:43.588" end="00:46:47.831" style="s2">And you'll see a little stream<br />on bubbles come right out of</p>
<p begin="00:46:47.831" end="00:46:51.331" style="s2">here right now, and then pass into the RV.</p>
<p begin="00:46:52.518" end="00:46:54.652" style="s2">We don't see the tip of<br />the central line here,</p>
<p begin="00:46:54.652" end="00:46:57.113" style="s2">so this central line is<br />very close to the RA,</p>
<p begin="00:46:57.113" end="00:47:00.255" style="s2">but not in the RA, and it's in the SVC.</p>
<p begin="00:47:00.255" end="00:47:03.327" style="s2">And we use this line<br />immediately at the bedside in</p>
<p begin="00:47:03.327" end="00:47:06.384" style="s2">someone, if we need to start<br />pressers without waiting for</p>
<p begin="00:47:06.384" end="00:47:07.551" style="s2">a chest x-ray.</p>
<p begin="00:47:09.159" end="00:47:12.685" style="s2">Finally, we write our<br />notes and we clean up and</p>
<p begin="00:47:12.685" end="00:47:15.519" style="s2">we come back after and we<br />look at the same side of the</p>
<p begin="00:47:15.519" end="00:47:18.052" style="s2">chest anteriorly, to make sure that</p>
<p begin="00:47:18.052" end="00:47:20.608" style="s2">there's no pneumothorax present.</p>
<p begin="00:47:20.608" end="00:47:24.488" style="s2">And that's how we expedite<br />using that central line,</p>
<p begin="00:47:24.488" end="00:47:27.211" style="s2">and do a better job of<br />ruling out pneumothorax than</p>
<p begin="00:47:27.211" end="00:47:29.378" style="s2">a portable chest x-ray in the</p>
<p begin="00:47:29.378" end="00:47:32.461" style="s2">semi-upright ICU patient on the vent.</p>
<p begin="00:47:34.709" end="00:47:36.455" style="s2">Thoras, we use all the time.</p>
<p begin="00:47:36.455" end="00:47:38.459" style="s2">We have a similar approach to</p>
<p begin="00:47:38.459" end="00:47:40.467" style="s2">making sure there's no<br />pneumothorax prior to.</p>
<p begin="00:47:40.467" end="00:47:43.461" style="s2">With lung sliding, we use ultrasound to</p>
<p begin="00:47:43.461" end="00:47:46.878" style="s2">guide our exact enter space, entry point.</p>
<p begin="00:47:49.742" end="00:47:51.951" style="s2">There's a nice ateletatic<br />lung tip again with</p>
<p begin="00:47:51.951" end="00:47:56.321" style="s2">a free flowing pleural<br />effusion, no loculations here to</p>
<p begin="00:47:56.321" end="00:47:59.112" style="s2">change what we're gonna do.</p>
<p begin="00:47:59.112" end="00:48:02.456" style="s2">We drain, and then after, we look again.</p>
<p begin="00:48:02.456" end="00:48:07.172" style="s2">Here is a zoomed in view<br />of abdominal and lung.</p>
<p begin="00:48:07.172" end="00:48:08.699" style="s2">This is a nice curtain sign with</p>
<p begin="00:48:08.699" end="00:48:11.613" style="s2">a completely dry pleural space here,</p>
<p begin="00:48:11.613" end="00:48:15.246" style="s2">and a re=expanded lower lobe<br />after the thoracentesis.</p>
<p begin="00:48:15.246" end="00:48:17.966" style="s2">Over here, we have a different picture.</p>
<p begin="00:48:17.966" end="00:48:19.892" style="s2">We've got some pleura fluid left.</p>
<p begin="00:48:19.892" end="00:48:22.389" style="s2">This guy had a bunch of pressure<br />and coughing towards the</p>
<p begin="00:48:22.389" end="00:48:24.193" style="s2">end of the procedure.</p>
<p begin="00:48:24.193" end="00:48:27.204" style="s2">And the reason probably is<br />that his lower lobe here</p>
<p begin="00:48:27.204" end="00:48:30.315" style="s2">didn't expand after the fluid drainage,</p>
<p begin="00:48:30.315" end="00:48:33.062" style="s2">and he's gonna reaccumulate<br />that pleural effusion unless the</p>
<p begin="00:48:33.062" end="00:48:37.145" style="s2">mucus plug that is in that<br />lower love is removed.</p>
<p begin="00:48:38.117" end="00:48:40.807" style="s2">And then finally, we come<br />back and we make sure there is</p>
<p begin="00:48:40.807" end="00:48:44.974" style="s2">no new pneumothorax present<br />after the procedure as well.</p>
<p begin="00:48:47.887" end="00:48:51.068" style="s2">So we do ultrasound in a lot<br />of procedural settings to</p>
<p begin="00:48:51.068" end="00:48:54.818" style="s2">speed up or replace the<br />portable chest x-ray.</p>
<p begin="00:48:56.418" end="00:48:59.874" style="s2">And the portable chest<br />x-ray gets some use still,</p>
<p begin="00:48:59.874" end="00:49:02.185" style="s2">but is decreasing in its value.</p>
<p begin="00:49:02.185" end="00:49:03.928" style="s2">It's great for big questions,</p>
<p begin="00:49:03.928" end="00:49:06.141" style="s2">but here in this heart failure looking,</p>
<p begin="00:49:06.141" end="00:49:08.492" style="s2">some pleural effusion, some interstitial,</p>
<p begin="00:49:08.492" end="00:49:10.707" style="s2">maybe atelectasis sort of read,</p>
<p begin="00:49:10.707" end="00:49:13.276" style="s2">this could be a lot of things.</p>
<p begin="00:49:13.276" end="00:49:15.025" style="s2">And we use ultrasound not only for</p>
<p begin="00:49:15.025" end="00:49:17.641" style="s2">procedural replacement<br />of portable chest x-rays,</p>
<p begin="00:49:17.641" end="00:49:21.063" style="s2">but also to help<br />differentiate what is this?</p>
<p begin="00:49:21.063" end="00:49:25.988" style="s2">Is it a big pleural effusion<br />with some atelectasis?</p>
<p begin="00:49:25.988" end="00:49:29.123" style="s2">Is it a consolidated pneumonia with</p>
<p begin="00:49:29.123" end="00:49:31.860" style="s2">dynamic air bronchograms?</p>
<p begin="00:49:31.860" end="00:49:33.193" style="s2">As you see here.</p>
<p begin="00:49:35.207" end="00:49:38.632" style="s2">Here is another dynamic air<br />bronchogram consolidation,</p>
<p begin="00:49:38.632" end="00:49:40.933" style="s2">with a small pleural effusion.</p>
<p begin="00:49:40.933" end="00:49:45.769" style="s2">Or is it a completely<br />atelectatic lower lobe with</p>
<p begin="00:49:45.769" end="00:49:47.693" style="s2">a smallish effusion?</p>
<p begin="00:49:47.693" end="00:49:50.196" style="s2">And this is a picture<br />of a mucus plug here.</p>
<p begin="00:49:50.196" end="00:49:53.292" style="s2">So all four of those are very<br />different clinical scenarios</p>
<p begin="00:49:53.292" end="00:49:57.459" style="s2">with portable chest x-rays<br />that can look very similar.</p>
<p begin="00:49:59.039" end="00:50:03.122" style="s2">The chest x-ray itself<br />also has some benefit when</p>
<p begin="00:50:04.409" end="00:50:06.521" style="s2">we add ultrasound to it.</p>
<p begin="00:50:06.521" end="00:50:08.863" style="s2">Here is a pleural effusion<br />that's being treated as</p>
<p begin="00:50:08.863" end="00:50:10.744" style="s2">a heart failure pleural<br />effusion based on the</p>
<p begin="00:50:10.744" end="00:50:13.659" style="s2">chest x-ray and trying to diurese.</p>
<p begin="00:50:13.659" end="00:50:15.840" style="s2">When we put the ultrasound probe on it,</p>
<p begin="00:50:15.840" end="00:50:17.584" style="s2">there is clearly more here than just</p>
<p begin="00:50:17.584" end="00:50:19.671" style="s2">a transudative heart failure effusion.</p>
<p begin="00:50:19.671" end="00:50:23.838" style="s2">We have tumor all over the<br />diaphragm and over the lung here.</p>
<p begin="00:50:24.907" end="00:50:27.740" style="s2">So this is not just heart failure.</p>
<p begin="00:50:29.756" end="00:50:31.884" style="s2">So it helps our chest x-rays.</p>
<p begin="00:50:31.884" end="00:50:34.185" style="s2">Does it go beyond what a CT can tell us?</p>
<p begin="00:50:34.185" end="00:50:36.876" style="s2">And the answer is yes, sometimes.</p>
<p begin="00:50:36.876" end="00:50:39.322" style="s2">This is a guy with heart failure,</p>
<p begin="00:50:39.322" end="00:50:40.895" style="s2">who has a chest x-ray that has a</p>
<p begin="00:50:40.895" end="00:50:42.695" style="s2">left pleural effusion on it.</p>
<p begin="00:50:42.695" end="00:50:44.209" style="s2">And as an out-patient,</p>
<p begin="00:50:44.209" end="00:50:46.170" style="s2">he tries to get diuresed significantly.</p>
<p begin="00:50:46.170" end="00:50:48.726" style="s2">It doesn't get much better,<br />so they get a CT scan as an</p>
<p begin="00:50:48.726" end="00:50:51.768" style="s2">out-patient to make sure<br />he doesn't have a PE.</p>
<p begin="00:50:51.768" end="00:50:54.593" style="s2">And he has this persistent<br />atelectasis with</p>
<p begin="00:50:54.593" end="00:50:56.010" style="s2">pleural effusion.</p>
<p begin="00:50:57.356" end="00:51:01.023" style="s2">He comes in because he<br />got diuresed too far,</p>
<p begin="00:51:02.474" end="00:51:04.301" style="s2">and his left pleural effusion actually got</p>
<p begin="00:51:04.301" end="00:51:07.810" style="s2">bigger since the out-patient chest x-ray.</p>
<p begin="00:51:07.810" end="00:51:10.866" style="s2">And he's hypotensive<br />and his kidneys are dry.</p>
<p begin="00:51:10.866" end="00:51:12.797" style="s2">So we come to tap them,</p>
<p begin="00:51:12.797" end="00:51:16.254" style="s2">and here's what his ultrasound looks like.</p>
<p begin="00:51:16.254" end="00:51:20.098" style="s2">Here's the diaphragm, the<br />hypoechoic pleural effusion that</p>
<p begin="00:51:20.098" end="00:51:24.688" style="s2">has several fiber strands<br />and appears some loculations.</p>
<p begin="00:51:24.688" end="00:51:28.537" style="s2">Here's the base of the lung,<br />the lung stops right here,</p>
<p begin="00:51:28.537" end="00:51:32.704" style="s2">and this is a tumor sitting<br />on top of the diaphragm.</p>
<p begin="00:51:34.073" end="00:51:36.232" style="s2">He goes on to get biopsied,</p>
<p begin="00:51:36.232" end="00:51:39.570" style="s2">and this is a synovial sarcoma<br />in this guy's pleural space.</p>
<p begin="00:51:39.570" end="00:51:42.227" style="s2">And even in retrospect back on the CT,</p>
<p begin="00:51:42.227" end="00:51:44.493" style="s2">really hard to tease out that<br />there's anything other than</p>
<p begin="00:51:44.493" end="00:51:46.660" style="s2">atelectasis present there.</p>
<p begin="00:51:47.532" end="00:51:49.834" style="s2">So ultrasound benefits for sure with the</p>
<p begin="00:51:49.834" end="00:51:52.850" style="s2">portable chest x-ray<br />gives us more information,</p>
<p begin="00:51:52.850" end="00:51:56.600" style="s2">and sometimes even helps<br />us with the CT scan.</p>
<p begin="00:51:59.246" end="00:52:01.534" style="s2">Sometimes we are without CT<br />scans and without x-rays and</p>
<p begin="00:52:01.534" end="00:52:04.431" style="s2">the stakes are very high in those times.</p>
<p begin="00:52:04.431" end="00:52:07.922" style="s2">And ultrasound has a huge value here.</p>
<p begin="00:52:07.922" end="00:52:10.314" style="s2">So this is a guy in the<br />middle of the night,</p>
<p begin="00:52:10.314" end="00:52:13.605" style="s2">2:15 in the morning, in a<br />quaternary car center ICU,</p>
<p begin="00:52:13.605" end="00:52:17.228" style="s2">who goes into a PEA Arrest on the vent.</p>
<p begin="00:52:17.228" end="00:52:20.575" style="s2">The HNTs are really not in play here.</p>
<p begin="00:52:20.575" end="00:52:24.351" style="s2">In hospital PEA Arrest,<br />this is hypovolemic shock,</p>
<p begin="00:52:24.351" end="00:52:26.547" style="s2">maybe hemorrhagic, maybe not.</p>
<p begin="00:52:26.547" end="00:52:28.239" style="s2">This is I need a needle,</p>
<p begin="00:52:28.239" end="00:52:31.208" style="s2">this is I need a needle<br />somewhere else and some volume.</p>
<p begin="00:52:31.208" end="00:52:35.542" style="s2">This is I need some lytics, or<br />this is cardiogenic shock and</p>
<p begin="00:52:35.542" end="00:52:38.357" style="s2">pump failure, and send<br />me to your cath lab or</p>
<p begin="00:52:38.357" end="00:52:39.943" style="s2">put me on ECMO.</p>
<p begin="00:52:39.943" end="00:52:42.281" style="s2">But it's one of these five<br />areas most of the time,</p>
<p begin="00:52:42.281" end="00:52:44.162" style="s2">in house for the PEA Arrest.</p>
<p begin="00:52:44.162" end="00:52:47.627" style="s2">Very rarely is it a still heart<br />in all five of these areas.</p>
<p begin="00:52:47.627" end="00:52:50.251" style="s2">We have an intervention that<br />we can potentially fix if</p>
<p begin="00:52:50.251" end="00:52:53.084" style="s2">we identify it quick enough.</p>
<p begin="00:52:53.084" end="00:52:57.251" style="s2">So ultrasound sits right<br />next to our code carts on</p>
<p begin="00:52:58.567" end="00:53:00.261" style="s2">every floor of the hospital.</p>
<p begin="00:53:00.261" end="00:53:03.801" style="s2">And ultrasound for sure for<br />the PEA Arrest is involved in</p>
<p begin="00:53:03.801" end="00:53:05.945" style="s2">almost all of our codes.</p>
<p begin="00:53:05.945" end="00:53:07.617" style="s2">How do we do it?</p>
<p begin="00:53:07.617" end="00:53:09.798" style="s2">So you gotta be able to get a window,</p>
<p begin="00:53:09.798" end="00:53:13.247" style="s2">get a subside ... window<br />or an apical window,</p>
<p begin="00:53:13.247" end="00:53:15.244" style="s2">either between or during compressions,</p>
<p begin="00:53:15.244" end="00:53:18.025" style="s2">to try to help sort out<br />which of these five is it.</p>
<p begin="00:53:18.025" end="00:53:19.719" style="s2">And here's how you do it,</p>
<p begin="00:53:19.719" end="00:53:21.806" style="s2">in about a minute and a half, usually.</p>
<p begin="00:53:21.806" end="00:53:24.618" style="s2">Give yourself about 20<br />seconds, 15, 20 seconds,</p>
<p begin="00:53:24.618" end="00:53:27.669" style="s2">and if you see sliding bilaterally,</p>
<p begin="00:53:27.669" end="00:53:29.631" style="s2">as in the green image up top here,</p>
<p begin="00:53:29.631" end="00:53:33.772" style="s2">not pneumothorax, as is<br />demonstrated down here.</p>
<p begin="00:53:33.772" end="00:53:36.549" style="s2">You have ruled out number<br />one in your differential of</p>
<p begin="00:53:36.549" end="00:53:39.567" style="s2">five things here, in about 20 seconds.</p>
<p begin="00:53:39.567" end="00:53:41.942" style="s2">He does not need empiric chest tubes.</p>
<p begin="00:53:41.942" end="00:53:43.869" style="s2">Next take a picture of the heart,</p>
<p begin="00:53:43.869" end="00:53:46.398" style="s2">whether it's apical or the subside void or</p>
<p begin="00:53:46.398" end="00:53:48.619" style="s2">the parasternal, or whatever it is,</p>
<p begin="00:53:48.619" end="00:53:50.739" style="s2">get an image of the heart.</p>
<p begin="00:53:50.739" end="00:53:53.989" style="s2">Here's a parasternal long axis example,</p>
<p begin="00:53:55.041" end="00:53:57.708" style="s2">and this is when our patient had a big,</p>
<p begin="00:53:57.708" end="00:53:59.688" style="s2">distended right ventricle.</p>
<p begin="00:53:59.688" end="00:54:01.599" style="s2">The septum has shifted over into the</p>
<p begin="00:54:01.599" end="00:54:03.648" style="s2">underfilled left ventricle.</p>
<p begin="00:54:03.648" end="00:54:07.533" style="s2">It's not a nice, normal<br />looking heart like this.</p>
<p begin="00:54:07.533" end="00:54:12.234" style="s2">It is not tamponade, and it is<br />not sever cardiogenic shock.</p>
<p begin="00:54:12.234" end="00:54:14.530" style="s2">So you have ruled out tamponade, you have</p>
<p begin="00:54:14.530" end="00:54:17.041" style="s2">ruled out cardiogenic shock,</p>
<p begin="00:54:17.041" end="00:54:20.886" style="s2">and you are left with a couple<br />things left on your list.</p>
<p begin="00:54:20.886" end="00:54:22.867" style="s2">So you go to the inferior vena cava,</p>
<p begin="00:54:22.867" end="00:54:26.703" style="s2">and he does not have a<br />totally flat, hard to find,</p>
<p begin="00:54:26.703" end="00:54:29.689" style="s2">it takes you five minutes to<br />get there, inferior vena cava.</p>
<p begin="00:54:29.689" end="00:54:32.304" style="s2">So this is probably not hypovolemic shock.</p>
<p begin="00:54:32.304" end="00:54:35.974" style="s2">He doesn't have a normal<br />IVC, this guy's got,</p>
<p begin="00:54:35.974" end="00:54:38.027" style="s2">again in the green window, a big,</p>
<p begin="00:54:38.027" end="00:54:40.231" style="s2">distended IVC with no collapse.</p>
<p begin="00:54:40.231" end="00:54:44.398" style="s2">So you go to his groin, here<br />is his right femoral vein on</p>
<p begin="00:54:45.262" end="00:54:48.272" style="s2">the top, that collapses<br />when you push on it.</p>
<p begin="00:54:48.272" end="00:54:50.496" style="s2">And then his left femoral vein,</p>
<p begin="00:54:50.496" end="00:54:52.979" style="s2">even when the artery compresses here with</p>
<p begin="00:54:52.979" end="00:54:55.562" style="s2">compression, does not collapse.</p>
<p begin="00:54:56.617" end="00:55:00.449" style="s2">So he has a big thrombus here<br />in his left femoral vein with</p>
<p begin="00:55:00.449" end="00:55:02.866" style="s2">a big RV, elevated pressures.</p>
<p begin="00:55:04.233" end="00:55:08.012" style="s2">And this guy gets Lidex<br />pushed at 2:15 in the morning.</p>
<p begin="00:55:08.012" end="00:55:10.792" style="s2">He has five minutes of CPR with a</p>
<p begin="00:55:10.792" end="00:55:13.385" style="s2">mechanical compression device,</p>
<p begin="00:55:13.385" end="00:55:16.573" style="s2">and he leaves the hospital<br />with no neurologic deficit.</p>
<p begin="00:55:16.573" end="00:55:19.961" style="s2">That's how your PEA differential<br />in house gets done in</p>
<p begin="00:55:19.961" end="00:55:22.374" style="s2">about a minute or a minute and a half,</p>
<p begin="00:55:22.374" end="00:55:24.528" style="s2">and how you choose an intervention that is</p>
<p begin="00:55:24.528" end="00:55:27.445" style="s2">really tough to choose empirically.</p>
<p begin="00:55:29.726" end="00:55:32.930" style="s2">So of all things, this I think is going to</p>
<p begin="00:55:32.930" end="00:55:34.951" style="s2">become standard of care.</p>
<p begin="00:55:34.951" end="00:55:36.943" style="s2">That's just the right way to take care of</p>
<p begin="00:55:36.943" end="00:55:38.995" style="s2">these really sick patients in house,</p>
<p begin="00:55:38.995" end="00:55:41.444" style="s2">and they don't have the PEA Arrest.</p>
<p begin="00:55:41.444" end="00:55:43.236" style="s2">The same thing applies to the</p>
<p begin="00:55:43.236" end="00:55:46.133" style="s2">really hypotensive shocky<br />patients we see all the time.</p>
<p begin="00:55:46.133" end="00:55:49.716" style="s2">And when you've got<br />sinus tach, PEA Arrest,</p>
<p begin="00:55:51.307" end="00:55:53.738" style="s2">or narrow and fast PEA Arrest,</p>
<p begin="00:55:53.738" end="00:55:55.701" style="s2">this is where ultrasound just has to be</p>
<p begin="00:55:55.701" end="00:55:58.198" style="s2">involved in these patients.</p>
<p begin="00:55:58.198" end="00:56:01.215" style="s2">Because it is very quick<br />to give you which of</p>
<p begin="00:56:01.215" end="00:56:05.215" style="s2">these five things are in<br />play and which are not.</p>
<p begin="00:56:06.220" end="00:56:07.940" style="s2">As Hospitalists, we are at the center of</p>
<p begin="00:56:07.940" end="00:56:10.332" style="s2">some of medicine's most complex hunts.</p>
<p begin="00:56:10.332" end="00:56:12.833" style="s2">Out ability to take optimal<br />care of our patients in</p>
<p begin="00:56:12.833" end="00:56:16.775" style="s2">the hospital is directly related<br />to our diagnostic ability,</p>
<p begin="00:56:16.775" end="00:56:18.863" style="s2">which is very tightly tied to the</p>
<p begin="00:56:18.863" end="00:56:21.617" style="s2">tools we've got to go searching.</p>
<p begin="00:56:21.617" end="00:56:25.784" style="s2">MRI scans, CT scans, x-rays,<br />traditional physical exam,</p>
<p begin="00:56:26.840" end="00:56:31.288" style="s2">formal ultrasound, are all<br />crucial to optimal care.</p>
<p begin="00:56:31.288" end="00:56:34.562" style="s2">I hope that you realized<br />during this talk that</p>
<p begin="00:56:34.562" end="00:56:36.850" style="s2">the addition of point<br />of care ultrasound in</p>
<p begin="00:56:36.850" end="00:56:39.484" style="s2">the hands of the Hospitalist<br />at the bedside taking care of</p>
<p begin="00:56:39.484" end="00:56:42.737" style="s2">the patient in real time,<br />is truly additive to all of</p>
<p begin="00:56:42.737" end="00:56:45.070" style="s2">those other tools we've got.</p>
<p begin="00:56:46.778" end="00:56:51.455" style="s2">In addition, it allows us<br />to integrate findings in</p>
<p begin="00:56:51.455" end="00:56:54.669" style="s2">real time at the bedside,<br />take one piece of data and</p>
<p begin="00:56:54.669" end="00:56:57.513" style="s2">add it to everything else<br />we know about a patient.</p>
<p begin="00:56:57.513" end="00:56:59.544" style="s2">And those two things<br />together is really what</p>
<p begin="00:56:59.544" end="00:57:01.914" style="s2">our diagnostic ability is about.</p>
<p begin="00:57:01.914" end="00:57:04.935" style="s2">But if our diagnostic<br />ability was all we were as</p>
<p begin="00:57:04.935" end="00:57:09.165" style="s2">internal medicine physicians,<br />we would be missing something.</p>
<p begin="00:57:09.165" end="00:57:12.331" style="s2">A huge part of who we are<br />and what we do is about</p>
<p begin="00:57:12.331" end="00:57:15.339" style="s2">the relationship that we<br />have with our patients.</p>
<p begin="00:57:15.339" end="00:57:17.467" style="s2">And the occasional<br />argument against point of</p>
<p begin="00:57:17.467" end="00:57:20.035" style="s2">care ultrasound in the<br />hands of Hospitalists or</p>
<p begin="00:57:20.035" end="00:57:22.895" style="s2">internal medicine physicians,<br />based on the idea that</p>
<p begin="00:57:22.895" end="00:57:26.136" style="s2">replacing the stethoscope or<br />the laying on of hands with</p>
<p begin="00:57:26.136" end="00:57:30.733" style="s2">a piece of technology is<br />going to hurt that part of</p>
<p begin="00:57:30.733" end="00:57:33.368" style="s2">internal medicine, the<br />patient relationship,</p>
<p begin="00:57:33.368" end="00:57:35.493" style="s2">just does not hold water.</p>
<p begin="00:57:35.493" end="00:57:37.954" style="s2">The first time or the 600th<br />time your at the bedside with</p>
<p begin="00:57:37.954" end="00:57:40.478" style="s2">a patient and you have<br />an ultrasound there and</p>
<p begin="00:57:40.478" end="00:57:43.683" style="s2">you are demonstrating to that patient what</p>
<p begin="00:57:43.683" end="00:57:45.659" style="s2">is going on with them on the screen,</p>
<p begin="00:57:45.659" end="00:57:47.841" style="s2">you're explaining to this<br />patient heart failure while</p>
<p begin="00:57:47.841" end="00:57:49.819" style="s2">you're showing him his left ventricle,</p>
<p begin="00:57:49.819" end="00:57:52.198" style="s2">explaining why he can't<br />get up the stairs to</p>
<p begin="00:57:52.198" end="00:57:54.105" style="s2">sleep on the second floor,</p>
<p begin="00:57:54.105" end="00:57:55.786" style="s2">or why he needs to take his Lasix.</p>
<p begin="00:57:55.786" end="00:57:58.515" style="s2">If anything, the relationship<br />is improved here,</p>
<p begin="00:57:58.515" end="00:58:02.682" style="s2">because the patient understands<br />his disease far better,</p>
<p begin="00:58:03.844" end="00:58:07.134" style="s2">because you have spent time at<br />the bedside with the patient.</p>
<p begin="00:58:07.134" end="00:58:10.001" style="s2">And patient understanding of<br />disease and satisfaction is</p>
<p begin="00:58:10.001" end="00:58:12.745" style="s2">something we care a ton about,</p>
<p begin="00:58:12.745" end="00:58:14.294" style="s2">something we get rated on,</p>
<p begin="00:58:14.294" end="00:58:16.658" style="s2">but we also just care about as internists.</p>
<p begin="00:58:16.658" end="00:58:19.676" style="s2">And HCAP scores and how well<br />do you understand your disease,</p>
<p begin="00:58:19.676" end="00:58:22.138" style="s2">how well did people explain things to you?</p>
<p begin="00:58:22.138" end="00:58:26.063" style="s2">This tool at the bedside<br />nothing but helps all of</p>
<p begin="00:58:26.063" end="00:58:29.646" style="s2">those aspects of what<br />we are as internists.</p>
<p begin="00:58:33.831" end="00:58:35.813" style="s2">I will close with one<br />slide here just about</p>
<p begin="00:58:35.813" end="00:58:37.779" style="s2">what next steps you can take.</p>
<p begin="00:58:37.779" end="00:58:40.419" style="s2">And this is a huge talk by itself,</p>
<p begin="00:58:40.419" end="00:58:42.803" style="s2">but let me give you a few<br />pointers about what the</p>
<p begin="00:58:42.803" end="00:58:45.845" style="s2">first steps might be, as a<br />Hospitalists who's trying to</p>
<p begin="00:58:45.845" end="00:58:48.385" style="s2">start doing point of care ultrasound.</p>
<p begin="00:58:48.385" end="00:58:50.739" style="s2">And the key is finding others around you,</p>
<p begin="00:58:50.739" end="00:58:53.823" style="s2">whether it's in your hospital,<br />or if there are none in</p>
<p begin="00:58:53.823" end="00:58:56.302" style="s2">your hospital, in the<br />community around you.</p>
<p begin="00:58:56.302" end="00:58:59.997" style="s2">There are people, and that<br />number is growing exponentially.</p>
<p begin="00:58:59.997" end="00:59:02.970" style="s2">A good starting spot<br />is procedural guidance.</p>
<p begin="00:59:02.970" end="00:59:04.675" style="s2">It's very evidence based,</p>
<p begin="00:59:04.675" end="00:59:08.306" style="s2">it is clearly a patient safety benefit.</p>
<p begin="00:59:08.306" end="00:59:12.257" style="s2">There are cost savings to<br />procedures at the bedside,</p>
<p begin="00:59:12.257" end="00:59:15.527" style="s2">and with ultrasound<br />involved in the right hands,</p>
<p begin="00:59:15.527" end="00:59:17.564" style="s2">there is no safety difference.</p>
<p begin="00:59:17.564" end="00:59:20.268" style="s2">So this is a great spot to<br />start if you're looking for</p>
<p begin="00:59:20.268" end="00:59:24.183" style="s2">a niche to get a machine<br />and to get it introduced.</p>
<p begin="00:59:24.183" end="00:59:27.223" style="s2">Education beyond that<br />and even within that.</p>
<p begin="00:59:27.223" end="00:59:29.784" style="s2">There are tons and tons of conferences.</p>
<p begin="00:59:29.784" end="00:59:32.189" style="s2">The ACP, the American<br />College of Physicians,</p>
<p begin="00:59:32.189" end="00:59:34.269" style="s2">Society of Hospitalist Medicine,</p>
<p begin="00:59:34.269" end="00:59:36.966" style="s2">both have courses at the<br />national conference this year.</p>
<p begin="00:59:36.966" end="00:59:39.097" style="s2">ACP has the two day pre-course,</p>
<p begin="00:59:39.097" end="00:59:42.659" style="s2">American College of Emergency Physicians,</p>
<p begin="00:59:42.659" end="00:59:45.040" style="s2">the Society of Critical Care Medicine,</p>
<p begin="00:59:45.040" end="00:59:47.572" style="s2">the World Congress on Ultrasound<br />and Medical Education,</p>
<p begin="00:59:47.572" end="00:59:51.739" style="s2">these are all great national<br />forums for education.</p>
<p begin="00:59:53.064" end="00:59:56.016" style="s2">There is a ton of online<br />education as well.</p>
<p begin="00:59:56.016" end="00:59:59.368" style="s2">One of the best podcasts out there is the</p>
<p begin="00:59:59.368" end="01:00:02.677" style="s2">Ultrasound podcast, at<br />ultrasoundpodcast.com,</p>
<p begin="01:00:02.677" end="01:00:06.679" style="s2">does a great job of covering<br />all sorts of topics.</p>
<p begin="01:00:06.679" end="01:00:10.499" style="s2">Sonositeinstitute.com has<br />great resources as well.</p>
<p begin="01:00:10.499" end="01:00:12.926" style="s2">Videos and three dimensional and lots of</p>
<p begin="01:00:12.926" end="01:00:15.882" style="s2">different pieces for online learning.</p>
<p begin="01:00:15.882" end="01:00:18.238" style="s2">Doctor Chris Fox at the<br />University of California Irvine,</p>
<p begin="01:00:18.238" end="01:00:22.429" style="s2">has a huge curriculum on<br />iTunes University that's free.</p>
<p begin="01:00:22.429" end="01:00:25.057" style="s2">And then there are many eBooks of</p>
<p begin="01:00:25.057" end="01:00:28.062" style="s2">which the ultrasoundpodcast.com has two of</p>
<p begin="01:00:28.062" end="01:00:30.751" style="s2">the best free eBooks available there.</p>
<p begin="01:00:30.751" end="01:00:33.578" style="s2">And then engage in some collaboration,</p>
<p begin="01:00:33.578" end="01:00:36.325" style="s2">whether that's at national conferences,</p>
<p begin="01:00:36.325" end="01:00:39.479" style="s2">like the Society of Ultrasound<br />and Medical Education,</p>
<p begin="01:00:39.479" end="01:00:42.030" style="s2">or the American Institute<br />of Ultrasound and Medicine,</p>
<p begin="01:00:42.030" end="01:00:45.285" style="s2">those conferences are great<br />spots to collaborate and</p>
<p begin="01:00:45.285" end="01:00:47.702" style="s2">research across institutions,</p>
<p begin="01:00:48.688" end="01:00:50.830" style="s2">but also within your institution with</p>
<p begin="01:00:50.830" end="01:00:54.267" style="s2">cardiology and radiology,<br />really is a huge piece to</p>
<p begin="01:00:54.267" end="01:00:56.878" style="s2">moving this forward and breaking down the</p>
<p begin="01:00:56.878" end="01:01:00.242" style="s2">political pieces that<br />can exist when trying to</p>
<p begin="01:01:00.242" end="01:01:04.733" style="s2">start point of care<br />ultrasound as a Hospitalist.</p>
<p begin="01:01:04.733" end="01:01:06.317" style="s2">Hopefully that talk's helpful,</p>
<p begin="01:01:06.317" end="01:01:08.023" style="s2">and hopefully it gives you a little bit of</p>
<p begin="01:01:08.023" end="01:01:10.182" style="s2">excitement around point<br />of care ultrasound for</p>
<p begin="01:01:10.182" end="01:01:13.118" style="s2">the Hospitalist, but also<br />demonstrates really the</p>
<p begin="01:01:13.118" end="01:01:15.979" style="s2">imperative need for it<br />if we want to take the</p>
<p begin="01:01:15.979" end="01:01:20.153" style="s2">most efficient and best care<br />of our patients going forward.</p>
<p begin="01:01:20.153" end="01:01:21.570" style="s2">Thanks very much.</p>
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<p begin="00:00:03.051" end="00:00:04.055">- [Narrator] A better way to report</p>
<p begin="00:00:04.055" end="00:00:07.128">point-of-care ultrasound<br />data is finally here.</p>
<p begin="00:00:07.128" end="00:00:09.645">(gentle acoustic music)</p>
<p begin="00:00:09.645" end="00:00:13.327">The number one cause of<br />physician burnout is paperwork,</p>
<p begin="00:00:13.327" end="00:00:16.002">but with Sonosite<br />Synchronicity Workflow Manager,</p>
<p begin="00:00:16.002" end="00:00:18.866">everything you need is just a click away.</p>
<p begin="00:00:18.866" end="00:00:22.264">(gentle acoustic music)</p>
<p begin="00:00:22.264" end="00:00:24.166">Sonosite Synchronicity software helps you</p>
<p begin="00:00:24.166" end="00:00:26.259">minimize billing errors and enforce</p>
<p begin="00:00:26.259" end="00:00:29.587">compliance for better financial returns.</p>
<p begin="00:00:29.587" end="00:00:33.721">(gentle acoustic music)</p>
<p begin="00:00:33.721" end="00:00:35.441">Interface all point-of-care ultrasound</p>
<p begin="00:00:35.441" end="00:00:38.116">systems with one software solution,</p>
<p begin="00:00:38.116" end="00:00:41.415">so you can generate<br />reports faster than ever.</p>
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<p begin="00:00:51.553" end="00:00:53.629">Streamline credentialing<br />by automating reports</p>
<p begin="00:00:53.629" end="00:00:57.379">and running multiple<br />programs simultaneously.</p>
<p begin="00:00:58.620" end="00:01:02.010">Less screen time, more patient time.</p>
<p begin="00:01:02.010" end="00:01:05.343">Sonosite Synchronicity Workflow Manager.</p>
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<p begin="00:00:04.534" end="00:00:08.040">continues with our certified<br />pre-owned ultrasound systems.</p>
<p begin="00:00:08.040" end="00:00:09.950">We revitalize pre-owned machines</p>
<p begin="00:00:09.950" end="00:00:11.961">by fully disassembling each unit,</p>
<p begin="00:00:11.961" end="00:00:13.790">down to its individual components,</p>
<p begin="00:00:13.790" end="00:00:17.293">and performing a careful<br />inspection of each item.</p>
<p begin="00:00:17.293" end="00:00:20.930">This rigorous 10-point inspection<br />ensures the reliability</p>
<p begin="00:00:20.930" end="00:00:24.244">and precision of your ultrasound system.</p>
<p begin="00:00:24.244" end="00:00:26.519">It starts with a device history analysis,</p>
<p begin="00:00:26.519" end="00:00:28.748">including not only the records associated</p>
<p begin="00:00:28.748" end="00:00:30.525">with the original manufacturing,</p>
<p begin="00:00:30.525" end="00:00:33.751">but also any customer-reported<br />service events.</p>
<p begin="00:00:33.751" end="00:00:36.763">From there, we run a<br />comprehensive suite of tests,</p>
<p begin="00:00:36.763" end="00:00:40.529">updating software with the<br />latest patches and upgrades.</p>
<p begin="00:00:40.529" end="00:00:42.835">Wherever necessary,<br />components are swapped out</p>
<p begin="00:00:42.835" end="00:00:45.803">for the most up-to-date hardware.</p>
<p begin="00:00:45.803" end="00:00:47.605">Appropriate safety checks are performed</p>
<p begin="00:00:47.605" end="00:00:51.085">to ensure system specifications are met.</p>
<p begin="00:00:51.085" end="00:00:53.406">And finally, a certified sonographer</p>
<p begin="00:00:53.406" end="00:00:55.629">ensures the precision and reliability</p>
<p begin="00:00:55.629" end="00:00:57.701">of every ultrasound machine.</p>
<p begin="00:00:57.701" end="00:00:59.901">A comprehensive 12-month warranty</p>
<p begin="00:00:59.901" end="00:01:01.882">backs up the entire process,</p>
<p begin="00:01:01.882" end="00:01:05.361">so you can focus on<br />improving patient outcomes.</p>
<p begin="00:01:05.361" end="00:01:08.077">Sonosite pre-owned ultrasound devices.</p>
<p begin="00:01:08.077" end="00:01:11.160">Durability, reliability, ease-of-use.</p>
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